What left wing views do you hold?

Serie A1

Woodpecker
The definition of 'left-wing views' is going to differ dramatically on whether you are in the US or Europe.

Many policies which are regarded as 'Marxism' in the United States are just plain common sense in most of Europe and increasingly much of the rest of the world:
  1. Fast, efficient and affordable public transportation, both within and between cities.
  2. Free or cheap tertiary education. (Even for many foreign nationals.)
  3. A food supply which isn't defined by the presence of agri-chemicals.
The present-day US seems to have managed the feat of combining the worst left-wing policies (antipathy towards the family and religion) with the worst that the political right has to offer (indifference and cruelty to the poor, mindless xenophobia), while at the same time becoming a second- or third-tier country on crucial quality of life measurements such as those listed at 1-3 above.

Hopefully, as more Americans acquire passports and see at least some of the rest of the world, they can pressure their governments to give them more for their tax dollars.
 

Castelnau

Kingfisher
I'll begin - I hold right side views like the majority of posters here but I have no issue with state gay marriage (once adoption rights are not attached) - it doesn't take opportunity away from traditional couples or greatly affect those outside of it.

The premise around the gay marriage debate is fake. The "Oh they just want to get married quietly in their personal lives it doesn't affect you so why do you care?"

Hasn't that been debunked with all the LGBT brainwashing now in grade school? The increasingly numerous and demonic pride parades? All the cancellings by sodomites and their allies? It does affect people outside it and OF COUSE adoption rights are going to be next. How on gods earth do you think you can be for gay marriage but not adoptions? Its as naive as thinking Hitler would be satisfied with simply annexing the Sudentenland. Its all POWER GRAB. It has very little to do with the issue of actual gay people getting married just like BLM isn't about scared, helpless black people simply not wanting to get killed by evil police or women wanting equal rights or abortion.

They always paint as sympathetic and heart tugging image as possible so our feminized society can't resist but swoon. But its always a bait and switch.
 

BasedBaker

Sparrow
Pro organic food, and pro environment without falling into the climate change trap.

I am fine with aspects of a welfare state, such as unemployment insurance, universal healthcare, and state funded pensions, but I also recognize that these can create dependency on the government and unfunded liabilities. So there needs to be balanced accounting.

In favour of strong financial regulation to reign in Wall Street greed and profligacy. Also pro labour unions, up to a point.

Anti-war unless it is purely defensive.

In favour of indigenous peoples’ rights to land and tribal self-determination. This may extend to nationalization of natural resources.

The thing is, so many of these positions used to be left wing, but now are associated with the nationalist right.
I agree with most of what you have listed. The Indians right to land and such is where I disagree.

The dependency on government can be mitigated by the makeup of the population. If we had a high trust-high functioning society we would naturally have less of the "gibs" class to leech.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I'm definitely not for gay marriage and would like to see it banned again.

Just the environmental causes - they shouldn't really have been left or right but the left has adopted them in an unhealthy political way. They have poisoned it to the extent that Trump for example often speaks out against wind turbines. If the left had not poisoned it he'd probably be for it. I don't really worry about climate change or sea level rise, but will not oppose solar or wind energy, or rewilding.
 

Elipe

Kingfisher
The definition of 'left-wing views' is going to differ dramatically on whether you are in the US or Europe.

Many policies which are regarded as 'Marxism' in the United States are just plain common sense in most of Europe and increasingly much of the rest of the world:
  1. Fast, efficient and affordable public transportation, both within and between cities.
  2. Free or cheap tertiary education. (Even for many foreign nationals.)
  3. A food supply which isn't defined by the presence of agri-chemicals.
The present-day US seems to have managed the feat of combining the worst left-wing policies (antipathy towards the family and religion) with the worst that the political right has to offer (indifference and cruelty to the poor, mindless xenophobia), while at the same time becoming a second- or third-tier country on crucial quality of life measurements such as those listed at 1-3 above.

Hopefully, as more Americans acquire passports and see at least some of the rest of the world, they can pressure their governments to give them more for their tax dollars.
You're based in the UK, so I understand your inability to understand the American conservative reasoning behind opposing European-style leftist policies. Generally speaking, the right in America is more libertarian-leaning than the right is in Europe, which I imagine has more authoritarian/collectivistic leanings due to the history of the aristocracies and monarchies in Europe.

To understand the American Right, you need to understand that the American Right very much strongly believes that it is the legacy of the heritage left behind by the Founding Fathers. So the modern American Right still views itself through a lens of opposition to overreaching governmental tyranny, such as what was claimed that the British monarchy was in the eighteenth century. As such, the American Right defines itself by the concept of rugged individualism, that in America, you ought to be left on your own and make it on your own. Yes, yes, I know, fire fighters, police, road maintenance, sewer systems, yadda yadda, but a lot of that can be done on a locally managed level, which is what the American Right would be more happy with, than a federal one. But they would also be much happier if those things were privatized than if they were public services, because again, rugged individualism and economic liberalism.

