What left wing views do you hold?

Castelnau

Kingfisher
1. The Rich Suck

The rich suck. Can you name one super rich person who isn't a minion of evil? Once you reach a certain threshold of wealth you get their attention and they will control you. Corporations push SJW propaganda, now to a unbearable degree. Are we suppose to care they don't want to pay higher min wage or they'll pay more taxes? The real truth is working people don't want wealth equality, they want revenge, they want the Netflix reboot of the French Revolution. They want to see the super rich getting knocked around which is why GME was so popular.

I've read all the arguments against a $15 minimum wage, wealth tax, etc. I think they make sense but I sure am not going to waste my time carrying water for the rich which is what the average dumb conservatives such as Breitbart commenters do. Using the fear of "socialism" they block every progressive attempt to help the working class and poor. Notice conservatives can't stop the tide of social justice progressivism like LGBT propaganda for grade schoolers or forced gay wedding cakes but they are successful in at least slowing down fiscal reforms like capital gains taxes, higher minimum wage, etc. Follow the money. The rich are fine with America turning into a SJW hellhole just as long as they have their money. NIMBYs are fine with their kids getting brainwashed and turned into freaks, just don't build more affordable housing to lower their home value.

I'd like to see a rightwing anti-rich movement as an alternative to Marxism.

2. Environmentalism

I like recycling. I like compost heaps. I like protecting endangered animals and saving energy more and being less wasteful. Its too bad Climate Change has just completely took over and strangled all the legitimate aspects of environmentalism.

3. Anti War

We all know all the propaganda about spreading democracy by the US gov is a lie. Conservative people need to drop the "support the troops" nonsense and stop being patriotic if it means supporting every stupid globalist war. A huge part of Trump's support I believe was based on the anti war sentiment of the right. I thought the lefty "We invaded Iraq for oil" stuff was simplistic and not true but there should be convergence between the populist left and right over stuff like the evil foreign interventions we get into. The left will package it as blah blah blah evil white people hurting POC but the reality is the US and friends do these wars, get a ton of innocent people killed, and then push SJW nonsense on them and try to destroy their traditional way of life like 100 mil to support feminism in Afghanistan.

4. Universal Healthcare

There comes a point where the status quo is untenable and you need a alternative even if its not a good alternative. Americans DO NOT WANT the current system. If the Democrats' Obamacare is not good then COME UP WITH A ALTERNATIVE. The GOP offered none. Trump offered none despite his promise of a totally better healthcare system. All we got is scary stories of socialist medicine and death panels and losing your doctor. Maybe universal healthcare will have a ton of downsides like them kicking "racists" off the plan for "racist remarks". Maybe it is a total power grab but it doesn't matter if when people are desperate and getting stuck with huge medical bills or dying because they don't get preventative care.

So we need some kind of universal healthcare. There's no point in pushing back against "socialism" when our culture is so messed up. If we're going to be stuck with gender pronouns Zer and Ze and Dr. Seuss banned and drag queen story hour and "first black X" story every 6 seconds then we might as well have "socialist medicine" so at least people can be more comfortable in this clown world.

5. America sucks

Taking inspiration from green lingo like "carbon emissions" if we had something like sin emissions that measures the amount of sin a country produces then America would be #1 with no other country even close. America doesn't just sin, we actively force other countries to sin.


America turned its back on God a long time ago and now we worship money and degeneracy. God doesn't want to bless America God wants to smite America for our wickedness. We empower industries like Hollywood and Silicon Valley to export degenerate lifestyles to the rest of the world akin to Spanish Conquistadors spreading smallpox to unsuspecting natives with no immunity. We gave black celebrities in America a huge megaphone to export ghetto thug culture to the rest of the world now you see arab, asian, and other kids acting "black". Our foreign policy elites like John Bolton are demonic who start foreign wars that result in a ton of innocent lives all to spread "democracy" and "freedom". America is so evil and screwed up it makes China, a country that has literally moved a minority group to prison camps and engaging in a policy of forced cultural assimilation, a more preferable candidate for global hegemon than America in my opinion.
 
