What vaccines to give your children?

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher


Now all the masters knows that you need the glow,
You need the glow, the glow to grow.
If you love to live, you live to love,
Hah, you got to move to the upper level.
Cos When you got the glow, there aint no stopping,
what you want to do.
hah, oh.
To reach that upper level,
your mind, body and soul must be one.
It's a sacrifice, it takes hard work,
It's a way of life.
When you got the glow, you feel the one,
(You feel the one)
When you got the glow, Your body's gold,
(Your body's gold)
So don't let go, of the power of elevation.
(Power)
Shine on,
Shine on,
Shine on,
shine on,
Get the glow, Get the glow, Get the glow, grow.
Everybody knows that you need the glow,
You need the glow, the glow to grow.
And if you love to live, you live the life the way you love,
The love you take the gift.
Cos when you got the glow, you see it on your face,
You feel it in your head, people understand,
That you've got the glow, and they're beware,
Cos the power's there when you got the glow.
Well, when you reach that upper level, Your mind body and soul will be one.
Hah!
It's a sacrifice, it takes hard work,
It's a way of life.
When you got the glow, you feel the one,
When you got the glow, Your body's gold,
So don't let go, of the power of elevation.
Cos when you got the glow, when you got the glow,
(When you got the glow)
Everybody know and I'm friend and foe,
They'll all beware, they'll all beware,
(When you got the glow)
Cos they know that you got the fire there.
When you got the glow, when you got the glow,
(When you got the glow)
They'll all beware, they'll all beware.
Cos they know, they know, they know, they know, they know
(When you got the glow)
They know you got the glow, the glow to grow.

Very helpful, thanks.
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
Does anyone have any experience of alternate vaccine schedules in the UK?

I am 3 months away from having to make a decision on what to do about vaccines and with the NHS its going to be difficult. Anyone have any knowledge about private healthcare providers with regards to this?
I don't understand what you're asking.

Doesn't google work in the UK and you can use it to find a pro-vax choice pediatrician?

What do you mean by "difficult"? As in, some nurses may disagree with your choice? Well welcome to being a parent and sticking up for what you believe in.

We've had nurses/pediatricians disagree with us from day 1. Oh well. I just make clear we're not debating the topic. Either provide the service we request or we'll go elsewhere. Our children are our responsibility, not theirs. We would deal with the consequences, not them.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
Anyway, thanks to those who posted above with their own, well reasoned, opinions.

Is there any "one stop shop" resource explaining the science behind a newborn no vaccine position, preferably a published book, rather than a website. Something with less rhetoric, more facts?

There are of course plenty of shill books and sites to debunk the unvaxxed position, but it's harder to find resources for the other side.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
I don't understand what you're asking.

Doesn't google work in the UK and you can use it to find a pro-vax choice pediatrician?

What do you mean by "difficult"? As in, some nurses may disagree with your choice? Well welcome to being a parent and sticking up for what you believe in.

We've had nurses/pediatricians disagree with us from day 1. Oh well. I just make clear we're not debating the topic. Either provide the service we request or we'll go elsewhere. Our children are our responsibility, not theirs. We would deal with the consequences, not them.
So, the health system in the UK is provided as a service for everyone, it is "free" i.e. taxes pay for it. It provides some of the best healthcare in the world, but also some really poor healthcare.
Basically, you can get any first world treatment on the NHS.
The downside to the NHS is it is just another government department with all the negatives inherent to a government department. They have a tendency to hire managers to determine the best way to provide healthcare rather than doctors and nurses to actually provide healthcare, for example. Therefore there are massive waiting lists for basically any treatment.

Private healthcare is exactly the same as the NHS, in its provision of healthcare, though without the anchor of the massive managerial class holding it back, nor the slow to act nature of government.

