What vaccines to give your children?

[Max Roscoe]

To answer the thread question: what vaccines to give to a child or even an adult?

Absolutely none. Zero. My grandparents generation none of them vaccinated yet lived longer and in great health.
Even as an adult you should avoid all vaccines. The travel ones are useless and have nasty side effects that creep up on you . If you are a female then I pray you avoid pure toxins like Gardasil that can literally paralyze you.

What are some of the dangers of these "travel vaccines"?

I have always been moderately anti-vax (I had a couple that were required for school but stopped by college, even though they claimed one was required, no one ever asked me for proof). But I have willingly taken the African ones like yellow fever. Africa is a rather dangerous place. A couple of friends were in the peace corps there and told stories of these parasites that lived in the lakes right by their house that could swim inside your body and kill you if you ingested any water while swimming.

It's such a wild, natural place that I figured the risk of the crappy vaccine was worth it. Plus they are good for at least a decade. I'm much more suspicious of the ones like the flu that they want you to take every year.

 

[Celibate Warrior21]

' What vaccine to give your children?"

Absolutely nothing.

The lord made us natural, to the point we don't need vaccine. Vaccines and most pills are to make money because of nasty side effects. Pharmacies are natural people killers man. If we lean on natural cures and remedies instead of fake synthetic crap you put in your bodies, a lot of folks would still be alive and healthy today.

Exercise, good diet, natural remedies and cures, sunlight and good weather is what most people need instead of vaccines and pills.

and oh yeah, I believe we've already found the cure for diseases like cancer but they won't release it because they make way too much money off the radiation treatments.

 

[Zach]

This graph is disingenuous and is a prime example of why I cringe at the antivaxx movement.

"Vaccine in widespread use", what does that even mean? How many people were vaccinated? I hate being the, " what's your source guy" but this graph doesn't have anything referencing it.

I swear, the people who push this stuff must have failed high school stats class. These are always filled with weasel words.

The pertussis vaccine was invented in 1920s and was being administered well before your 1946 date.

My kids are getting all of their vaccines. I'm sorry that this makes you seethe.

Where are you getting this 1920 date. CDC says it was first available in the 1940's to the public. I'm seeing that it was invented in the 30's. The graph looks correct.

 

[Durden347]

None at this point. They rarely work. Also stay away from flu shots because they are pointless. Absolutely no COVID19 shots. I am at this point where I think parents that force their child to get this shot deserve to be punished by the law. But then again this is Clown World and these COVID jab mandates will get worse.

 

[DanielH]

Health outcomes for vaccinated vs non vaccinated children (any vaccines)

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This was found in this study, which has since been retracted by the journal with no explanation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33266457/

Here's a video which shows similar data, which was verified by two other studies.


Conclusion: vaccines make people immensely less healthy. Do you have ADHD? That's because you were vaccinated as a child. Autism? Almost certainly vaccine related. Chronic respiratory illness such as asthma? Probably vaccine related. Ear infections? Vaccines. Children vaccinated in their first year were twice as likely to have developmental delays.

I'm bumping this post to explain why the article was retracted and to give some more highlights of it. It was retracted for two errors that didn't affect the graph I shared in the quoted post, and were only in the abstract. "There were two errors in the original article [1]. The ADHD rate reported in the Abstract in the vaccinated should be 5.3%, not 0.063% The error was due to counting office visits instead of incidence and failing to convert the probability to a percentage. Similarly, the correct study-wide ASD rate reported is 0.361%, not 0.84% The error was due to counting office visits instead of incidence, but the conversion of probability to percentage was correct. "

The corrected abstract is here: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/3/936/htm
The full study (ignore the abstract, the rest is fine) is here https://europepmc.org/article/MED/33266457

of the over 550 unvaccinated children this study observed, not one of the unvaccinated children was diagnosed with ADHD, despite the corrected abstract citing a 9.3% nationwide rate of ADHD.

From the same study, here are the fever rates versus the relative amounts of vaccines taken. Zero to the left, presumably the full schedule or more to the right:



If I'm reading that right, it seems one may conclude that the majority of fevers are caused indirectly or directly by vaccines. This is potentially good evidence for terrain theory, that it is not a germ causing the majority of fevers, but an accumulation of pollutants in your body beyond what your body can handle.

