What will major Western cities look like in 3-5-10+ years time?

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
NYC landlords are pushing a thought now that working from home should be made illegal. That will probably fail so I'd expect to start seeing lots of fires. It will be awful.
Do you have a source for this? How can they tell someone what they're able to do within the privacy of their rented homes? (other than illegal stuff like drugs, obviously)
 

LoveBug

Kingfisher
I agree with a lot of the scenarios here, but the timeline is off. Even in 10 years, not dramatically different than today.
 

bucky

Pelican
Here is my best guess of what the Western Cities will look like in 5-10 years time.

Keep in mind however, that many countries are all unique and have different situations. Most of what I am describing here will be the United States, although shittier European countries like France will also be in this camp.

  • Complete lack of meaningful organization. Just getting your driver's license will be akin to getting one in Peru. Not hating on Peru, it's a great country, but America and eventually Europe will start falling into 2nd and 3rd world inefficiency. Things will take forever for little to no reason. Roads are already falling into disrepair in the city I am from (Atlanta.) Justice system will become even more ineffective. Internet will start to get spotty, expect the speeds to drop even with 5G. Loadshedding for power and water will be implemented, and already has in California. California is the future of the West, and especially America. You will no longer be living in the country your ancestors built, white man.
  • A further separation from the Haves and Have nots, as another poster alluded to earlier. The white middle class will be extinct very shortly. You will either be well off, or live in somewhat of a Favela, hood type situation. I expect South Africa style private security, gated walls and cameras for the rich neighborhoods.
  • After Texas flips blue in 2024, the United States will never again elect a Republican President or government, and not that it really matters anyway. Millions (Probably 25-30 million) illegal immigrants will be granted YOUR citizenship, and will proceed to tax out the social security, welfare, and any public services system completely. This means that they will cease to exist, and thus the entire point of even living in the United States (Social safety net and high wages) will be completely negated.
  • The lock-downs will be a permanent part of life for the retarded American slave. Most of the world, especially Tier 1 Asian countries are efficient and will be able to move forward from this pandemic, however the US will not. This year, 2020, will be remembered as the year that America never recovered. America will never be the same, that country is completely dead and gone at this point I'm afraid. Expect to be tightly controlled, and forced to take a Vaccine if you live in a large american city, want to fly on an american airline, or want to work for an american corporation.
  • Forced de-gentrification. White hipsters and the like the gentrified areas will be legally forced to move because of "white privilege" and muh oppression. This means that blacks will be given free reign to completely destroy society, which will not take them long. They've already destroyed the capital of the South, Atlanta. Expect Raleigh NC, Nashville TN to be completely wrecked by 2030. The south has fallen.

I have high regard and respect for patriots who decide to stay and fight. However I'm 21, and have zero intention of actually living in the country for another 12 months. This may be even worse of a move, however I have made peace with my decision.
I too believe that, win or lose this time around, Trump is the last Republican president. I've brought up this idea around normies several times and they're invariably shocked and incredulous. They have not the slightest clue how many immigrants we take in yearly, or how those immigrants vote once they're granted citizenship.

Then again, these are people who think everything will be back normal soon, probably sometime next year.
 

Repo

Hummingbird
" Blau and other landlords are waging war against remote working. The big question: Will they succeed? "
Yes, I can read a sensationalized headline of an article which is essentially just a recap of an entirely different article. Still nothing in there about making it illegal.
 
Yes, I can read a sensationalized headline of an article which is essentially just a recap of an entirely different article. Still nothing in there about making it illegal.
It will probably force more companies out, but urban dems might get desperate when they start realizing out-sourced means no income tax revenue. They might have in office requirements for companies headquartered in NYC or Chicago or wherever.
For now dems (and Republican cucks, of course) have been happy to support corporate outsourcing as long as big tech, Wall Street wave the Rainbow flag and put up the BLM stickers. But when they look at their now empty coffers and insurmountable deficits?
A city like New York is absolutely cratered financially. Sailer suggested one stealth reason for 'defunding' the police is the fight over now limited revenue.

NYC landlords are pushing a thought now that working from home should be made illegal.
Technically I think many municipalities have laws from late 19th century on the books about residence and business premises. There are probably an army of lawyers right now looking through them. One thing a city like New York might do is start charging a head tax for corporations that have work from home employees. Example: Well GloboHomo Corporation Big Bank, you have a headquarters in Manhattan, but 20% of your staff is working remote, so you have to pay the property tax of 20% if they were working in Manhattan.
 

Hypno

Crow
Welcome to the glories of globalism that the working class has been suffering my entire life, NYC landlords. How did you manage to believe that steel production could be offshored but making spreadsheets couldn't?
^^^ very underrated post.

if you can work remotely, then instead of a cheaper city like Austin or Atlanta why not Columbia (same time zone roughly) or Bali?

who needs H1-B visas if the employee never enters the U.S.
 

kel

Pelican
I'm lucky that I'm in a quite in-demand yuppie profession, but that won't last forever. I'm extra lucky in that I have a specialty that's kinda rare and I have a reputation for quality in general. A bunch of code monkeys are in for a rude awakening soon as China and India pump out millions upon millions of graduates a day who, while not fantastic, are as good as your typical code monkey and are 1/10th the price.
 
