What makes certain people become red-pilled?

fortyfive

Sparrow
What makes people red-pilled?

Certainly, it is some personal traits, IQ, EQ, experience, and mindset but in the end, I believe the difference is the decision.
We all have not exactly the same, but very similar information on how things are and how the world is functioning.

But when all thinking and considering is done for some specific situation or thing, then we must come to a decision.
Our inner decision what to believe.

And this decision makes all difference and brings all consequences.


(Most people assume that they are believing something because they have reason to believe it and there is clear evidence.
No. They believe it because they made their own decision what they will believe.)
 
As others have said, having a discerning mind helps. Experience and observation certainly hasten the discerning process. Upbringing plays a role, probably, but I've seen red and blue pilled siblings who were basically raised the same way, so who knows on that one. I think it boils down to whether or not one is comfortable with lying to one's self.

I, for one, want the truth and do not like being deceived, by me or anyone else.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I think it just boils down to having a rebellious, iconoclastic nature, and a willingness to challenge what’s considered acceptable. I think a thirst for novelty helps.

When I was a middle schooler, I got into movies. ALL of them, though. Silents from 1918, trashy grindhouse exploitation horror from the mid-1970s, anime, Disney classics, nature documentaries, and bad movies you watch to laugh - or just shake your head in wonder and muse about how this could have even been made?

I had a curiosity for all of it, and the cultural context all of it came out in. That translates over to everything else. If someone has a convincing argument about how Hitler and the Nazis were the mole people and came from underground, I’d listen and amuse myself.

Their opinion isn’t going to jump out and infect me like it’s a virus. Some people to this day cringe at the idea of reading Mein Kampf...Mr. Mustache’s book isn’t going to turn you into a genocidal kook. If it does, you already were one.
 

Grow Bag

Woodpecker
As a kid I didn't place much faith in adults. I was guarded and observant and, frankly, a lot of behaviour I witnessed didn't gain my respect. So I've always tended to question authority. I also have a strong sense of the metaphysical and trust my intuition about things. Not saying it's always correct, but my experience tells me if alarm bells are ringing, then I best take notice.

As an example, I remember being out grocery shopping with my girlfriend and watching these people with shopping carts full to the rim with food, mostly junk, and the thought popped into my head "this can't go on, this will end soon". Around this time I was constantly getting invitations from various banks to take out a loan, which baffled me. The thought occurred to me, "something is very wrong here. This is antithetical to prudent banking practice". This was around 2001. When the crash came in 2008 I wasn't shocked at all, I just knew it was planned. I didn't then know about the money masters, I'd never really given money much thought, but I was quick to learn, because I was primed. Nobody was thinking like this is my circles. They'd roll their eyes if I started talking conspiratorially.

Since then it's been one long, deep dive, reading and listening binge. To be fair I'd always used the internet primarily as a learning, not entertainment, tool. When others were fapping to porn, etc., I was getting an education.
 

Luna Novem

Woodpecker
Woman
I think it just boils down to having a rebellious, iconoclastic nature, and a willingness to challenge what’s considered acceptable. I think a thirst for novelty helps.

When I was a middle schooler, I got into movies. ALL of them, though. Silents from 1918, trashy grindhouse exploitation horror from the mid-1970s, anime, Disney classics, nature documentaries, and bad movies you watch to laugh - or just shake your head in wonder and muse about how this could have even been made?

I had a curiosity for all of it, and the cultural context all of it came out in. That translates over to everything else. If someone has a convincing argument about how Hitler and the Nazis were the mole people and came from underground, I’d listen and amuse myself.

Their opinion isn’t going to jump out and infect me like it’s a virus. Some people to this day cringe at the idea of reading Mein Kampf...Mr. Mustache’s book isn’t going to turn you into a genocidal kook. If it does, you already were one.
I'd read Mein Kampf before I'd read a book about a serial killer; a LOT of people read those.
 
Asking my dad where does money come from who prints how come bank have infinite money?

