Yes, and incredibly, the Orthodox Church knew about Calvin. There was an Orthodox priest who went to Geneva and became a follower of John Calvin, who later became an Ecumenical Patriarch.
What is wrong with Protestantism as a Christian denomination according to Orthodoxy?
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I just meant that his beliefs seemed to align pretty well with Orthodoxy. Then some users wanted to turn it into some tedious technical discussion about when was he *officially* received into Orthodoxy and how he was originally ordained in Catholicism (as if that had any bearing on his later views).
We've talked about it a little in the Protestantism vs Orthodoxy thread. Ultimately, the doctrines of both proved too great to be bridged.
I was Traditional Catholic. Attended Ave Maria Chapel in Westbury NY for a while. Fell away. Decided to come back to attending Latin Only masses. As I studied the nature of the Great Schism I was struck by the logical disconnect I would have to have to attend either a SSPV or SSPX church both are in schism from Rome. Sedevancantists also do not accept the properly elected Pope so I couldn’t go there. Then I also found while the Orthodox has added no new doctrines since the Schism, Rome has. The Filioque not in the Nicene Creed as adopted by the council at Nicaea. Original sin and purgatory added. Virgin birth of the Virgin Mary added. Papal infallibility recently added at Vatican I. So I had no choice but to embrace the unchanging faith of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith which is the Orthodox Church.
Sad. I’ll put you on my prayer list.
FYI, I had a journey extremely similar to yours.
But I came back, by the grace of God.
Something just led me to give Sedevacantism another look… like you, I dismissed it out of hand, originally, was never an option. But one day, it all just suddenly clicked and made sense. I wept tears of joy.
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Thank you. I will put you on mine.
Yes. But I didn’t use the term because to be honest my whole life until recently I thought it was a reference to the conception of Jesus. So I wanted to avoid ambiguity.
Identical conversion story. It's hard to put into words the feeling of finally being at peace where the Apostolic tradition is the lived norm and not some carefully curated exhibit locked away in the basement.
For someone who knows there is no need for words. But I can say as much as I enjoyed and loved the Tridentine Mass, that the Divine Liturgy is just so much more beautiful and inspiring. God’s presence is truly felt. Hard to describe though.
And? Luther never adopted Orthodoxy, and preached a false gospel, making everyone their own pope, as the article states. Luther was known for making wild statements of all sorts, then changing his mind later or making other statements contradictory to earlier ones. He was a highly unstable individual.
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Amen, same here. Prot to Byzantine Trad Cat to Holy Orthodoxy. There is no comparison, the Truth and the Holy Spirit lie in Holy Orthodoxy. It is the One True Church and the True Faith. I have found peace. 1000% the correct choice. I never look back to Rome, haven't once done so, not even for a second. The more distance I get from Rome, the more steeped in Holy Orthodoxy I become, the more peace I have, the more absolutely ridiculous Romanism becomes.
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Hey, you're not making any logical arguments in good faith, you are literally seeking quarrelsomeness, which is a sin, even by Roman Catholic standards. To say Luther was Orthodox is retarded. There is zero evidence he converted or intended to convert. Your earlier post was even more retarded as you demanded we prove a negative, aka that he DIDN'T convert.
Without any evidence of a baptism or chrismation into the Orthodox Church, which there is none, then Luther never was Orthodox, not even for a moment. His works, writings, and life would also align with that of NOT-Orthodox, in every way.
Why don't you disprove he didn't secretly revert back to Romanism?
You're a troll and you're sinning doubly: by seeking quarrelsomeness, and by tempting others into quarrelsomeness. For the sake of your soul, stop. Go away.
Ok now you're breaking one of the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. Wow, great example you're giving to everyone here. We should all just really listen to you as you bear false witness about all kinds of personages and their beliefs throughout history. What great, holy man you are.
Yes, apostasy is something negative, are we not to expect repentance from apostasy? The Russian Church gave countless martyrs, we agree on this statement, though we have a disagreement who the Russian Church consists of, the apostates are not included with them. Those who willingly worked with the state in the persecution of the faithful are not Orthodox. The priests/bishops who were appointed because of their loyalty to the state, are not Orthodox.
Sergius' declaration was in 1927, he and the others, and the later state appointed clergy proceeded to work with the state in the persecution of the faithful, and you want to say that everything is fine, because his successors canonized the people they had a hand in persecuting. Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm unfamiliar with the situation in Serbia, but if the situation was identical, then yes, I would follow the leaders that separated, but I'm not you, nor am I in your shoes to judge. I cannot say that a state puppet is a legitimate church. The Church must safeguard it's autonomy.
Wow, complaining about being insulted then immediately dishing out insults. How charitable and dignified of you.
Well, you're wrong on both counts, technically or even in terms of similitude. Neither did he ever enter the Church formally or officially, nor did his views "align pretty well" with Holy Orthodoxy. Many of his views are anathema to the Church and he was not even close to Holy Orthodoxy in many, many areas.
So, your post was retarded, on both fronts, be it technical or otherwise. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Traditional Catholicism is a total cope. It doesn't actually exist. It hasn't for a long, long time.
I hope I never inadvertently use the phrase "is the Pope a Catholic?" around a Sede Vacantist