What vaccines to give your children?

gent

Pigeon
I have a new baby being born soon, and I really need some input on what vaccines (if any) should be administered to him. I know the doctors have a quite aggressive schedule that they will push and I want to be prepared.

Personally I never even thought about vaccines before the last year and a half. I had all my shots when I was a kid and I got my first kid every shot that the doctors recommended. Now my trust in the medical establishment is significantly eroded, but I don't want to go off the deep end and potentially put my kid at risk for something by not vaccinating them. I know COVID is not a risk for children but other diseases are.

So I'm looking for advice from other parents and helpful research links. I am already familiar with the "children's health defense" website.
 

Elipe

Pelican
I asked a similar question on here:

Didn't get many responses. There are, however, several members on this forum that have stated that they do not give their kids any vaccines. And obviously, that's a very... strong position to take, so that's something I'd like to have an airtight case for doing before I go and do something like that. But I know plenty of people go with a reduced or slower vaccination schedule rather than going without altogether.

However, I cannot ignore the fact that many of those vaccines were developed and/or tested with stem cells from aborted fetuses. That presents a very good religious case for withdrawing vaccination. But I was asking in my other thread about if there were any ethical alternatives to those, and I got crickets. So I'm not sure RVF is really the right place to be asking that question.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
The most important thing is to refuse any vaccination they want to give your newborn on the day he is born (yes, they actually push that, insane as it sounds). Beyond that I can't offer any advice as I haven't looked into it. But your baby isn't going to get polio between 0 and 6 months. You can come back for vaccines later if you decide they are warranted.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
Health outcomes for vaccinated vs non vaccinated children (any vaccines)

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This was found in this study, which has since been retracted by the journal with no explanation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33266457/

Here's a video which shows similar data, which was verified by two other studies.

Conclusion: vaccines make people immensely less healthy. Do you have ADHD? That's because you were vaccinated as a child. Autism? Almost certainly vaccine related. Chronic respiratory illness such as asthma? Probably vaccine related. Ear infections? Vaccines. Children vaccinated in their first year were twice as likely to have developmental delays.
 

inthefade

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
Health outcomes for vaccinated vs non vaccinated children (any vaccines)

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This was found in this study, which has since been retracted with no explanation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33266457/

Here's a video which shows similar data, which was verified by two other studies.

Conclusion: vaccines make people immensely less healthy. Do you have ADHD? That's because you were vaccinated as a child. Autism? Almost certainly vaccine related. Chronic respiratory illness such as asthma? Probably vaccine related. Ear infections? Vaccines. Children vaccinated in their first year were twice as likely to have developmental delays.
I'm surprised they were able to even get data on unvaccinated children for study.
 

Brebelle3

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
My son is 8 months, no shots and no circumcision.

I am still researching the "vaccines ", but the more I pray about it, the more I believe God gave him an immune system for a reason.

He's very healthy, strong, trying to walk already, and smiles all the time. We'll be homeschooling him and raising him in the countryside.

Congratulations @gent on your new baby. Words can't describe the power of raising a child of God.
 

Mountaineer

Ostrich
Gold Member
None, it's a weapon of Satan, we cannot partake in evil to achieve good. It's not like antibiotics, it has human cells in it. Did God invent the vaccine? No. He gave us the immune system. If you accept this you will be responsible for any doom it brings to your child. I don't want to sound too radical but these days, if you don't say a firm 'no' you will come down with a landslide of sin.
 
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DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
None, it's a weapon of Satan, we cannot partake in evil to achieve good. It's not like antibiotics, it has human cells in it. Did God invent the vaccine? No. He gave us the immune system. If you accept this you will be responsible for any doom it brings to your child. I don't want to sound too radical but these days, if you don't say a firm 'no' you will come down with a landslide of sin.
Yes, now is the time wheat is being separated from the chaff. It is a blessing for us. If it weren't for the covid pandemic, I never would have looked into vaccines, and my child would most likely get whatever vaccines evil doctors recommend. Everyone needs to watch the video I linked above. Twice as many developmental delays, skyrocketing cancer, autism, asthma rates, all can be linked to vaccinations, and they're produced and tested immorally.
 