I never got a satisfactory answer but it's like as a child you instinctively know what's bs

It wasn't until many years later reading about the federal reserves and the aliens complete control of western banks that I began to understand
 

stugatz

Pelican
I'd read Mein Kampf before I'd read a book about a serial killer; a LOT of people read those.
Oh, I'd be one of those. I think I'm just fascinated by evil people and wonder how they can be capable of such things. I can't say it's useful, though - reading about the Green River Killer or Ted Bundy will probably just end up making me more paranoid.
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
Oh, I'd be one of those. I think I'm just fascinated by evil people and wonder how they can be capable of such things. I can't say it's useful, though - reading about the Green River Killer or Ted Bundy will probably just end up making me more paranoid.
Yes, like Churchill too. Both Hitler and Churchill were evil. Question is which one was less evil?
 

Elipe

Kingfisher
Yes, like Churchill too. Both Hitler and Churchill were evil. Question is which one was less evil?
Two different kinds of evil. Luciferian and Ahrimanic. Hitler was Luciferian: evil of the passions - rage, murder, etc. Churchill was Ahrimanic: cold, calculating, slowly suffocating systematic evil. Churchill's evil wouldn't be obvious until decades later when we looked back and realized he was in full cooperation with the Jewish Globohomo order.

Luciferian evil is way preferable as an opponent over Ahrimanic evil, because Luciferian evil is easier to oppose. It's easier to stir up people against a raving killer, but much harder to stir up people against a Machiavellian network that coaches its actions and impositions in the language of "love" and "compassion".

After all, that would be awfully unChristian and not very loving and compassionate if you want to lift covid lockdowns because you'd end up killing Grandma... or if you refused to let us modify your genes or effectively lock you out of society for not taking said gene modification drug.
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
Two different kinds of evil. Luciferian and Ahrimanic. Hitler was Luciferian: evil of the passions - rage, murder, etc. Churchill was Ahrimanic: cold, calculating, slowly suffocating systematic evil. Churchill's evil wouldn't be obvious until decades later when we looked back and realized he was in full cooperation with the Jewish Globohomo order.

Luciferian evil is way preferable as an opponent over Ahrimanic evil, because Luciferian evil is easier to oppose. It's easier to stir up people against a raving killer, but much harder to stir up people against a Machiavellian network that coaches its actions and impositions in the language of "love" and "compassion".

After all, that would be awfully unChristian and not very loving and compassionate if you want to lift covid lockdowns because you'd end up killing Grandma... or if you refused to let us modify your genes or effectively lock you out of society for not taking said gene modification drug.
If one is not aggressively for Christ, then one is passively against Him. Which one was does God vomit out?
The passive ones are like the psychopaths, who lack Christ's empathy to put Him first, even ahead of being pro-life.
The psychopaths get away with their social theft of society because they often appear "nicer than Jesus".
 

Towgunner

Woodpecker
I agree that the primary metric for red pill is intelligence. It follows that the more gullible tend to be dumber. But, I'd also add that its a matter of exposure to the red pill, especially now. I see this red pill process as one of those things that once started can never be stopped so long as the agitator of the red pill (i.e. progessivism/communism) remains. Therefore, I see it in mathematical terms. For instance, Terrance Popp just had Turd Flinging Monkey on his channel. TFM is pretty downtrodden to be sure. They disagreed on the conservative reaction. TFM has given up all hope. Incidentally, both TFM and Popp agree that this system is unsustainable and destine for failure nonetheless, so, correction is coming all the same.

I have a different take than TFM and Popp kind of alluded to this. Popp said it takes between 5-10% of a population to motivate significant change. I agree and the red pill process is this formation of this 5-10% of the population. Where are we now? Well, the red pill is basically almost in common parlance. So, perhaps close. Either way, all we have to do is keep red pilling people. Because once you're red pilled you can never go back.

