What makes certain people become red-pilled?

Blade Runner

Pelican
Yes, basically they are truth seekers. The people who don't lie to themselves or others. Accept the world for what it is, not what they want it to be.

I've noticed that those who can hack the world - that is, they are secure in surviving it - by definition have no use for lies and trying to convince others into the type of collectivism that suggests that they are weak and not just in need of help, but deserve it or are owed it. These weaklings want the spoils, but won't pay the price. Same thing in the spiritual world, which is why you rarely see lefties as virtue seeking religious people, either. It's all a show to them.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Regarding the correlation between IQ and being redpilled, former forum member AnonymousBosch had this interesting idea that people who tend to be the most susceptible to blue-pill propaganda are "mid-wits" - people who are above average in intelligence but aren't as smart as they imagine themselves to be. The example I think of would be your typical college-educated white collar worker. They are intelligent enough to handle the cognitive work of high-education and to process the information they are being fed but they aren't going to be original "outside of the box" thinkers.

People who are below average to average or are highly intelligent in the other hand to be more receptive to red-pill thinking. The below average people are inoculated from a lot of blue pill thinking. These people are weaker in abstract reasoning which means their thinking is not theory-based but primarily based on the concrete and what they observe directly - ie. they tend to be more "common sense" thinkers. They aren't going to buy into the a lot of what is being pushed by the technocratic elite simply because they aren't going to understand the convoluted explanations being given to justify what they are selling.

An example I would use is how each group reacts to transgender ideology. The justification for transgenderism being valid relies on a lot of theoretical concepts - the most fundamental being the contrast between gender and sex. The theory calls for people to deny the common sense of what they see and instead to use all this abstract reasoning and theory to explain it away. "Rachel Levine may appear to be merely a fat dude with long hair and makeup if you just believe what your eyes see but you can't believe what your eyes see. Here's all this theory that explains that she is actually a woman. "

If you are a typical blue pill mid-wit you would believe this because you are intelligent enough to being to understand the theory that justifies the illusion but not smart enough to point out some of the holes and absurd conclusions it leads to. The person on the lower side of the IQ spectrum simply wouldn't be able to comprehend the theory and would fall back to what his senses are telling him ("That ain't a woman that's a guy with eyeshadow") while the person on the higher side of the IQ spectrum would be able to understand the theory but would be able to point out the absurdities in it ("If gender is merely just how a person expresses oneself does and a person's identity is not linked to any sort of biological concept but is instead just completed located within his mind does that mean wiggers are actually white and transracialism is valid")
 

Mrs.DanielH

Robin
Woman
Okay, the one that really gets me is video essays. Is that the new thing they're doing in the English classes now?
Per a relative who teaches 6th-8th grade, children do not know how to write anymore. They literally video-chat each other instead of texting. When she has to grade essays it is a nightmare. Their writing is at least 3-4 years behind the "benchmark". I personally know when I went to college there were kids who had never written a research paper before and the teachers had to walk them through it, whereas I learned that skill in 9th grade and improved upon that skill throughout high school. I don't know how these kids got into college. Just because you are the valedictorian at a little country school where each grade is like 5-10 kids doesn't mean you are brilliant. They easily would have been in the middle or bottom of the class at my high school. At my small liberal arts college there were many such "valedictorians", and they were all full of themselves. Edited to say the same goes for "smart" kids from cities. Just because you are smarter than your black and hispanic peers doesn't mean you earned a spot at college.
 

Papist

Sparrow
Yes. I think you mean a high pain threshold. Lots of intelligent people recognise the bizarre patterns and inconsistencies in society but can not carry this around in day to day life as it is stressful and to confront it is very painful, so they put such thoughts at the back of their mind and live with ignorance and practice cognitive dissonance, a rather detrimental condition that eats at your soul. It can be ignored by filling your days with trivial pursuits. If they only could stay still a while they would see the error of their ways.
I haven't read all the replies. However, this jumped out at me.

My dad's a clever man. He has recently retired, but he was an accountant, then he got into computing and did a Masters course and scored 98% in one of the exams, and his answer was used as a model answer for a few years afterwards. He's a millionaire, but was a terrible dad and husband to my mum, but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I was trying to make him understand that the official 9/11 narrative is rubbish. I told him about WTC7 collapsing like in a controlled demolition, Larry Silverstein purchasing the complex shortly before the attacks and how he avoided them due to his dermatologist's appointment, and all the other anomalies which, in the round, indicate it was an inside job. I could see that some of the facts made my dad feel uncomfortable, but then, he just told me that I should concentrate on self-improvement rather than worry about "crackpot conspiracy theories" and just refused to listen anymore. The next time I tried to raise it he simply interrupted me and told me there was "no evidence" and he wasn't going to listen to it all again.