Anecdotally I found a pediatrician that would accept non vaccinated children, I was still talked down to by the pediatrician, but one psychotic thing I noticed was in the lobby they had a powerpoint type screen with a slide that said children under 8 should consider getting two flu shots annually, - because small children clearly need more mercury (neurological & muscular impairment and carcinogenic) and formaldehyde (poisonous and carcinogenic) in their lives. Just insanity.

 

[Padouk]

Whether you eat it or inject it, the body breaks it down the same way. I don't know how to explain it any other way. Just because something goes through the stomach, doesn't mean it will break it down.

For someone who claims to come from medical background, that's awfully ignorant. What do you think the purpose of a digestive system is?

Why don't you just inject yourself with amino acids, glucose and fatty acids and forget about all that chewing business. LOL

Here's a fun experiment you can do at home. Stomach acid is hydrochloric acid. Take your scary vaccine chemicals and plop it into a glass container of hydrochloric acid, does it dissolve or not? If it doesn't, then you can surmise that when you naturally eat it that the chemicals aren't getting dissolved by your stomach. This is simple high school tier science.

Even if not broken down by the acid, when they pass through the digestive tract the chemicals can get easily and quickly expelled. If too dangerous, they get even quicker expelled via vomiting and/or diarrhea. When injected into the blood stream, they have to go through a more difficult route of detoxification that is not even guaranteed to succeed.

 

[NormanMenschensohn]

No vaccinations whatsoever.

There is NO (absolutely no) evidence of the existence of any virus. Google Dr. Stefan Lanka (from Germany) and Andrew Kaufman (from US). Kaufman also just released a movie on this subject: https://terrainthefilm.com/

Also with regards to pathogenic bacteria/germs: There is NO evidence that they are the ones causing disease. All of them can also be found in healthy humans.

If germs/viruses don't cause disease, then what does? The answer can be found when researching the NEW (Germanic) MEDICINE of Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer.

I will soon post more about this here. Stay tuned!

 

[thatWay]

I'm bumping this post to explain why the article was retracted and to give some more highlights of it. It was retracted for two errors that didn't affect the graph I shared in the quoted post, and were only in the abstract. "There were two errors in the original article [1]. The ADHD rate reported in the Abstract in the vaccinated should be 5.3%, not 0.063% The error was due to counting office visits instead of incidence and failing to convert the probability to a percentage. Similarly, the correct study-wide ASD rate reported is 0.361%, not 0.84% The error was due to counting office visits instead of incidence, but the conversion of probability to percentage was correct. "

The corrected abstract is here: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/3/936/htm
The full study (ignore the abstract, the rest is fine) is here https://europepmc.org/article/MED/33266457

of the over 550 unvaccinated children this study observed, not one of the unvaccinated children was diagnosed with ADHD, despite the corrected abstract citing a 9.3% nationwide rate of ADHD.

From the same study, here are the fever rates versus the relative amounts of vaccines taken. Zero to the left, presumably the full schedule or more to the right:

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If I'm reading that right, it seems one may conclude that the majority of fevers are caused indirectly or directly by vaccines. This is potentially good evidence for terrain theory, that it is not a germ causing the majority of fevers, but an accumulation of pollutants in your body beyond what your body can handle.

Anecdotally I found a pediatrician that would accept non vaccinated children, I was still talked down to by the pediatrician, but one psychotic thing I noticed was in the lobby they had a powerpoint type screen with a slide that said children under 8 should consider getting two flu shots annually, - because small children clearly need more mercury (neurological & muscular impairment and carcinogenic) and formaldehyde (poisonous and carcinogenic) in their lives. Just insanity.

Very interesting. How I interpret it is that the most vaccinated are weakened and thus more susceptible to disease.
Another thing that comes to mind is that parents who don't vaccinate are less likely to take their kids to the doctor or buy into ADHD, which might be an overused diagnosis to get kids on medication.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

 

[inthefade]

On the Internet, you can find a lot of materials on the topic that a child should not be vaccinated before a year because this is a huge blow to his body. But unfortunately, diseases such as hepatitis B, tuberculosis, diphtheria, whooping cough, and several other infectious diseases threaten children from birth. And only vaccination can protect a child from them. Remember that if a child is not vaccinated, the main danger is borne by the surrounding people (parents, relatives, peers, etc.). Because they are not sick due to vaccination, they can be carriers of these infections. I was informed about this by the educators from the organization https://fosterplus.org when I was applying for guardianship.

Did you join just to post this nonsense?