An example of the difference is, I busy my knee in the army, the NHS sent me for 3 physio appointments before sending me for an MRI. I was sent for the MRI 2 years after I first began NHS treatment. And only because I refused the fourth MRI stating that it was structural damage to my knee that was the problem. The NHS knew this, but because I couldn't get an MRI for 2 years (despite attending a worldwide centre of excellence for knee injuries) they sent me for repeated physios. The physios were to just keep me from complaining because something was being done. And I wasted two physio appointments that might have helped someone else.

Had I gone private I would have had the MRI within a couple of weeks to 2 months and a treatment plan based on that.

So basically, healthcare in the UK is like public transport, the government will get you there eventually (maybe late) but hire a private vehicle and you get there sooner and easier.

Finding a family doctor (a GP - general practitioner) who goes against the governor edicts is near impossible, and private healthcare is more private hospitals than family care.

Though GPs and dentists are private healthcare providers that contract to do NHS work (hence they mostly follow government edicts or lose their business).

Hope that explains the Byzantine nature of UK healthcare.

Also, money is not an issue for my family's healthcare, so private healthcare is my primary care pathway if I am going to stray from the NHS method.

Finally the NHS is designed to provide the best level of healthcare to the public, not the individual (the greater good), so a one size fits all philosophy is how they operate. 5 dead babies from a vaccine is acceptable to them rather than 3 dead babies from meningitis, plus the cost of treatment of 50 babies sick with meningitis.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
So, can you prove it? You have isolated what you claim is a virus, introduced it to healthy tissue, and reproduced symptoms? No one is saying you didn't see something under a microscope.
Well, I havent infected anyone with a virus, im not Mengele or Fauci.

But, yes I have observed what is a virus, seen it "infect" "healthy" cells and have seen the results. The fact that you say the sentence "a virus, introduced it to healthy tissue, and reproduced symptoms", show that you dont really have an understanding of what viruses are, what they do, and what they do it to!

Let me ask you a question, do you believe that there is such a thing as gene therapy/modification and if yes, how do you think it could be done?

To be clear, I mostly worked with phages and bacteria, some viruses and some cancer cells, and the use of various foods/drinks that could potentially protect against viruses/bacteria/cancer. The short answer is, if you have a drink (green tea for example) and it has been rumored to have medicinal benefits, it probably does. Drink a tiny amount, it does nothing, drink a little more, it may be protective to a small degree, drink a bucketload, it will be more dangerous that smoking a packet of cigarettes. Surprising, right?
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
To get back to the point, does anyone recommend a single point of reference, like a particular book, that would be a good source for a lot of information from the no vaccination side?
Something with a bit more information, a bit less rhetoric?
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
To get back to the point, does anyone recommend a single point of reference, like a particular book, that would be a good source for a lot of information from the no vaccination side?
Something with a bit more information, a bit less rhetoric?
What happens if you tell the NHS pediatrician you want a delayed schedule? In the states they may simply not take your child on as a patient.

What happens regarding daycare/schools if your child isn't on a regular vax schedule?

What happens if you don't vax at all?

In the states pretty much all pediatricians do is pump toddlers full of vaccines so if you don't vax, you don't really need a pediatrician.
 

inthefade

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
But, yes I have observed what is a virus, seen it "infect" "healthy" cells and have seen the results. The fact that you say the sentence "a virus, introduced it to healthy tissue, and reproduced symptoms", show that you dont really have an understanding of what viruses are, what they do, and what they do it to!
Define a virus for me please.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
What happens if you tell the NHS pediatrician you want a delayed schedule? In the states they may simply not take your child on as a patient.

What happens regarding daycare/schools if your child isn't on a regular vax schedule?

What happens if you don't vax at all?

In the states pretty much all pediatricians do is pump toddlers full of vaccines so if you don't vax, you don't really need a pediatrician.
Honestly, I have no idea! I was hoping someone in the UK would have experienced this and have some tips.

To be clear, you dont get a paediatrician in the UK until your child is sick enough to go to hospital, all out patient care is taken care of by a General Practioner. You can have private consultations with specialist doctors, but this is on a pay-to-play basis, or provided by health insurance and is generally used when you actually have an ailment.

