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<blockquote data-quote="OrthoSerb" data-source="post: 1549716" data-attributes="member: 24061">That&#039;s not the way it works.&nbsp; Countless Patriarchs of Contantinople were heretics, we don&#039;t separate ourselves from the Church using the logic that we don&#039;t want to be associated with a priestly line of heretics.The calendar change was completely unnecessary and has proven to be catastrophic.&nbsp; That said, its not a reason for schism.&nbsp; Most canonical Orthodox are on the old calendar so its not the case that you have to go with a schismatic group to be on the old calendar.&nbsp; It&#039;s also worth mentioning that the Old Calendarists are not a singular body, they have themselves split into multiple groups.&nbsp; English is used in the Liturgy of many canonical parishes.&nbsp; Obviously you can find examples where it isn&#039;t, such as in your local area.&nbsp; But its far from the case that you need to leave the confines of the Church to find use of the English language.The way you phrase the question pre-supposes something negative from the Soviet days.&nbsp; The Russian Church gave countless martyrs during the Soviet period.&nbsp; Were there those in the Church that succumbed to temptation.&nbsp; Sure there were, just like there are in all persecutions.&nbsp; But the Church commemorates the martyrs and not the persecutors.&nbsp; You make it sound like the Russian Church is an apologist for the persecutions.&nbsp; You can tell a lot by looking at who the Saints are that the Russian Church has canonised (The Royal Family, Patriarch Tikhon etc).&nbsp; Also I&#039;m not sure how the Russian Church differs from any of the other local Churches that found themselves under a Communist Regime.&nbsp; Based on your logic I should have separated from the Serbian Patriarchate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OrthoSerb, post: 1549716, member: 24061"] That's not the way it works. Countless Patriarchs of Contantinople were heretics, we don't separate ourselves from the Church using the logic that we don't want to be associated with a priestly line of heretics. The calendar change was completely unnecessary and has proven to be catastrophic. That said, its not a reason for schism. Most canonical Orthodox are on the old calendar so its not the case that you have to go with a schismatic group to be on the old calendar. It's also worth mentioning that the Old Calendarists are not a singular body, they have themselves split into multiple groups. English is used in the Liturgy of many canonical parishes. Obviously you can find examples where it isn't, such as in your local area. But its far from the case that you need to leave the confines of the Church to find use of the English language. The way you phrase the question pre-supposes something negative from the Soviet days. The Russian Church gave countless martyrs during the Soviet period. Were there those in the Church that succumbed to temptation. Sure there were, just like there are in all persecutions. But the Church commemorates the martyrs and not the persecutors. You make it sound like the Russian Church is an apologist for the persecutions. You can tell a lot by looking at who the Saints are that the Russian Church has canonised (The Royal Family, Patriarch Tikhon etc). Also I'm not sure how the Russian Church differs from any of the other local Churches that found themselves under a Communist Regime. Based on your logic I should have separated from the Serbian Patriarchate. [/QUOTE]

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