To that end, the liberals are helping us more than anyone. Its one thing to slug it out and post memes or in comments sections destroying liberals etc. That's still necessary. But, when some weirdo sex-addicted freak tweets for the whole world to see that he thinks little girls are "kinky", you've just red pilled a large amount of people.
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
I agree that the primary metric for red pill is intelligence. It follows that the more gullible tend to be dumber. But, I'd also add that its a matter of exposure to the red pill, especially now. I see this red pill process as one of those things that once started can never be stopped so long as the agitator of the red pill (i.e. progessivism/communism) remains. Therefore, I see it in mathematical terms. For instance, Terrance Popp just had Turd Flinging Monkey on his channel. TFM is pretty downtrodden to be sure. They disagreed on the conservative reaction. TFM has given up all hope. Incidentally, both TFM and Popp agree that this system is unsustainable and destine for failure nonetheless, so, correction is coming all the same.

I have a different take than TFM and Popp kind of alluded to this. Popp said it takes between 5-10% of a population to motivate significant change. I agree and the red pill process is this formation of this 5-10% of the population. Where are we now? Well, the red pill is basically almost in common parlance. So, perhaps close. Either way, all we have to do is keep red pilling people. Because once you're red pilled you can never go back.

To that end, the liberals are helping us more than anyone. Its one thing to slug it out and post memes or in comments sections destroying liberals etc. That's still necessary. But, when some weirdo sex-addicted freak tweets for the whole world to see that he thinks little girls are "kinky", you've just red pilled a large amount of people.
Regarding the weirdo, "I cannot pray without cursing" every blessing implies a curse. - Martin Luther.
As Christians we are obligated to pray for an evil person's repentance and salvation, and that person gets what he deserves, if he does not.
All the Psalms contain war prayers against the wicked, so that righteousness will not be replaced.
 

Slide-Rule

Sparrow
I'd say intelligence.

Also being a "free speech absolutist." The only two red pilled guys I've ever met "in real life" were both free speech absolutist. I would take the unrestricted Capitalist position, another would take the Marxist position, and neither one of us would ever dream of censoring the others.

Also having a reasonable open mind is another big one, "Is there anything I can say that will change your mind?" "Yes, I don't know what that is, but I'll know it when I hear it." is something we'd tell one another. I'm a Catholic, the other two are atheists, and we'd understand that MY belief in an afterlife is nothing to be offended by, anymore than THEIR belief in eternal oblivion was nothing for me to get offended by.

In fact, we'd sometimes "switch." The best way to know you can "think" is make an argument for a position you don't believe in... I (The Catholic) would tell them, "In all of Physics there is no evidence, zero, zilch, nada, for an afterlife, eternal oblivion is true." My atheist friend would then say, "What about all the martyrs who died for your faith? What do you say to them? Or the reported miracles from the history of your religion?"
 

Kitty Tantrum

Woodpecker
Woman
I think intelligence can be a double-edged sword. The ability to quickly learn and incorporate new ideas and information into one's paradigm/processes can actually render one more susceptible to adopting a false worldview, if TRUTH is not also presented and reinforced.

My younger brother said something a couple days ago that struck me as being an illustration of this. The gist of it was:

"When I was a kid, our dad always told me that I was really smart and that most other people in the world are idiots by comparison. I spent YEARS of my life learning to overcome that attitude, not be a cocky brat, and to view other people as my equals by default. Now, years later, I'm realizing that he was actually RIGHT. About ALL OF IT."

For all his faults, our dad is a speaker of many truths and a giver of many "red pills." My siblings and I all started off on the "right" footing, with a realistic and non-sugar-coated perspective of the world. We are also all very intelligent, consistently performing in the 98th percentile range or higher (not that they're a great standard, but we're all comfortably in the 140-150+ ballpark on IQ tests, for reference).

Then one-by-one we started college, and the social engineering began.

My older brother, who I've always regarded as being "the smartest" (albeit perhaps by just a hair or two), easily adopted MOST of the liberal indoctrination he received (except for gun control; he loves guns). He is a software engineer, and basically hopped and skipped his way easily from community college to university with a full (all-expenses) scholarship, then right into a stable career.