A major worry is that a lack of vaccinations would invalidate any health insurance, leaving my child to the not so tender mercies of the NHS.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
Define a virus for me please.
No.

Use a search engine, or read a book.

Im not here to debate nonsense ideas like viruses dont exist, they do, it may not fit your worldview or particular cognitive biases, but thats the way it is.

There is a thread for that nonsense.

I specifically said, Im looking for practical advice regarding newborn vaccination schedules in the UK and/or specific links to any resources that show the no vaxx side of the argument that I can use to formulate my own opinion on the subject.

If your view is viruses dont exist, then I cannot and will not take any advice from you on any subject, let alone something as important as the wellbeing of my child. The drunk guy I met in the pizza shop tonight, who totally mistook me for his best mate, has more intellectual credibility with me than anyone who states something like that. It might work with people who have zero understanding of real science, but with anyone with a modicum of knowledge, you would be better off just telling them that a vaccine is actually a jewish crewed submarine, that is miniaturised, then injected into a person to subvert them from within.

Imagine if I say to the missus, "Had a look on the internet, random person I dont know says viruses dont exist, so we are sorted, nothing to worry about." Do you think that will soothe the worried and caring motherly instincts of a woman approaching the birth of her first child, or will she just sigh in that way every man knows.

Other than looking for a gif of a kid with Downs Syndrome slamming into a door marked "pull" over and over, i cant see how to explain any better how your point of view and your delivery of your argument is wrong on so many levels right now.
 

Jive Turkey

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
No.

Use a search engine, or read a book.

Im not here to debate nonsense ideas like viruses dont exist, they do, it may not fit your worldview or particular cognitive biases, but thats the way it is.

There is a thread for that nonsense.

I specifically said, Im looking for practical advice regarding newborn vaccination schedules in the UK and/or specific links to any resources that show the no vaxx side of the argument that I can use to formulate my own opinion on the subject.

If your view is viruses dont exist, then I cannot and will not take any advice from you on any subject, let alone something as important as the wellbeing of my child. The drunk guy I met in the pizza shop tonight, who totally mistook me for his best mate, has more intellectual credibility with me than anyone who states something like that. It might work with people who have zero understanding of real science, but with anyone with a modicum of knowledge, you would be better off just telling them that a vaccine is actually a jewish crewed submarine, that is miniaturised, then injected into a person to subvert them from within.

Imagine if I say to the missus, "Had a look on the internet, random person I dont know says viruses dont exist, so we are sorted, nothing to worry about." Do you think that will soothe the worried and caring motherly instincts of a woman approaching the birth of her first child, or will she just sigh in that way every man knows.

Other than looking for a gif of a kid with Downs Syndrome slamming into a door marked "pull" over and over, i cant see how to explain any better how your point of view and your delivery of your argument is wrong on so many levels right now.
Roosh has a BA in microbiology and is virus skeptical. The more you study biology the more you realize they basically make a LOT of stuff up. IE, what kind of energy is released in an ATP reaction and by what mechanism is this energy captured. I asked this to several biology PhDs and even though they taught it to their students every year they had no answer for a question that went a little below the surface.
 

CollinG

Chicken
Protestant
Anyway, thanks to those who posted above with their own, well reasoned, opinions.

Is there any "one stop shop" resource explaining the science behind a newborn no vaccine position, preferably a published book, rather than a website. Something with less rhetoric, more facts?