The thing about my dad is I could see him looking disconcerted by some of the things I told him. He just didn't want to acknowledge an inconvenient truth. It's like he just censored it because it wasn't in his self-interest to consider it. It sort of disturbed him, but then he convinced himself it was nonsense. Strange.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
It is two part: being of an analytical nature and having experiences that violate the blue pilled norms promoted in society.
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Throw in some terrible relationships and some betrayals and analytical people will set their minds to figuring out why things keep going wrong when they keep doing everything right. Then they take the red pill.

Also being a "free speech absolutist."

Yes, basically they are truth seekers. The people who don't lie to themselves or others. Accept the world for what it is, not what they want it to be.

These quotes sum it up, am not sure whether intelligence is part of it or not. If you grow up in a corrupt environment where there is a 'party line' you need to tow, with betrayals, denials, favouritism, it turns you into a free speech absolutist and truth seeker.
 
I suppose I was red-pilled around age 5.

When I was 5 my father took me to preschool but about 25 minutes down the road he realized he had forgotten his briefcase, so we drove back home. By the time we had arrived home we had been gone for about 50 minutes. There was another car in the driveway, which was odd.

We went inside, I followed my father upstairs, and I stood in the hallway looking through the doorway of the spare room [and into the spare room] and saw my mother was in bed [naked] with another man [naked]. My father went into the doorway. The other man began to plead, "oh God don't kill me, please don't kill me, don't kill me, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, just let me go, don't kill me." He grabbed his clothing and dressed himself as quickly as possible and hurriedly left the house.

My mother threw a fit, insulted my father and accused him of invading her privacy and, "I hope you're happy, I have to see him at work tomorrow after you embarrassed me like this."

He took me and we left the house. We went to have lunch and I said to him, "Only you should get to be with her the way that man was. He knew what he was doing was wrong and he was afraid you were going to kill him for it, because he recognized and realized how wrong it was for him to do that with your wife. I think we should kill her, we'll be better off without her. If you want to kill her I'll help you. If you want to kill him I'll help you too. She dishonored you and she should die for it."

My father said, "we're not killing anybody."

We talked about the situation. He asked me if I understood what was going on and I said, "I hate my mother and have always hated her, you should divorce her, we'll be better off without her, we don't need her, and we can get along fine on our own without her, you can do better than her. I hate her, I don't want her around, I want her out of my life. If you're not going to divorce her I may eventually kill her."


He filed for divorce shortly after. I was seriously like that as a five year old. As a child I would read encyclopedias, read the dictionary, read all manner of non-fictional books about history, read legal texts, read medical journals, and the like. When I saw my mother with that man and I saw the look of terror on his face combined with his pleas for his life, I knew right away what was going on, what he was doing, and why he was afraid that my father was possibly going to kill him, he was afraid because he knew that he had done something so detestable he deserved to die.

I was a fairly unusual child. My father told me I began to speak actual/articulate words around 8 months, full sentences around 12 months, with independent thoughts and meaningful intelligent questions about existence and the universe around 24-28 months, asking questions about "how was the moon formed?" "why does the moon exist?" "how did the Earth form?" "why does the Earth exist?" and making sarcastic joking remarks from 24 months to 36 months and verbally jabbing adults in obvious attempts to troll them around 3-5 years, saying things that were obviously calculated to annoy them.

The custody battle that lasted until I was about 11 was even more unusual. I learned very quickly how to size people up as a survival/defense/coping mechanism and how to avoid setting my mother off. I also learned to be very self-reliant because I understood, "if my mom can't be trusted to do anything except hurt me, how can I rely on strangers to do anything."


I ultimately spoke with the judge, alone, one on one, and said, "I often contemplate how to kill my mother and either stage it to look like an accident or a suicide, or I find myself contemplating taking my own life, but I ultimately conclude that murder is a sin and suicide is likewise wrong and that my path shouldn't end that way. I spent a lot of time at the library reading books on poison and wondering if I could poison her, what would show up on an autopsy, would anybody believe an 11 year old could do it, would I be investigated, would I be charged, would I be convicted, would it inconvenience my father to have to pay my defense costs, would God forgive me for such a horrid deed. I think my mother is evil and needs to die. If I have to live with her I will ultimately most likely kill myself although I may very well kill her. I've also thought about just finding some way to covertly overdose her on the drugs she is always taking. They are barbiturates and benzodiazepines. I wrote down the names from the bottles scattered around her pharmacy of a bedroom and I researched the medicines and their properties. I thought I could wait until she was unconscious in a stupor and find some way to administer a fatal overdose to her, she is always threatening to kill herself anyway. But as I said, I ultimately concluded it would be evil to commit such a killing. Any time I spend the night at her house I cry myself to sleep and pray to God that I die in my sleep or that I have the strength to finally kill her or kill myself. If I can't live with my father then I guess I would ultimately have to kill my mother and then you'll have to deal with a juvenile murder case."