 

[Elipe]

On the Internet, you can find a lot of materials on the topic that a child should not be vaccinated before a year because this is a huge blow to his body. But unfortunately, diseases such as hepatitis B, tuberculosis, diphtheria, whooping cough, and several other infectious diseases threaten children from birth. And only vaccination can protect a child from them. Remember that if a child is not vaccinated, the main danger is borne by the surrounding people (parents, relatives, peers, etc.). Because they are not sick due to vaccination, they can be carriers of these infections. I was informed about this by the educators from the organization https://fosterplus.org when I was applying for guardianship.

Hepatitis B... ok... if you have relatives that are giving your baby Hepatitis B you've got way bigger problems than not vaccinating your baby.

 

[andy dufresne]

None. Don't do it. Nada.

 

[CollinG]

Assuming my future wife has no complications or abnormalities, I plan on opting for a home birth, or for birthing at a place like The Farm Community in Tennessee. A cold, inhumane hospital room is no place to celebrate the birth of new life. Plus no one will be pushing vaccines on you. Literally thousands of women give birth every day, and have throughout history, as have all animals, without the aid of doctors.

http://thefarmmidwives.org/

It's true that dying in childbirth was a more common thing in the past, which is why it's good to use a service like the above, instead of just relying on the baby to naturally come on its own. They have an extremely qualified staff and have arrangements to get medical care promptly at a hospital if it is needed. There are cabins nearby you can rent... it sounds like a lovely way to welcome a child into the world!

I've heard pretty great things about The Farm. We're also in Middle Tennessee and considered them. We ultimately went with Sheryl Shaffer of Cane Creek Midwifery as our midwife, who I'd also highly recommend checking out when the time comes. As long as she's still practicing, we will use her for all of our future births as well. There's a few really good options in this area and we found the best approach is just to interview a few and see who you click with since it's just a deeply personal experience. I cannot recommend a home birth highly enough. It's a really incredible spiritual experience (not to mention healthier for mom and baby).

 

[CollinG]

I'd encourage you to do a deep dive into the studies and arguments being presented by both sides. Go into it with an open mind and read what both sides are presenting as evidence. JB Handley does a great job of curating a collection of the most recent research that supports the anti-vax argument and there's a number of people and places where you can find the pro-vax ones. After coming in as a relatively pro-vax person and reading both sides, I thought the evidence was absolutely damning and we won't be vaccinating our daughter or any future kids.

To try to sum up shortly, the main anti-vax argument is that the aluminum in vaccines is what's causing harm in young, developing bodies and brains. And not specifically the aluminum in any one vaccine, but rather the cumulative amount from receiving multiple vaccines at once. The most recent studies have shown that there is a chronic, low-grade inflammation in the brains of autistic children. There is also a study that appears to link the onset of autism to some sort of immune activation event in a developing brain, which would seem to line up with the inflammation in the brains of autistic children because the immune system is constantly activated. The main point of aluminum in vaccines is to cause an immune activation response in the body, otherwise it won't react to the weakened virus in a way that gives some lasting immunity. Not only is aluminum able to cross the blood brain barrier, but there is also a study that has shown significantly higher amounts of aluminum in the brain tissue of autistic children. All this seems to me to heavily suggest that the argument that the cumulative amount of aluminum from multiple vaccines is what is causing the autism epidemic. Add in the massive number of parents of autistic kids who say their kids started showing symptoms after receiving multiples vaccines at once and got worse immediately following other vaccines. That's to say nothing of the fact that vaccinated kids also have higher rates of so many other disorders like adhd, asthma, etc.

The pro-vax argument basically says that we have 27 studies that prove that vaccines are safe and effective. About half of these are studies that study the side effects of a single vaccine. The other half study the potential danger of the mercury additive. Then there's a handful that are meta studies of those other studies. Not a single study presented by the pro-vax side studies the effects of multiple vaccines given at once or the potential effects of aluminum. Not a single one. Nor are there any real studies presented that study un-vaxed vs vaxed kids. There's a study that claims to compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated. But when you actually read the details, the vaccinated cohort is fully vaccinated kids who got the MMR vaccine and the "unvaccinated" cohort is kids who are otherwise fully vaccinated but didn't get the MMR vaccine. It's all so disingenuous.