There are of course plenty of shill books and sites to debunk the unvaxxed position, but it's harder to find resources for the other side.
How to End The Autism Epidemic by J.B. Handley. You'll get a little of his and his son's story mixed in, but for the most part it just walks through every single argument "proving" they're safe and why they don't stand up, then shows all of the research suggesting that they do in fact cause autism. Every point he makes is backed up by a good amount of solid research, which he cites. It also gets into the character assassination that's being done on the most vocal opponents of vaccines. Easily the most comprehensive, well-articulated source out there on the dangers of vaccines
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
How to End The Autism Epidemic by J.B. Handley. You'll get a little of his and his son's story mixed in, but for the most part it just walks through every single argument "proving" they're safe and why they don't stand up, then shows all of the research suggesting that they do in fact cause autism. Every point he makes is backed up by a good amount of solid research, which he cites. It also gets into the character assassination that's being done on the most vocal opponents of vaccines. Easily the most comprehensive, well-articulated source out there on the dangers of vaccines
Perfect, thanks.
 

AxelRoy

Chicken
Orthodox
Once my friend from remedigap.com told me such a thing: “My friend, you should never ask for financial, law or medical advice on the Internet.” 5 years have passed since he told me that, and I still try to stick to this rule. So, you’d rather visit your doctor to receive good vaccine advice. I mean, doctors studied to become doctors. Forum repliers mostly didn’t study to become doctors. I’m sorry if I’ve offended someone. So, I hope you’ve understood me correctly. Actually, there are a lot of official resources on the Internet about vaccines, so I’d highly recommend you look through them too. Best wishes.
 

SeekingTruth

Kingfisher
Catholic
To get back to the point, does anyone recommend a single point of reference, like a particular book, that would be a good source for a lot of information from the no vaccination side?
Something with a bit more information, a bit less rhetoric?
A few I’ve come across but have yet to read on vaccines:


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Amazon product
 

san26

Pigeon
Orthodox
No.

Use a search engine, or read a book.

Im not here to debate nonsense ideas like viruses dont exist, they do, it may not fit your worldview or particular cognitive biases, but thats the way it is.

There is a thread for that nonsense.

I specifically said, Im looking for practical advice regarding newborn vaccination schedules in the UK and/or specific links to any resources that show the no vaxx side of the argument that I can use to formulate my own opinion on the subject.

If your view is viruses dont exist, then I cannot and will not take any advice from you on any subject, let alone something as important as the wellbeing of my child. The drunk guy I met in the pizza shop tonight, who totally mistook me for his best mate, has more intellectual credibility with me than anyone who states something like that. It might work with people who have zero understanding of real science, but with anyone with a modicum of knowledge, you would be better off just telling them that a vaccine is actually a jewish crewed submarine, that is miniaturised, then injected into a person to subvert them from within.

Imagine if I say to the missus, "Had a look on the internet, random person I dont know says viruses dont exist, so we are sorted, nothing to worry about." Do you think that will soothe the worried and caring motherly instincts of a woman approaching the birth of her first child, or will she just sigh in that way every man knows.

Other than looking for a gif of a kid with Downs Syndrome slamming into a door marked "pull" over and over, i cant see how to explain any better how your point of view and your delivery of your argument is wrong on so many levels right now.
The problem is spiritual, a lack of faith. At no point did God say we will live in a disease free world free of suffering. Or that we can take ABORTED fetal cells, and develop and manufacture vaccines to inject in ourselves to prevent disease. You are missing the forest for the trees. Do not fall for the satanic deception brother.
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
If doctors were so intelligent, they'd have an answer to this little conundrum.


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Now the title on this is based on the opposite of what I am referring to. But the data is still there and funny enough, getting tougher to find.

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Two things have skyrocketed since the 80's. Almost in lockstep.

A: Number of childhood vaccinations
B) Rate of autism

But doctors are just dumbfounded. Just like they're dumbfounded people are dropping dead left and right after mass COVID jabs.

Not only do doctors have an inability to connect the two above (outside a handful) but they compound it with an inability to offer a reasonable explanation, otherwise.

While testing for autism has increased, I'd counter with historically, and as recent as the 60-70's, society didn't have anywhere near the % of people with these mental issues.
 

LoveBug

Kingfisher
Catholic
How safe is the yellow fever vaccine? Its needed to travel through much of Africa. Obviously, you'd prefer no vaccine period, but that vaccine has been around awhile
 
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