The judge asked me about my home life when I was with my mother and I said, "she comes home, usually in some fit of rage from a problem at work, she's often coked out of her mind to boot, if she told me to mop the floor I will have the job done but she takes a small issue with the job and hits me in the face or smacks me with a wood cutting board, she goes around with strings of men and brings strings of men around, she prostitutes herself to some of them, they try to act like my friends but they're just men who are there to bed my mother, I hate her, I hate them. She has all sorts of different men hanging around her. She sleeps with colleagues, patients, subordinates, supervisors. She disgusts me. She seldom feeds me, often she beats me if I am in the kitchen without permission, she says I don't deserve food and that she wishes she had aborted me. She hangs around various degenerate lowlife men and uses cocaine with them. She then takes a lot of barbiturates and benzodiazepines and lapses into some semi-comatose state where it isn't possible to wake her even if you try, and then I usually leave her house and go to my father's because he never beats me, he makes several meals per day for me, and he doesn't support prostitution and he doesn't run around casually having hook-ups and meaningless encounters with losers that I don't want to be around. I don't believe I have ever done anything to her to deserve this and I want to have a life that doesn't involve her and where she doesn't have the ability to mess up what I want for myself and my future. Sometimes she says she will kill me and dispose of my body, she said she would drown me. I don't like being at her house or being around her. I don't ever want to see her again."

I was a fairly unusual child, I was very academic, I poured myself into my studies, I was one of the highest performing students in school, and I always had a single recurring thought in mind, "I must be as successful as possible so I never, under any circumstances, have to interact with my mother out of desperation due to some material deprivation that sees me going to her with hat in hand and asking for money or shelter and having to tolerate her controlling manipulative abuse."


Women around town insisted I was a problem child and my father was a bad husband and they went with my mother, "woe is me, I am the victim" story until she seduced their boyfriends, husbands, etc. My mother had affairs with no less than 11 men that my father confirmed/proved, during their approximately 6 years of marriage.

Ultimately my father received full/sole legal and physical custody, my mother's visitation/parental rights were terminated, she was ordered to pay child support [which she didn't pay, her wages were garnished by the court] and she left the state shortly after the custody battle was resolved.

I saw my mother as a poster-child of 2nd/3rd wave psycho drama queen feminism and I was so red-pilled that when I was in school around age 8-10 I was persistently disobedient with female teachers to the extent of saying things like, "women don't tell men what to do, I don't take orders from you" to female teachers, with such things continuing until my father intervened and said, "you're 9 years old, you're a boy not a man, not yet any way, you will listen to the orders of your female teachers." I then said, "what if they order me to hurl myself off the roof, or commit a crime, or set the school on fire?" and he said, "why do you always come up with outlandish outrageous examples that are clearly exceptions to the rule I just laid out" and I said, "well are you going to address my concerns, what if they give me outlandish outrageous examples? What if they order me to help Saddam Hussein smuggle oil, what then?" he said, "talking to you is giving me a headache."


As my [maternal] grandfather was in the hospital [the last week of his life] and told me, "I know I am going to die soon" we had a conversation of nearly 4 hours. He told me, "only now do I understand what you and your father told me about my daughter, I didn't want to believe it. I recently heard from so many men around town, she was the bicycle for the town, they called her barracuda, she aggressively pursued men for her own amusement and always went off with them in their cars." I didn't have the heart to tell him that his daughter was also an outright prostitute and that she prostituted herself. I saw him a Thursday and he died 6 days later on Wednesday. He had been in good spirits and said, "I have lived a long life, I am ready to die."


I have always been disgusted and repulsed by promiscuous women, sluts, prostitutes, strippers, camera-whores, adultresses, any women who engage in promiscuous activity or who have extra-marital relations. I caused stirs in classes as a young man for articulating that the penalty for adultery should be public stoning to death by the community.
 
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My mother went through 3 different custody/family law attorneys during the custody battle.

The first two quit on her because they found her to be disgusting and she insisted on trying to advance the absurd lie that my father was a molester. Her third attorney, a man, said to me, "now young man, I'm sure you want to help your mother, it is very important for your mother's case that you tell the judge in court that your father touches you underneath your pants."