The problem these days is that the blue collar, union man has nowhere to turn to. Our traditional base has been taken over by those in favour of trannies and refugees who oppose large scale, industrial projects. The right, who are in favour of such projects, are union busting capitalists who’d rather replace us all with third world quasi-slave labour. All the while the young generation totally supports multinational companies like Nike, Apple, Uber, etc who pay shit wages in Asian sweat shops and employ immigrants in the “gig economy” because it’s cool but think that the middle class boilermakers, iron workers and pipefitters, who literally built our countries are toxically masculine, white privileged red necks.

On the other hand, the non pozzed right wing voters think unions are shit and only chase the top dollar, a few I’ve met over the years were idiots who totally lacked empathy for their coworkers and chased money. Most are now divorced alcoholics, it’s way too polarized these days.

Christianity is what gives dignity to the Man regardless of Station. That is what will steer the right in favor of the Blue Collar Man.

Likewise with the Laws for Gleaning that is allowing to poor and the alien to gather food for themselves from the leftovers of the field especially from the corners that are left un-reaped(Leviticus 19:9-10)

The Law by which debts are cancelled in a 7 year cycle(Deuteronomy 15:1–3) Usury is generally banned among the people themselves(Deuteronomy 23:19)

Also the 7th Yearly is a Holiday for all Farm Workers since the Land is to be left fallow for the whole year(Exodus 23:10–11, Leviticus 25:2–7 Leviticus 25:20–22 and). The Sabbath which gave workers a day off every 7th Day.

And so forth.
 
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Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Industrial labour unions and strong safety regulations.
Can you elaborate on 'safety' ?

It sounds like what we've been hearing, ie stay safe, stay home, there's a 0.1% chance of catching or spreading corona.

Do you mean that there should not be the smallest crack in the footpath, or that a cup of coffee legally needs to carry a warning that it is hot..
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
Can you elaborate on 'safety' ?

It sounds like what we've been hearing, ie stay safe, stay home, there's a 0.1% chance of catching or spreading corona.

Do you mean that there should not be the smallest crack in the footpath, or that a cup of coffee legally needs to carry a warning that it is hot..

No more like stringent industrial codes be followed to a T to ensure that workers on sites like oil refineries, chemical plants and pipelines don't get killed or seriously injured during explosions, electrocuted, buried by dirt, ran over by heavy equipment, etc. All such accidents are preventable and usually caused by people cutting corners or not being properly trained.

 

Hell_Is_Like_Newark

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Atheist
Generally pro abortion.. however this is for what has been considered 'right wing' (eugenic) reasons.
I believe one of government's jobs is building / encouraging public transportation system in urban areas. Car-centric cities suck and are basically giant suburbs with traffic jams.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
No more like stringent industrial codes be followed to a T to ensure that workers on sites like oil refineries, chemical plants and pipelines don't get killed or seriously injured during explosions, electrocuted, buried by dirt, ran over by heavy equipment, etc. All such accidents are preventable and usually caused by people cutting corners or not being properly trained.


A beautiful example of the disconnect between the internet urban dweller and the rural commercial worker.

People live in these strange bubbles nowadays where 'what they dont' see doesn't exist'. As a former Canadian resource worker my view of 'safety' is like Scotian's whereas the urban office workers view of 'safety' is ergonomic keyboards so you don't get carpal tunnel syndrome or a sore back.

I crossed this barrier when I went from working in the woods, to the government bureaucrazy in America. My boss said to me "Doc, you never seem to get worked up over crises. (in this example, the crises was a scandal in the governors office). I replied to my boss, well boss, in my last job a "crisis" was that someone had died or something was on fire. We haven't had a crisis here yet.

It's the same thing in reverse. A person that is a workplace libertarian (no unions, no laws) and has exposure to a white collar office space I think is correct in that view. However, when you remove all laws from an industrialized workplace you get a very dangerous work environment, with deaths and unreliable equipment, poorly trained people etc. These increased risks lead to decreased productivity which has to be covered up with even crappier workers, product and low wages.

Having no laws to support you when your boss says "I want you to type up this report on saturday" is different than having no laws to support you when your boss says "climb into that chipper drum and kick out that rock thats jammed in there"
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
Atheist
Generally pro abortion.. however this is for what has been considered 'right wing' (eugenic) reasons.

I believe one of government's jobs is building / encouraging public transportation system in urban areas. Car-centric cities suck and are basically giant suburbs with traffic jams.

@Hell_Is_Like_Newark I was you until I had a child born 3 months premature and grew up with no health problems. The pregnancy itself was higher risk and abortion was advised as an option early on.

