What will major Western cities look like in 3-5-10+ years time?

Blade Runner

Kingfisher
Brain,

Are these 2nd tier cities? I ask because a lot of the first tier (NY/NJ, Chicago, LA, etc) are broke as a joke. I hear layoffs of municipal workers are even coming in Chicago, because they can't bear to decrease certain types of spending. Naturally, taxes of course go up but the real savings are hundreds of muni layoffs. As if the 300 supposed layoffs even do anything. I think they need to can 3000-10,000 to see any real effect in budgets or balancing. No?
 

TheMaleBrain

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Brain,

Are these 2nd tier cities? I ask because a lot of the first tier (NY/NJ, Chicago, LA, etc) are broke as a joke. I hear layoffs of municipal workers are even coming in Chicago, because they can't bear to decrease certain types of spending. Naturally, taxes of course go up but the real savings are hundreds of muni layoffs. As if the 300 supposed layoffs even do anything. I think they need to can 3000-10,000 to see any real effect in budgets or balancing. No?
Actually this is a general prediction.
You are correct that most cities are not in good financial shape. This is why "Smart City" hype catches their attention. It's an option for cost reduction.
However, sometime they just don't have the budget for it (or worse - they don't have the mental bandwidth to initiate it).

Salaries are usually the main expense, but there are others. It is a basis for future layoffs but also for leaner operations. Also reduction of electricity and or other utilities bill is on the table.
It's not a 50% budget cut, but a 5% one. That's a lot, and it's also in their budget basis.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
I travelled into the Melbourne CBD (downtown) for work last week.

Boy, has it changed. I mean, it was already ultra 'diverse' to start with, but that last trip I'd say it was (no exaggeration) 90%+ diverse including all workers. It's a bit of a weird time, Melbourne still in lockdown, no office workers - really only other public transport/courier/convenience store workers (Indian) and student/residents/restaurant operators (Chinese). A handful of Australian construction/maintenance/trade workers and that was it.

It really was like a different country.

Almost 1 in 5 rental properties are vacant in the 3000 postcode.

I think Aussies have abandoned it now and will retreat to nearby Regionals.

I have also noticed a large number of e-celebrities doing their big announcement videos on how they are 'leaving California' - inc. Joe Rogan (to Texas), Ben Shapiro, Graham Stephenson (to Vegas).

It was a weird coincidence, as if it was orchestrated in some way. What a great way to destroy a city without firing a single shot (and vacuuming up the wealth along the way through taxes and corruption).
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Salaries are usually the main expense, but there are others. It is a basis for future layoffs but also for leaner operations. Also reduction of electricity and or other utilities bill is on the table.

In one particular local government area in outer suburban Melbourne the council takes in $240M AUD in revenue and half of this is spent on salaries.

This is an area for 150,000 people.
 
I travelled into the Melbourne CBD (downtown) for work last week.

Boy, has it changed. I mean, it was already ultra 'diverse' to start with, but that last trip I'd say it was (no exaggeration) 90%+ diverse including all workers. It's a bit of a weird time, Melbourne still in lockdown, no office workers - really only other public transport/courier/convenience store workers (Indian) and student/residents/restaurant operators (Chinese). A handful of Australian construction/maintenance/trade workers and that was it.

It really was like a different country.

Almost 1 in 5 rental properties are vacant in the 3000 postcode.

I think Aussies have abandoned it now and will retreat to nearby Regionals.

I have also noticed a large number of e-celebrities doing their big announcement videos on how they are 'leaving California' - inc. Joe Rogan (to Texas), Ben Shapiro, Graham Stephenson (to Vegas).

It was a weird coincidence, as if it was orchestrated in some way. What a great way to destroy a city without firing a single shot (and vacuuming up the wealth along the way through taxes and corruption).
Lots of white flight from Melbourne to qld. Hopefully they don’t poison the well like leftists always do wherever they go.
Australia in general is browning, we have one of the worlds highest immigrant intakes for one of the worlds smallest populations.
 

Uprising

Woodpecker
i don’t think you understand how many billions Tesla, google abd uber are throwing at robot driving cars. I’m being conservative by guessing robot cars by 2025.

We have robot driving ubers on the roads right now in places like Carnegie Melon and Arizona. We have had robot driving cars on the roads for a couple of years already. Saying they will get to major cities by 2025 is not really much of a prediction
Maybe not nyc, here the pedestrians are too out of control and the robots will sit in midtown for hours waiting for the j walkers to stop or they just are not allowed

How many robot cars are on the roads in Arizona and Carnegie Melon? Tens of them? Hundreds of them?

Robot or self driving vehicles will never work unless we go to 100% self driving/robot vehicles. You simply cannot have self driving vehicles and humans driving vehicles on the same roads.

Why?

Well because, people drive too irrationally and unpredictably for a computer to be able to know or predict what the human is about to do. And that's in more orderly places like the US, not including the craziness of how most underdeveloped countries (or even developed ones like Italy) drive and disregard the road rules at will.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Gold Member
How many robot cars are on the roads in Arizona and Carnegie Melon? Tens of them? Hundreds of them?