I said, "But that isn't true, why would I lie to support the case of a woman I despise? What I am going to tell the judge is that you asked me to commit perjury for your client. I hope you get disbarred and wind up at Burger King flipping burgers."

The attorney called me a bunch of words I cannot post here and then never spoke to me again after that.

When we went into court and the judge found out about what the attorney was trying to push she was not amused with the situation.

My mother's second attorney, a woman, quit because of my mother's insistence on perjury. This attorney later encountered my father's attorney at a conference and asked her [they were both women] "what ever happened with the father and the boy, the one with the horrible mother?" and she was told, "the father got full custody" to which my mother's former attorney [#2] said, "oh thank God, that woman was a monster, the worst client I have ever had and the worst human being I ever encountered."

Her third and final attorney, the one who tried to coach me to engage in perjury, is now an aged-out bottom-feeding loser doing low-level bankruptcy cases for dead-beats and losers.
 
Regarding the correlation between IQ and being redpilled, former forum member AnonymousBosch had this interesting idea that people who tend to be the most susceptible to blue-pill propaganda are "mid-wits" - people who are above average in intelligence but aren't as smart as they imagine themselves to be. The example I think of would be your typical college-educated white collar worker. They are intelligent enough to handle the cognitive work of high-education and to process the information they are being fed but they aren't going to be original "outside of the box" thinkers.

People who are below average to average or are highly intelligent in the other hand to be more receptive to red-pill thinking. The below average people are inoculated from a lot of blue pill thinking. These people are weaker in abstract reasoning which means their thinking is not theory-based but primarily based on the concrete and what they observe directly - ie. they tend to be more "common sense" thinkers. They aren't going to buy into the a lot of what is being pushed by the technocratic elite simply because they aren't going to understand the convoluted explanations being given to justify what they are selling.

An example I would use is how each group reacts to transgender ideology. The justification for transgenderism being valid relies on a lot of theoretical concepts - the most fundamental being the contrast between gender and sex. The theory calls for people to deny the common sense of what they see and instead to use all this abstract reasoning and theory to explain it away. "Rachel Levine may appear to be merely a fat dude with long hair and makeup if you just believe what your eyes see but you can't believe what your eyes see. Here's all this theory that explains that she is actually a woman. "

If you are a typical blue pill mid-wit you would believe this because you are intelligent enough to being to understand the theory that justifies the illusion but not smart enough to point out some of the holes and absurd conclusions it leads to. The person on the lower side of the IQ spectrum simply wouldn't be able to comprehend the theory and would fall back to what his senses are telling him ("That ain't a woman that's a guy with eyeshadow") while the person on the higher side of the IQ spectrum would be able to understand the theory but would be able to point out the absurdities in it ("If gender is merely just how a person expresses oneself does and a person's identity is not linked to any sort of biological concept but is instead just completed located within his mind does that mean wiggers are actually white and transracialism is valid")


The underlying philosophy behind the trans-craze, that men and women are identical, women are just men without penises, is what constitutes the existential threat to society. The idea that the world is not binary, that sex is not binary, and that existence precedes essence and thus essence is really open to interpretation and essence can be changed on a whim because it only comes after existence. This is a direct threat to the philosophical underpinnings of Western civilization. It is existentialism for the masses. To accept the trans-craze is to boldly declare that God does not exist, there is no divine plan, there is no objective meaning to life, and that we are not made in the image of a creator, but that we make ourselves, even to the extent that we can supposedly change our very essence and nature.


That, more than anything, is why I [rightly] recognize the trans-craze as a corrosive liquid aimed at the philosophical foundation of the Western world. It is basically radical monism, merged with existentialism, being forced upon the masses.

We know essence precedes existence and our essence is fixed, it is immutable, it cannot change. We are made in the image of God and He makes us male or female.
 
I suppose I was red-pilled around age 5.

When I was 5 my father took me to preschool but about 25 minutes down the road he realized he had forgotten his briefcase, so we drove back home. By the time we had arrived home we had been gone for about 50 minutes. There was another car in the driveway, which was odd.

We went inside, I followed my father upstairs, and I stood in the hallway looking through the doorway of the spare room [and into the spare room] and saw my mother was in bed [naked] with another man [naked]. My father went into the doorway. The other man began to plead, "oh God don't kill me, please don't kill me, don't kill me, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, just let me go, don't kill me." He grabbed his clothing and dressed himself as quickly as possible and hurriedly left the house.