I'm no longer an atheist or pro abortion. God is God, doctors are humans at best, gay demonic feminists at worst.
 

Hell_Is_Like_Newark

Kingfisher
Gold Member
@Hell_Is_Like_Newark I was you until I had a child born 3 months premature and grew up with no health problems. The pregnancy itself was higher risk and abortion was advised as an option early on.

I'm no longer an atheist or pro abortion. God is God, doctors are humans at best, gay demonic feminists at worst.

You don't fall under the reasons I am OK with abortion. My fear that without it, the nation will be overwhelmed by violent sub 85 IQ people who will destroy the modern world.
 
Legalizing gay marriage, weed, and prostitution. Allowing women to be topless at the beach.

Basically all the stuff Europe made legal a long time ago.
Extremely degenerate. Sure, let women walk around naked but don’t you dare look at them!

Women should be covered in veils and shouldn’t be let out of he house without written permission from a male guardian. Gays should be publically hanged and/or stoned.

I agree on weed (legal only for male tax payers) and prostitution though. In fact, every unmarried woman over 27 should be forced into prostitution.
 
I'm definitely not for gay marriage and would like to see it banned again.

Just the environmental causes - they shouldn't really have been left or right but the left has adopted them in an unhealthy political way. They have poisoned it to the extent that Trump for example often speaks out against wind turbines. If the left had not poisoned it he'd probably be for it. I don't really worry about climate change or sea level rise, but will not oppose solar or wind energy, or rewilding.
Wind turbines are awful and completely ruin the environment.

The cleanest and lowest profile energy source we have is nuclear.

The left isn’t for “environmentalism”. Almost every “alternative” solution they are behind is bad for the environment.
 
I grew up in Soviets. There was free healthcare and free education- so if some country can make it happen in kinda normal way - without killing people and sending to Siberia, then - why not. In other ways Soviets were horror. I was a child- i didn't feel it so dark, but I'm glad than it ended. I can't imagine my adult life in such regime, and also in any other ( right wing) regime. I have an "allergy" against regimes. Western Europe in first half of 90ties - the best i have seen ever. Freedom and balance.
 

Seadog

Kingfisher
A beautiful example of the disconnect between the internet urban dweller and the rural commercial worker.

People live in these strange bubbles nowadays where 'what they dont' see doesn't exist'. As a former Canadian resource worker my view of 'safety' is like Scotian's whereas the urban office workers view of 'safety' is ergonomic keyboards so you don't get carpal tunnel syndrome or a sore back.

I crossed this barrier when I went from working in the woods, to the government bureaucrazy in America. My boss said to me "Doc, you never seem to get worked up over crises. (in this example, the crises was a scandal in the governors office). I replied to my boss, well boss, in my last job a "crisis" was that someone had died or something was on fire. We haven't had a crisis here yet.

It's the same thing in reverse. A person that is a workplace libertarian (no unions, no laws) and has exposure to a white collar office space I think is correct in that view. However, when you remove all laws from an industrialized workplace you get a very dangerous work environment, with deaths and unreliable equipment, poorly trained people etc. These increased risks lead to decreased productivity which has to be covered up with even crappier workers, product and low wages.

Having no laws to support you when your boss says "I want you to type up this report on saturday" is different than having no laws to support you when your boss says "climb into that chipper drum and kick out that rock thats jammed in there"

This is a problem that a lot of returning vets have after tours. When some Karen or urban house wife starts going on about a "crisis" or problem, they feel it's just a huge slap in the face, and they want to kill them. Bitch, you have no bloody idea what constitutes a crisis or a problem.
 

Seadog

Kingfisher
At least cheaper, if not universal health care and education. No reason someone should be bankrupt paying for a procedure, and be tied to working because they need insurance if they can other wise afford. My school was about 5k/yr, and that was easily manageable between pt jobs and co-ops.