Elipe

Pelican
Did God invent the vaccine? No. He gave us the immune system.
Sure, but if we're talking about vaccination as the concept of stimulating the immune system to develop countermeasures to diseases, using a less virulent version of these diseases, what's so wrong about that? If you could separate the deactivated disease from the toxic materials in the vaccine, is that still so wrong?
 

Penitent

Robin
Orthodox
The most important thing is to refuse any vaccination they want to give your newborn on the day he is born.
The vaccine that is scheduled for day one is Hepatitis B. Hepatitis B is a disease that is spread mainly among people who use drugs injected with needles (heroin) or among sex workers. I doubt your newborn baby will be engaging in either of these activities, so definitely say no to this one and you will be off to a good start!
 

soli.deo.gloria

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Sure, but if we're talking about vaccination as the concept of stimulating the immune system to develop countermeasures to diseases, using a less virulent version of these diseases, what's so wrong about that? If you could separate the deactivated disease from the toxic materials in the vaccine, is that still so wrong?
I would be interested to hear the opinion of our resident biologist. He did a pretty good job talking about ADE so I suspect he might have some expertise. Seems like it might be a good topic for an article or even a dedicated stream if he were so inclined.
 

Harrington

Chicken
Orthodox
My daughter was born two months ago so I know where you're coming from. As others have said, I would generally avoid the very unnecessary "day 1" protocol that makes no sense (Hep B). We did allow them to give the vitamin K shot for clotting which is pretty benign. The dose is pretty small and aids in blood clotting. We haven't done anything since.

Worth doing your own research, but some things to generally be aware of below:

- Something like 75% of cases of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome ("SIDS") occur within 2 weeks of a vaccine. Obviously that doesn't guarantee causality, but something to consider
- The Dtap or TDap or whatever they call it requires FOUR injections if you begin the series in the first year of life; if you start it later they only do it once a year (this is a meaningful difference because part of the potential harm from vaccines comes from the compounding effect of heavy metals being injected in a short period of time)
- Supposedly a lot of research has been done on the individual vaccines given to children, but no research has been conducted on the impact of giving 3-4 of these vaccines sometimes in the same injection which is the standard practice for most pediatricians (the "cocktail"). We don't even do this as adults - something that really gave me pause
 
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Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
I'll again recommend RFK Jr who has been excellent on this topic. If i were expecting a child, I would be reading one of his books, as well as looking at what other countries recommend (Japan was mentioned above, but just keep in mind many other countries also freely mutilate genitals (South Korea) so don't just take their recommendation at face value).

I was unaware until now that RFK Jr has published an expose on The Real Anthony Fauci. You won't hear much about RFK Jr anymore, as a fair amount of his family has been exterminated and the remainders are mostly censored, but he is still extremely popular with those who know him.

There are plenty of maladies which are suspected to be caused by vaccination (autism, allergies, asthma, lowered IQ, SIDS, etc.) and the best the pro-vaxxers have to say is that the cause of these things are inconclusive. They don't even have an alternate theory as to why, for example, over a million American kids are now allergic to PEANUTS, which is just insane, but expect us to ignore the most reasonable theory yet presented: that it is caused by vaccination.

Excuse me, but unless a more believable hypothesis for these maladies is presented, I'm going to severely limit vaccination.

 

gent

Pigeon
Thanks all for your comments.

- The Dtap or TDap or whatever they call it requires FOUR injections if you begin the series in the first year of life; if you start it later they only do it once a year (this is a meaningful difference because part of the potential harm from vaccines comes from the compounding effect of heavy metals being injected in a short period of time)
I've heard basically that the whooping cough is very risky for infants and that's why they even try to vaccinate the mother while they're in the womb (my wife declined the shot). How do you feel about it? 4 definitely seems like a lot for sure.
 

Mountaineer

Ostrich
Gold Member
Sure, but if we're talking about vaccination as the concept of stimulating the immune system to develop countermeasures to diseases, using a less virulent version of these diseases, what's so wrong about that? If you could separate the deactivated disease from the toxic materials in the vaccine, is that still so wrong?
If the thing has human cells in it there's no discussion, weighing the evil, coming with plus points. He wants you to rationalize it. The shot is of the devil and should be rejected full stop.
 
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