My mother threw a fit, insulted my father and accused him of invading her privacy and, "I hope you're happy, I have to see him at work tomorrow after you embarrassed me like this."

He took me and we left the house. We went to have lunch and I said to him, "Only you should get to be with her the way that man was. He knew what he was doing was wrong and he was afraid you were going to kill him for it, because he recognized and realized how wrong it was for him to do that with your wife. I think we should kill her, we'll be better off without her. If you want to kill her I'll help you. If you want to kill him I'll help you too. She dishonored you and she should die for it."

My father said, "we're not killing anybody."

Thanks for a good laugh-the way you build up the story and bam, start to quote how you talked. I can hardly imagine a five years old talking like this, it's hard to believe. Your father talking to you as if you were his intellectual equal.

I don't mean to mock here, I'm sorry for your case though, if true.
 

Grow Bag

Woodpecker
My experience with friends and family is that if you keep drip feeding them the red-pill, over time some do come over. I've got two mid-wit friends, one I'd say is about 115 IQ and the other 120ish and they're both on board now.

My mum hasn't taken the vaccine and, without my prompting, thinks something is badly amiss and refuses to watch the news these days. My younger brother, who obsessively watched the news, now no longer does.

Another friend, who's less bright than the first two, hasn't contacted me for 3 months (which is a sort of blessing, as he has lots of new-age beliefs that I don't like to hear and that he defends strongly when I challenge him). I noticed that he started pushing back in the months leading up to Christmas in regards to elite machinations behind CV19. A lot of that is arrogance and a false sense of his own superiority, being a guitarist of some note who didn't quite make the big time.

What may be significant is that my mum and my other two friends all read books, the musician friend doesn't. Reading at the very least exercises the imagination and at best avows one to challenging concepts to be reflected on. I'm no more than a mid-wit, but I've read a heck of a lot of books.
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
I suppose I was red-pilled around age 5.

When I was 5 my father took me to preschool but about 25 minutes down the road he realized he had forgotten his briefcase, so we drove back home. By the time we had arrived home we had been gone for about 50 minutes. There was another car in the driveway, which was odd.

We went inside, I followed my father upstairs, and I stood in the hallway looking through the doorway of the spare room [and into the spare room] and saw my mother was in bed [naked] with another man [naked]. My father went into the doorway. The other man began to plead, "oh God don't kill me, please don't kill me, don't kill me, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, just let me go, don't kill me." He grabbed his clothing and dressed himself as quickly as possible and hurriedly left the house.

My mother threw a fit, insulted my father and accused him of invading her privacy and, "I hope you're happy, I have to see him at work tomorrow after you embarrassed me like this."

He took me and we left the house. We went to have lunch and I said to him, "Only you should get to be with her the way that man was. He knew what he was doing was wrong and he was afraid you were going to kill him for it, because he recognized and realized how wrong it was for him to do that with your wife. I think we should kill her, we'll be better off without her. If you want to kill her I'll help you. If you want to kill him I'll help you too. She dishonored you and she should die for it."

My father said, "we're not killing anybody."

We talked about the situation. He asked me if I understood what was going on and I said, "I hate my mother and have always hated her, you should divorce her, we'll be better off without her, we don't need her, and we can get along fine on our own without her, you can do better than her. I hate her, I don't want her around, I want her out of my life. If you're not going to divorce her I may eventually kill her."


He filed for divorce shortly after. I was seriously like that as a five year old. As a child I would read encyclopedias, read the dictionary, read all manner of non-fictional books about history, read legal texts, read medical journals, and the like. When I saw my mother with that man and I saw the look of terror on his face combined with his pleas for his life, I knew right away what was going on, what he was doing, and why he was afraid that my father was possibly going to kill him, he was afraid because he knew that he had done something so detestable he deserved to die.

I was a fairly unusual child. My father told me I began to speak actual/articulate words around 8 months, full sentences around 12 months, with independent thoughts and meaningful intelligent questions about existence and the universe around 24-28 months, asking questions about "how was the moon formed?" "why does the moon exist?" "how did the Earth form?" "why does the Earth exist?" and making sarcastic joking remarks from 24 months to 36 months and verbally jabbing adults in obvious attempts to troll them around 3-5 years, saying things that were obviously calculated to annoy them.

The custody battle that lasted until I was about 11 was even more unusual. I learned very quickly how to size people up as a survival/defense/coping mechanism and how to avoid setting my mother off. I also learned to be very self-reliant because I understood, "if my mom can't be trusted to do anything except hurt me, how can I rely on strangers to do anything."