That's a way too brief summation, but all that had me heavily leaning towards no vaccine. The final straw for me was the Gardasil study. There were 3 groups. Vaccine, aluminum adjuvant only and saline. The vaccine group had 2.3% develop some sort of autoimune condition within the next 6 months. The aluminum only group also had 2.3% develop an autoimmune condition. The saline group had 0. But when the study was finalized and presented, the aluminum and saline groups were combined as the placebo group, therefore showing that the vaccine group had 2.3% adverse events and the placebo group had 2.3% adverse events. This was trotted out as "proving" that the vaccine wasn't causing issues. If anything, it proved that, as theorized by the anti-vax group, it was the aluminum that's causing issues.

It would be so easy to run studies on either aluminum containing vaccine vs. true placebo or fully vaccinated vs. entirely unvaccinated but they just don't do it (in fact, there are meta studies being done by the other side on vaxed vs. un-vaxed and it's showing exactly as they expected). Instead they keep trotting out the same garbage studies that don't ever address the actual issue being raised and claim the science it settled. One side is presenting actual data and studies to back up their theory and with every passing year those studies are backing it up more and more. The other side is either throwing out a bunch of disingenuous bs not touching on the real issue or outright lying to "prove" their point. My trust in our current medical institutions and regulatory agencies is probably forever lost because I can't unsee what I've seen.

 

[Blade Runner]

There are many difficulties and things taken for granted in modern life. I am a skeptic of certain things more than ever now that we have seen what we have seen (particularly in the covidism realm) as @CollinG has stated, but I'm medically trained and see some historical value in particular jabs, such as HepB. The thinking a lot of times is confounded by the same problematic thinking that modern "cancers" are more prevalent, when in reality there are just more people, more low quality people on average, and we figured out all the other stuff mostly to keep people alive to die from ... cancer. Similar with jabs, some are ok, most are probably lied about or overdone (modern garbage like gardasil, recurring flu shots, covid injections, etc obviously) as part of the medical industrial complex. I don't think people are particularly honest about just how average to bad the common citizen is around the world because of so many positive changes for health, standards of living, etc. and all the other unnnatural dysgenic factors (welfare, money printing for other things) contributed to by the western world which solved a lot of "suffering". I don't mean that to be annoying or boastful/elitist but it also led to more single mothers and lower quality people socially, en masse. With more men you're going to bring down the average testosterone and sperm counts, as I've posted on other threads. It just shows you that ecologically things are going on and we can't have a Babel or utopia, as we all know but often forget. In summary, most of the modern age is a "be careful what you wish for" experiment on many levels. Now, the "leaders" are calling in various ways for the piper to be paid, as most of the last 80 years was in fact, unnatural for the developed world and its offshoot contributions to the 3rd world, if we are honest. Sad, but true, ultimately.

 

[RedLagoon]

The amount of shills on the "vaccine" subject should answer anyone's question.

Unbelievable

 

[STG]

Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History

This book exposes the fraud of vaccines, going back to the fraud of the first vaccine. The idea that smallpox was defeated by the vaccine is a lie.

None of the vaccines do what they were suppose to do. Its one of the largest cases of fraud on man.

The book also talks about old forgotten therapies that have been replaced by Big Pharma. There is a disease that the medical establishment said was caused by an infectious virus, but was just a B vitamin deficiency and had nothing to do with a pathogen.

This book came out long before COVID and when I read this in the book I was surprised:

"When it was clear that the smallpox vaccine was not able to prevent disease, the medical profession tried to justify vaccination by changing the goalposts from lifelong “perfect” immunity to “milder disease.”

 

[Easy_C]

Actual answer that used to be the case for people: if you have a high risk of encountering a sufficiently dangerous disease. It's a bit of a regional answer. In the US most of these are rare. If you're in a poorer southern hemisphere country there are certain diseases which are common and pose enough of a risk to offset the risk of a shot.

 

[Chiosboy90]

Whats your take on meningococcal vaccine? My wife wants to give it to our 3 year old but after the corona hoax and I read that in my country 60 cases per year get it with a heavy outcome, my gut tells me not do it. Its also as others pointed hard to do any research cause you will visit the same sites that advocated for Corona and other nonsense vaccines...

 

[Elipe]

Whats your take on meningococcal vaccine? My wife wants to give it to our 3 year old but after the corona hoax and I read that in my country 60 cases per year get it with a heavy outcome, my gut tells me not do it. Its also as others pointed hard to do any research cause you will visit the same sites that advocated for Corona and other nonsense vaccines...

I'm now at the point where I start questioning how those babies are getting those diseases. Aren't most of those deadly childhood diseases the kind that spread more because of bad sanitation than oops a random affluent white person with clearly no medical or hygenic problem just breathed on your baby.