Also I'm very pro environment, which seems to have been co-opted by the left, but Roosevelt was one, and he gave the US the national parks system. While it may be unpopular, I subscribe to the baser tenants of climate change. About 15 years ago, I wanted to come to an educated position on it, so I started asking a lot of people a lot of questions. Here's what I learned. Most people are either too stupid, too lazy, lack the moral fortitude to "go against their team", and don't have the critical reasoning skills to honestly evaluate something from primary sources. The conversations ended two ways. Either a parroting of MSM talking points which had been dumbed down for a 5th grader, or calling me a "climate denier" for having the audacity to question something I didn't understand to my satisfaction. So I did something very few ppl have likely done, I actually sat down and read huge swaths of the IPCC report. If several hundred pages of highly technical reading sounds like a good time, you'd be mistaken. Anyways, they laid out a reasonably convincing case for the baser things like earths warming, and we're contributing, but much of the rest had huge uncertainty bands or low confidence intervals, based on many assumptions. But Climate science has become politics masquerading as science. There's just way too much money being made, and it's far, far more profitable to simply ignore the low confidence interval, cite worst first alarmism, and make a whole lot of money in the process. What happened to Gore saying we had 10 years before the earth would implode, 20 years ago? When you peddle hysteria, everything you say comes into question, even the stuff which may not be BS. Climate is a wildly chaotic system, with many positive and negative feed back loops, and you just can't say with any certainty what the consequences 100 years from now will be.

Also there was an interesting book called "Cool It" by a guy named Bjorn Lomborg. His position was that it would be far cheaper over the next 100 years, to deal with the problems like higher seas by building sea walls etc, than crippling economies and ridding us of cheap energy, which more many is a matter of survival. Some hut in Chad isn't going to stop burning wood and switch to a wind powered stove.

It's funny because I've had the same arguments about fraccing, and nuclear power. Fraccing I knew intimately from first hand work in the industry, nuclear I read a fair bit about. And when you start asking technical details about why say molten salt reactors are bad, or why should we be concerned as the technology has imporoved massively in 40 years, most people just get the dear in head light look, or say you can't be too careful.
 
I grew up in Soviets. There was free healthcare and free education- so if some country can make it happen in kinda normal way - without killing people and sending to Siberia, then - why not. In other ways Soviets were horror. I was a child- i didn't feel it so dark, but I'm glad than it ended. I can't imagine my adult life in such regime, and also in any other ( right wing) regime. I have an "allergy" against regimes. Western Europe in first half of 90ties - the best i have seen ever. Freedom and balance.

There is such a thing in Cuba. But in regards to healthcare it would be pretty basic. The more advanced procedures can only be done in the USA at a price.

And much of the healthcare is preventative. Its the curative model after the fact that really drives up the costs. I believe healthcare in the USA aside from removing the Crony Capitalism of Big Pharma could be far cheaper if more people in the USA took care of their health and not be among the top 10 most obese Countries on the Planet.
 

bucky

Ostrich
There is such a thing in Cuba. But in regards to healthcare it would be pretty basic. The more advanced procedures can only be done in the USA at a price.

And much of the healthcare is preventative. Its the curative model after the fact that really drives up the costs. I believe healthcare in the USA aside from removing the Crony Capitalism of Big Pharma could be far cheaper if more people in the USA took care of their health and not be among the top 10 most obese Countries on the Planet.
I don't know what to do about health care here in the US but yeah, every time I see an obese American taking a drag on a cigarette or filling up her shopping cart with garbage carbs and sugar I think "there's someone who doubtless supports universal health care."
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I hate libertarians.

;)
I am not in the libertarian camp but there is this saying I like "no enemies to the right". The libertarians are probably left of me however so if I wanted to hate them that rule should not stop me. Not that all these political issues are one-dimensional. I used to know someone who also hated the German party 'FDP' which is the libertarian party. He hated them because he really liked the idea of the welfare state. I once read Ayn Rand's Fountainhead, which was interesting and I slightly identified with it but could not passionately get into the concept. The person who recommended it to me loved it, and I coincidentally don't speak to them anymore either. I listen to a few libertarian leaning podcasts but still feel they are slightly deluded. There is some value however in what they have to say but the problem with it as far as I can tell is that they believe that the economic system if it were given totally free reign, unconstrained by government intervention would result in a perfect society. It seems like the libertarians are people who have their own version of a future utopia which is somehow divorced from history, tradition and religion. They don't really have what it takes to fix the world's problems. They dwell in an imaginary realm. I just can't quite buy it, especially the weed smoking part, but sometimes wonder if patriots / traditionalists and libertarians should find a way to join forces. Anyway, I never studied exactly what libertarianism is, am mildly curious not that I am likely to join them so if have misunderstood them would be interested to hear.
 
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