I ultimately spoke with the judge, alone, one on one, and said, "I often contemplate how to kill my mother and either stage it to look like an accident or a suicide, or I find myself contemplating taking my own life, but I ultimately conclude that murder is a sin and suicide is likewise wrong and that my path shouldn't end that way. I spent a lot of time at the library reading books on poison and wondering if I could poison her, what would show up on an autopsy, would anybody believe an 11 year old could do it, would I be investigated, would I be charged, would I be convicted, would it inconvenience my father to have to pay my defense costs, would God forgive me for such a horrid deed. I think my mother is evil and needs to die. If I have to live with her I will ultimately most likely kill myself although I may very well kill her. I've also thought about just finding some way to covertly overdose her on the drugs she is always taking. They are barbiturates and benzodiazepines. I wrote down the names from the bottles scattered around her pharmacy of a bedroom and I researched the medicines and their properties. I thought I could wait until she was unconscious in a stupor and find some way to administer a fatal overdose to her, she is always threatening to kill herself anyway. But as I said, I ultimately concluded it would be evil to commit such a killing. Any time I spend the night at her house I cry myself to sleep and pray to God that I die in my sleep or that I have the strength to finally kill her or kill myself. If I can't live with my father then I guess I would ultimately have to kill my mother and then you'll have to deal with a juvenile murder case."


The judge asked me about my home life when I was with my mother and I said, "she comes home, usually in some fit of rage from a problem at work, she's often coked out of her mind to boot, if she told me to mop the floor I will have the job done but she takes a small issue with the job and hits me in the face or smacks me with a wood cutting board, she goes around with strings of men and brings strings of men around, she prostitutes herself to some of them, they try to act like my friends but they're just men who are there to bed my mother, I hate her, I hate them. She has all sorts of different men hanging around her. She sleeps with colleagues, patients, subordinates, supervisors. She disgusts me. She seldom feeds me, often she beats me if I am in the kitchen without permission, she says I don't deserve food and that she wishes she had aborted me. She hangs around various degenerate lowlife men and uses cocaine with them. She then takes a lot of barbiturates and benzodiazepines and lapses into some semi-comatose state where it isn't possible to wake her even if you try, and then I usually leave her house and go to my father's because he never beats me, he makes several meals per day for me, and he doesn't support prostitution and he doesn't run around casually having hook-ups and meaningless encounters with losers that I don't want to be around. I don't believe I have ever done anything to her to deserve this and I want to have a life that doesn't involve her and where she doesn't have the ability to mess up what I want for myself and my future. Sometimes she says she will kill me and dispose of my body, she said she would drown me. I don't like being at her house or being around her. I don't ever want to see her again."

I was a fairly unusual child, I was very academic, I poured myself into my studies, I was one of the highest performing students in school, and I always had a single recurring thought in mind, "I must be as successful as possible so I never, under any circumstances, have to interact with my mother out of desperation due to some material deprivation that sees me going to her with hat in hand and asking for money or shelter and having to tolerate her controlling manipulative abuse."


Women around town insisted I was a problem child and my father was a bad husband and they went with my mother, "woe is me, I am the victim" story until she seduced their boyfriends, husbands, etc. My mother had affairs with no less than 11 men that my father confirmed/proved, during their approximately 6 years of marriage.

Ultimately my father received full/sole legal and physical custody, my mother's visitation/parental rights were terminated, she was ordered to pay child support [which she didn't pay, her wages were garnished by the court] and she left the state shortly after the custody battle was resolved.

I saw my mother as a poster-child of 2nd/3rd wave psycho drama queen feminism and I was so red-pilled that when I was in school around age 8-10 I was persistently disobedient with female teachers to the extent of saying things like, "women don't tell men what to do, I don't take orders from you" to female teachers, with such things continuing until my father intervened and said, "you're 9 years old, you're a boy not a man, not yet any way, you will listen to the orders of your female teachers." I then said, "what if they order me to hurl myself off the roof, or commit a crime, or set the school on fire?" and he said, "why do you always come up with outlandish outrageous examples that are clearly exceptions to the rule I just laid out" and I said, "well are you going to address my concerns, what if they give me outlandish outrageous examples? What if they order me to help Saddam Hussein smuggle oil, what then?" he said, "talking to you is giving me a headache."


As my [maternal] grandfather was in the hospital [the last week of his life] and told me, "I know I am going to die soon" we had a conversation of nearly 4 hours. He told me, "only now do I understand what you and your father told me about my daughter, I didn't want to believe it. I recently heard from so many men around town, she was the bicycle for the town, they called her barracuda, she aggressively pursued men for her own amusement and always went off with them in their cars." I didn't have the heart to tell him that his daughter was also an outright prostitute and that she prostituted herself. I saw him a Thursday and he died 6 days later on Wednesday. He had been in good spirits and said, "I have lived a long life, I am ready to die."


