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What is Orthodoxy's view on predestination and why is it correct?
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<blockquote data-quote="josemiguel" data-source="post: 1557739" data-attributes="member: 23030"><p>What flavor of reformed are you? 4 point, 5 point, reformed Baptist or classic like presbytyrian? Which reformed confession do you submit to? I'm addressing Calvin's perspective from 500 years ago, not modern spinoffs. </p><p></p><p>Calvin's theology is Absolutely Divinely Simple, very similar to Rome. I was discussing his Christology. </p><p></p><p>Word concept fallacy. Does Sola Fide that Pelagius talk about mean the same as Sola Fide of Luther or Calvin? Obviously not. </p><p></p><p>Do you consider the human activity of faith a causal salvific activity? If yes, you are an Arminian. The classical Reformed position is that the virtue of faith is itself worthless for salvation, solely God's will is the cause of Salvation, faith being a gift from God confirming this nominalist state. </p><p></p><p>If you follow Calvin, you do not affirm the same Hypostqtic Union as we do, as your HU is monergistic. Or you disagree with Calvin and have constructed your own version of faith that has elements from Calvin.</p><p></p><p>If the OP states their position within the larger Reformed world, I'll gladly address it. In short:</p><p>Calvin's view of predestination is anathematized by the Orthodox Church because it is incompatible with our Christology and Theology. Likewise:</p><p>1 Calvin's soteriogy is nominalistic, nominalism is anathematized. </p><p>2 Calvin is monergistic, monergism is anathematized</p><p></p><p>When we say predestination, we don't mean the same concept as Calvin, just as hiw when Calvin says Sola Fide, I don't assume he means the same thing as Pelagius.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="josemiguel, post: 1557739, member: 23030"] What flavor of reformed are you? 4 point, 5 point, reformed Baptist or classic like presbytyrian? Which reformed confession do you submit to? I'm addressing Calvin's perspective from 500 years ago, not modern spinoffs. Calvin's theology is Absolutely Divinely Simple, very similar to Rome. I was discussing his Christology. Word concept fallacy. Does Sola Fide that Pelagius talk about mean the same as Sola Fide of Luther or Calvin? Obviously not. Do you consider the human activity of faith a causal salvific activity? If yes, you are an Arminian. The classical Reformed position is that the virtue of faith is itself worthless for salvation, solely God's will is the cause of Salvation, faith being a gift from God confirming this nominalist state. If you follow Calvin, you do not affirm the same Hypostqtic Union as we do, as your HU is monergistic. Or you disagree with Calvin and have constructed your own version of faith that has elements from Calvin. If the OP states their position within the larger Reformed world, I'll gladly address it. In short: Calvin's view of predestination is anathematized by the Orthodox Church because it is incompatible with our Christology and Theology. Likewise: 1 Calvin's soteriogy is nominalistic, nominalism is anathematized. 2 Calvin is monergistic, monergism is anathematized When we say predestination, we don't mean the same concept as Calvin, just as hiw when Calvin says Sola Fide, I don't assume he means the same thing as Pelagius. [/QUOTE]
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