I don't think we disagree that it would be nice to have fast, efficient, and affordable public transportation. We also don't disagree that it would be nice to have free or cheap tertiary education. We also tend to be on the side of eating organic food (most people you see at a farmer's market in America are going to be right-leaning).

But we don't want the government running those things because, for lack of a better phrasing, we're still afraid of King George.

Of course, the downside is that the American Right has huge blinders for corporate tyranny...
 
I believe in environmental conservation (not to be confusing with “climate change”), authoritarianism, and that the working class needs to be protected from those elements of the employer class that are unscrupulous and tyrannical. I also agree with the fundamental idea of wiping out your opponent’s landmarks, though obviously in the opposite direction from what they’ve done.
 
I believe that drugs should be legalized and public EMTs (aka you get the service regardless of who you are, whether or not you have insurance and all that) should be ended. Let the wheat be separated from the chaff...as a bonus welfare expenses will decrease massively.
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
I believe that drugs should be legalized and public EMTs (aka you get the service regardless of who you are, whether or not you have insurance and all that) should be ended. Let the wheat be separated from the chaff...as a bonus welfare expenses will decrease massively.
Last year I met a friend in downtown Vancouver and asked him if he had ever been to skid row which he hadn’t, so we went, mostly for the $5 spaghetti and meat balls but while we were there, we saw three separate incidents of junkies being attended to within an hour. Literally EMTs with the chest pump defibrillators reviving junkies on the sidewalk that we had to walk around, what a waste of resources.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
Industrial labour unions and strong safety regulations.

I agree. I've seen 3rd world, american midwest, american south, canadian and european logging operations. The only ones I'd actually want to work in are Canadian or European ones.

The key word is "industrial" labor unions though. Public sector unions have made a joke out of the whole process because the government doesn't have the option to just shut down the factory and walk away if the union is being outrageous (See huff post Canada).

If I have to live in a Godless country, it's going to need some bare bones socialism to substitute for Christian morality.
 
The minimum wage should be 15/hr, (if not closer to 25/hr, to keep it up with inflation).

That being said, I think that many people who are complaining about a 15/hr minimum wage today wouldn't show up to work anyways. They'll say things like, "I wanted 15 per hour, I didn't want to show up at 4 am and unload the truck..." or "I wanted 15 per hour, I didn't want to stay until 11 to help close the store..."

Many of them won't take the time to learn a trade either.

You also can't raise minimum wage and allow for unlimited immigration.

So, I'd tell the likes of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, "Politics is the art of compromise. You can have 15/hr minimum wage. I just want every illegal immigrant to be deported. We can start by making it impossible for them to work or function in this nation."

In Australia, the minimum wage is at A$20/hour (US$15.52). In addition to that, there are additional loadings for work performed in the evening, and on weekends, that range from an extra 25% - 75% of the hourly rate. Therefore it is possible for a casual worker to earn $25 - $30 per hour in an unskilled labour job.

Despite the high minimum wage, it is never enough for some people, who would complain regardless.

A lot of small businesses pay a flat $20/hour, or make the employees apply for a business number and have them as contractors. Wage theft has become a more prominent issue in the last ten years or so.
 

MrFreezy

Pigeon
I believe in crypto. Bitcoin for example. Seems like a pretty lefty idea to me. Currency of the people. Big pool of money. Accessible to everybody. No banking authority. Funny enough most lefties laugh about it. Like its a joke. ok. Whatever.
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
I agree. I've seen 3rd world, american midwest, american south, canadian and european logging operations. The only ones I'd actually want to work in are Canadian or European ones.

The key word is "industrial" labor unions though. Public sector unions have made a joke out of the whole process because the government doesn't have the option to just shut down the factory and walk away if the union is being outrageous (See huff post Canada).

If I have to live in a Godless country, it's going to need some bare bones socialism to substitute for Christian morality.
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scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
The problem these days is that the blue collar, union man has nowhere to turn to. Our traditional base has been taken over by those in favour of trannies and refugees who oppose large scale, industrial projects. The right, who are in favour of such projects, are union busting capitalists who’d rather replace us all with third world quasi-slave labour. All the while the young generation totally supports multinational companies like Nike, Apple, Uber, etc who pay shit wages in Asian sweat shops and employ immigrants in the “gig economy” because it’s cool but think that the middle class boilermakers, iron workers and pipefitters, who literally built our countries are toxically masculine, white privileged red necks.

On the other hand, the non pozzed right wing voters think unions are shit and only chase the top dollar, a few I’ve met over the years were idiots who totally lacked empathy for their coworkers and chased money. Most are now divorced alcoholics, it’s way too polarized these days.
 
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