I have always been disgusted and repulsed by promiscuous women, sluts, prostitutes, strippers, camera-whores, adultresses, any women who engage in promiscuous activity or who have extra-marital relations. I caused stirs in classes as a young man for articulating that the penalty for adultery should be public stoning to death by the community.
Have you watched this series, The Chosen?
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
Reading at the very least exercises the imagination and at best avows one to challenging concepts to be reflected on. I'm no more than a mid-wit, but I've read a heck of a lot of books.
Readers are leaders, providentially and sovereignly designed, being compelled to influence for God or against Him. Leaders can be powerful or they can be seed sowers.
Sometimes, I find myself reading something, a life story perhaps and at some point may become unedifying in exposing a truth. At that point, I remove my attention from reading the rest of it, as truth in itself is what cruicified the Truth on the cross.

Truth in context of His law and grace is the most peaceful form of content there is.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Despite my post about intelligence and how it relates to being red pilled, I actually don't think it's the most important factor. Hence why I also brought up how un-educated and below average IQ people who wouldn't do well in situations/tasks where abstract reasoning is important can also be redpilled. I believe possessing certain personality traits are the more important factors when it comes to accepting a red-pill worldview. Having high levels of disagreeability and being cynical of accepted wisdom are more important than having a high IQ when it comes to becoming red pilled.

This forum has always had lots of people who have contrarian personalities - I include myself within that. This was true also way back when this was a purely travel/game forum. If you look at the other manosphere and PUA communities from the past decade you'll notice the same thing about it as well. PUA was about deprogramming guys from accepting the conventional "wisdom" on how modern women behave and showing the process of how relationships and sex actually happen. The bare truth about how women can be are too much for a lot of "normies" to handle so when they typically encounter this material they'll gasp and back away. Look at all the mainstream articles about the scene that came out in the early 2010s about the misogyny and toxic masculinity of PUA thought. This had the effect of filtering out the blue-pilled people (though the term didn't exist yet) who were afraid of deviating from the mainstream consensus and only leaving those who were open to alternative explanations and didn't buy into the mainstream narrative. The type of people here are going to be those with the personality traits that you find typically with red pillers: people with high levels of disagreeability - contrarian personalities.

Way back then the term red pill was specifically used in the context of people who were cynical about feminism and the mainstream consensus about how how dating and relationships should be done. It wasn't until 2015 that I started hearing people using in other contexts - mostly about challenging the mainstream consensus on politics, race, and other cultural issues. The red pill no longer was narrowly defined as skeptism on received wisdom on women and dating but about pretty much anything that is promoted by the mainstream narrative. The people within the various red-pill communities whether it be PUAs, MGTOW, general anti-feminism were already primed to be open to be red-pilled in other areas since they already saw how they had been lied to when it came to women and being jaded and cynical from that, were willing to hear other "forbidden truths".
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
Despite my post about intelligence and how it relates to being red pilled, I actually don't think it's the most important factor. Hence why I also brought up how un-educated and below average IQ people who wouldn't do well in situations/tasks where abstract reasoning is important can also be redpilled. I believe possessing certain personality traits are the more important factors when it comes to accepting a red-pill worldview. Having high levels of disagreeability and being cynical of accepted wisdom are more important than having a high IQ when it comes to becoming red pilled.

This forum has always had lots of people who have contrarian personalities - I include myself within that. This was true also way back when this was a purely travel/game forum. If you look at the other manosphere and PUA communities from the past decade you'll notice the same thing about it as well. PUA was about deprogramming guys from accepting the conventional "wisdom" on how modern women behave and showing the process of how relationships and sex actually happen. The bare truth about how women can be are too much for a lot of "normies" to handle so when they typically encounter this material they'll gasp and back away. Look at all the mainstream articles about the scene that came out in the early 2010s about the misogyny and toxic masculinity of PUA thought. This had the effect of filtering out the blue-pilled people (though the term didn't exist yet) who were afraid of deviating from the mainstream consensus and only leaving those who were open to alternative explanations and didn't buy into the mainstream narrative. The type of people here are going to be those with the personality traits that you find typically with red pillers: people with high levels of disagreeability - contrarian personalities.