Robot or self driving vehicles will never work unless we go to 100% self driving/robot vehicles. You simply cannot have self driving vehicles and humans driving vehicles on the same roads.

Why?

Well because, people drive too irrationally and unpredictably for a computer to be able to know or predict what the human is about to do. And that's in more orderly places like the US, not including the craziness of how most underdeveloped countries (or even developed ones like Italy) drive and disregard the road rules at will.

If I was a betting man(I am not), I would think first robot driving cars and trucks would be approved for highways only as they are safer, more predictable. Whether or not we should have robot cars and whether or not we will are 2 different questions. Tesla will bribe whoever they have to bribe to get it approved.
 
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If I was a betting nan(I am not), I would think first robot driving cars and trucks would be approved for highways only as they are safer, more predictable. Whether or not we should have robot cars and whether or not we will are 2 different questions. Tesla will bribe whoever they have to bribe to get it approved.
I work for a multinational billion dollar mining company. We still can’t get machines to do simple tasks repeatedly in geo fenced areas. Driverless cars may become a thing of culture changes and there is a certain amount of collateral damage accepted. Who is liable every time a sensor fails or a component fails and someone is injured or killed?
It’s along the same vein as electric cars, we can do it but the infrastructure isn’t there to fully support them. We don’t have the people to maintain or attend breakdowns (yet)
 

ralfy

Sparrow
Not just Western cities but mega-cities may start showing signs of the effects of limits to growth and ecological damage, as seen in rising sea levels, overpopulation, deteriorating infrastructure, and a breakdown in utilities, from water and sewerage systems to electricity.
 

tomtud

Pelican
Look at Detroit. Baltimore. leftist socialist policies (dare I say critical race theory strategists) have ruined these cities. Chicago and NYC are fast tracked to become hell holes.

leftist politicians will fast track affordable housing mandates ( code for welfare housing) anybody who is familiar with social housing is that they are a cesspool of delincuency, high crime, the cycle of poverty dependency on handouts continues multigenerationally. Affordable housing mandates are a bad sign if you live in an area where politicians are pushing this.

the nimby politicians live far away from these hotspots. The west as others aforementioned will represent Brazil in many ways.
 

Easy_C

Crow
 

Towgunner

Woodpecker
One thing is becoming abundantly clear and that's democrat rule of cities, or anything for that matter, is an abject failure. The state of Chicago, Seattle, Portland and New York are utter embarrassments. For Pete's sake, the "mayor" of Chicago puts on costumes while her city literally burns. On one hand, we can assume this will continue and, therefore, these cities will be hellscapes in 3-5 years. On the other hand, you have to wonder in a sort of one reaction begets another way, that this could engender an different result. I mean its quite incredible that there is an open communist mayor in New York. Even more remarkable is how he's literally encourage the decline of this city. We've literally witnessed in a relatively short period of time the ipso facto evidence that socialism and left and all that is a failure. Its hard to believe that di-blassio will be re-elected. And, its easy to believe a more conservative mayor will be elected. But then again, its equally hard to believe he won't be re-elected and that a conservative would ever take his place.
 

Hypno

Crow
They won’t be riots. They’ve now got an organized, centrally controlled but operationally decentralized army of thugs that can be used to direct harassment, intimidation, and violence wherever needed. Instead it will take the form of more targeted “direct action” against political opponents.

Brown shirts. The Antifa literally stole the Nazi playbook
 

asdf

Sparrow
I have also noticed a large number of e-celebrities doing their big announcement videos on how they are 'leaving California' - inc. Joe Rogan (to Texas), Ben Shapiro, Graham Stephenson (to Vegas).
Not an expert on the subject by any means, but I believe theres a huge exodus of youtube creators etc. because of the new tax proposals by california and knowing california they will probably pass, so they figured better leave before the calendar year date so that they are completely off the hook for those new taxes.
 

Hansel

Sparrow
Hpeople drive too irrationally and unpredictably for a computer to be able to know or predict what the human is about to do. And that's in more orderly places like the US, not including the craziness of how most underdeveloped countries (or even developed ones like Italy) drive and disregard the road rules at will.

The concept of "developed countries" which was propped up in the Cold War, is fictional. A large part of Europe was falsely categorised as "developed" simply because they weren't part of the Soviet bloc like Spain, Greece and Italy. If you've tried to look into Italy, you'll know anywhere south of Rome should be regarded as a third world shithole because it really is like that down there, an older version of South End Chicago. Same goes for Spain west of Catalonia except Madrid, and south of Athens for Greece. These places never developed in terms of education and industry, and just barely meet the threshold of "rich" because there's one place in each country holding everything together. Once you get out of that place the people are become cavemen brutes and you have to watch out for yourself, kind of like the direction the US is heading towards.
 
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