My younger brother, who strikes me as being at least a little "smarter" than I am, also adopted a lot of the BS, as he has described. He majored in electrical engineering but will likely change tracks and do software as well.

My younger brother's saving grace at this point seems to be that electrical engineers were not as in-demand when he graduated, as software engineers were when our older brother graduated - and so he's delayed his permanent move to the "big city" in favor of living out in the sticks, closer to "home," building his relationship with his girlfriend, and working in foodservice (back-end/kitchen) to pay the bills while he considers his direction for the future career-wise. Working in kitchens is pretty "red-pilling" in general.

My brothers are both brilliant. But their interests and their career paths took them away from the primary source of unadulterated truth in their lives - and into the communist indoctrination camps. They (unknowingly) entered an artificial environment designed and constructed to create and reinforce the idea that certain attractive lies packaged as truths are inextricably bound up with worldly/financial AND spiritual/moral "success." With "success" predicated on adopting certain ideologies, it takes only a sliver of ignorance and naivety (not realizing that you're operating in an artificial construct which does not mirror reality) for an extremely intelligent person to quickly learn "truths" that are actually anything but.

And then there is me. I was the one who (by whatever mechanism) recognize the indoctrination for what it was, and resisted it. Told the people who pushed me to go to four-year university to shove it, got married, had some babies, etc.... and then my first husband managed to pull the wool over my eyes. Very similar to what my younger brother described - it was a years-long period of learning to "overcome" the "wrongheaded ideas" I was raised with.

I think that for me, it was having kids, and keeping them so close to me all the time, being the one to teach them everything, etc. that eventually put the lie to all of the things I was being led to believe. If you watch the way children learn and develop, there's a lot in there that lays bare some of the most fundamental principles of cause and effect. When you are actively molding a mind, if you pay attention, there are a lot of clues to the various ways in which your own mind might have been molded.

So clearly, even extremely intelligent people who already have greater access to truth than most people, can be led to believe lies if they can be unwittingly led into an environment designed to reinforce them as truths. Because INTELLIGENCE is not the same thing as DISCERNMENT. You can be a bloody freaking genius, and if you've never learned to discern truth from lies, or if you are held "captive" somehow far away from any access to the truth, your only real leg up is that you can learn the lies faster than everyone else.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I think intelligence also has the drawback of letting people believe their own bullcrap, and they can as a result psych themselves into believing stuff they don’t actually believe. They can also stay in their own heads longer.

From personal experience - I am easily the smartest out of my three siblings, but neither of them were alcoholics in their 20s that struggled to finish college.

I was miserable but chose to intentionally dwell on the past endlessly and spin my wheels. I then found conservatism junior year of college and threw myself into activism, mostly as a way of feeling superior to others and winning arguments with “dumb libs” that knew nothing. I was always terrified of actually arguing with a liberal that could beat me.

I can definitely say that, when getting put through the ringer in back-of-house kitchen work, I envied people who were of normal intelligence. They didn’t look at the tickets piling up and freak out like I did my first month, they just put their heads down and did the work.
 
I have always been a seeker. Have many contrarian beliefs and investments. But I think my journey to redpill goes similar to many men.

1. Young and chasing women
2. Finding PUA and other manosphere communities on the internet
3. Internet communities slowly turning more and more redpill
4. Pain, breakup with girlfriend
5. Being hurt, seeking out the angrier part of the manosphere, taking the redpill, blackpill etc
6. Deep dive into every form of personal development
7. Ending up on stoicism, whitepill, tradlife
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
I have always been a seeker. Have many contrarian beliefs and investments. But I think my journey to redpill goes similar to many men.

1. Young and chasing women
2. Finding PUA and other manosphere communities on the internet
3. Internet communities slowly turning more and more redpill
4. Pain, breakup with girlfriend
5. Being hurt, seeking out the angrier part of the manosphere, taking the redpill, blackpill etc
6. Deep dive into every form of personal development
7. Ending up on stoicism, whitepill, tradlife
Perhaps your seeking will eventually be rewarded with the God-pill:D
 
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