Way back then the term red pill was specifically used in the context of people who were cynical about feminism and the mainstream consensus about how how dating and relationships should be done. It wasn't until 2015 that I started hearing people using in other contexts - mostly about challenging the mainstream consensus on politics, race, and other cultural issues. The red pill no longer was narrowly defined as skeptism on received wisdom on women and dating but about pretty much anything that is promoted by the mainstream narrative. The people within the various red-pill communities whether it be PUAs, MGTOW, general anti-feminism were already primed to be open to be red-pilled in other areas since they already saw how they had been lied to when it came to women and being jaded and cynical from that, were willing to hear other "forbidden truths".
I think spiritual IQ is a prerequisite.

By the way, what does your profile name mean and what does the picture symbol mean, if you don't mind sharing?
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
Despite my post about intelligence and how it relates to being red pilled, I actually don't think it's the most important factor. Hence why I also brought up how un-educated and below average IQ people who wouldn't do well in situations/tasks where abstract reasoning is important can also be redpilled. I believe possessing certain personality traits are the more important factors when it comes to accepting a red-pill worldview. Having high levels of disagreeability and being cynical of accepted wisdom are more important than having a high IQ when it comes to becoming red pilled.

This forum has always had lots of people who have contrarian personalities - I include myself within that. This was true also way back when this was a purely travel/game forum. If you look at the other manosphere and PUA communities from the past decade you'll notice the same thing about it as well. PUA was about deprogramming guys from accepting the conventional "wisdom" on how modern women behave and showing the process of how relationships and sex actually happen. The bare truth about how women can be are too much for a lot of "normies" to handle so when they typically encounter this material they'll gasp and back away. Look at all the mainstream articles about the scene that came out in the early 2010s about the misogyny and toxic masculinity of PUA thought. This had the effect of filtering out the blue-pilled people (though the term didn't exist yet) who were afraid of deviating from the mainstream consensus and only leaving those who were open to alternative explanations and didn't buy into the mainstream narrative. The type of people here are going to be those with the personality traits that you find typically with red pillers: people with high levels of disagreeability - contrarian personalities.

Way back then the term red pill was specifically used in the context of people who were cynical about feminism and the mainstream consensus about how how dating and relationships should be done. It wasn't until 2015 that I started hearing people using in other contexts - mostly about challenging the mainstream consensus on politics, race, and other cultural issues. The red pill no longer was narrowly defined as skeptism on received wisdom on women and dating but about pretty much anything that is promoted by the mainstream narrative. The people within the various red-pill communities whether it be PUAs, MGTOW, general anti-feminism were already primed to be open to be red-pilled in other areas since they already saw how they had been lied to when it came to women and being jaded and cynical from that, were willing to hear other "forbidden truths".
Yes, I have come to the conclusion that if we have to select a single angle, this is it. It made me ask a friend the other day (regarding Vigilant's response too) if there is some genetic basis even for the spiritual overlap. I provide the basis for this by showing how so many families, brothers and sisters for example, produced Saints. The spiritual part indeed has to be there somewhat, because one can be a pathological contrarian as well. It's not what I would call a natural contrarian, since these people get in a habit of just saying "No" to everything - they have no discernment.

The healthy way to think is to absorb that which is useful (almost a Bruce Lee ism) and discard that which is not. I think the most efficient (which is why generally disagreeable males are so good at it, when good) way to do this is to immediately consider something bullshit when offered up to you as an idea - that is, poke holes in it, test it, etc. - and you'll see why God always told his people to test his truth.

If God suggests being a contrarian (again, a healthy one), I think we should too. Agreeableness has its scenarios, but remember that its frailty is grand - madness of the crowds.
 

Vigilant

Woodpecker
Woman
Yes, I have come to the conclusion that if we have to select a single angle, this is it. It made me ask a friend the other day (regarding Vigilant's response too) if there is some genetic basis even for the spiritual overlap. I provide the basis for this by showing how so many families, brothers and sisters for example, produced Saints. The spiritual part indeed has to be there somewhat, because one can be a pathological contrarian as well. It's not what I would call a natural contrarian, since these people get in a habit of just saying "No" to everything - they have no discernment.

The healthy way to think is to absorb that which is useful (almost a Bruce Lee ism) and discard that which is not. I think the most efficient (which is why generally disagreeable males are so good at it, when good) way to do this is to immediately consider something bullshit when offered up to you as an idea - that is, poke holes in it, test it, etc. - and you'll see why God always told his people to test his truth.

If God suggests being a contrarian (again, a healthy one), I think we should too. Agreeableness has its scenarios, but remember that its frailty is grand - madness of the crowds.
Spiritual darkness affects IQ.
Edit - When spiritual lightness is preserved genetically then it increases genetic IQ in future generations.
 
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