I'm lucky that I'm in a quite in-demand yuppie profession, but that won't last forever. I'm extra lucky in that I have a specialty that's kinda rare and I have a reputation for quality in general. A bunch of code monkeys are in for a rude awakening soon as China and India pump out millions upon millions of graduates a day who, while not fantastic, are as good as your typical code monkey and are 1/10th the price.
Spot on. They don't care about quality (anyone notice how big tech u/i and performance seems to get worse? ) The same goes for graphics and designers - yes there will be high end jobs for the top tier but the middle well paying jobs will disintegrate. If you can find a niche and people willing to pay for it that helps.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
I’m lucky that I have an in demand trade that is seeing a lot of older guys retiring from and a major lack of younger guys getting into because nobody wants to get their hands dirty anymore, they all dream of the 4 hour work week living on a tropical island because Tim Ferris and a bunch of Youtubers hyped up the lifestyle.
 
I'm lucky that I'm in a quite in-demand yuppie profession, but that won't last forever. I'm extra lucky in that I have a specialty that's kinda rare and I have a reputation for quality in general. A bunch of code monkeys are in for a rude awakening soon as China and India pump out millions upon millions of graduates a day who, while not fantastic, are as good as your typical code monkey and are 1/10th the price.
Don’t you think that already would’ve happened if it was going to?

The cookie cutter stuff already does.

I bet they will still have people come into the office, just less often. And in that case, they’re gonna still hire American or H1b.

Also it’s just really hard to work on something high quality with a team in the opposite time zone +12hrs.
 

kel

Pelican
Ehhh, everybody's working remotely now, it's showing people how possible it is. I worked for an all-remote company once, I managed people as far east as Japan and as far West as Hawaii. It was a challenge, but it also came with benefits like always having someone on if there was some catastrophic failure and drastically reducing meetings by making people really consider how necessary it was that all people be there, live, at the same moment.

What's helped the industry for so long is just the irrational exuberance and free money. "Startups" are seen as licenses to print money, VCs throw cash at them without a whole lot of due diligence, and everybody is trying to hire so that keeps it a sellers market for code monkeys. There's also periodic hype for various things - right now it's "data scientists" or "machine learning specialists" - where companies just want one of these people because they think it's magic like buying a leveled-up sword in an RPG, so every few years a different group of not-really-specialists are able to run grift game that way. And then all the virtue signaling structure around that, of course. The HR managers, the social media managers, etc.

But, when money dries up and the fever dies down because investors start looking for companies that'll be profitable quick rather than just moonshot gambles that "the data" will somehow be worth something some day, people will tighten their belts. Even more common than hiring a person abroad will be just totally outsourcing development. Right now those development houses are seen as low-quality and difficult to deal with (and the ones in the US are quite expensive), but that'll change. A few smart and organized people in China and India will come along, figure out how to make teams that deliver quality, and sell it to "thought leaders" that have an idea. It won't be dirt cheap, but it'll be far cheaper and more importantly far easier than hiring. "Hey, for a quarter the cost of what you'd end up paying anyways, we'll start shipping today, you don't need to deal with the frustration of interviewing, negotiating, etc. Sign on the dotted line, and all that hassle just goes away. We deliver what you ask for, on-time and under budget, while you go on the Techcrunch circuit, sipping kale smoothies and getting little write-ups with fashionable pictures of yourself giving pointless talks to other Beckies". It's a hell of a salespitch.
 
If we take the gloomer view here, what do you think major Western cities look like in 3-5-10+ years time? (if a major economic collapse takes place)

I'm talking about LA, NYC, Sydney, Melbourne, London, Paris, Rome, Berlin, Madrid, Vancouver, Auckland, Stockholm, etc.

My best guess. We can already predict some things as some of these cities are more advanced than others. I'm expecting some combination of the following (and at varying levels of intensity):
  • Wider and wider rich and poor gap (and even if you earn 250k today, you still won't be in the rich club). $1M minimum for a house, gated communities with private security, private clubs/bars/restaurants that require $$$ membership to enter
  • Higher cost of living (vast majority cannot eat out or afford cars, for example)
  • Working harder for less money, higher taxes
  • Less Churches
  • The continued mass migration of the third world (China, India, Africa each have over 1B people)
  • More speed cameras, police drones, CCTV, tracking (and maybe cashless or near cashless)
  • Higher number of homeless
  • Many no go zone or slum areas (favelas/ghettos)
  • Higher crime
  • More people on prescription meds, more divorce, more single people, lower native birth rates
  • More general despair and higher suicide rate
  • Smaller, nosier and lower quality housing
  • Poorer quality air and water
  • More degeneracy (prostitution, many all weekend long clubs, bars, sex parties - think Berlin today)

Would they resemble something like a Sao Paulo or Johannesburg? As in livable (you'd stay if you had family) but you wouldn't choose to move there.

And further to that, would our secondary cities, regional and rural areas be a big steps down from that, only trailing behind by 10+ years or so?

Mainly interested to know if people think this will happen, how long it might take and are the less populated areas somewhat sheltered or not.
a mix between South Africa and Weimar Germany
 
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