What's the beef with Rollo Tomassi?
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rpg
Ostrich
Professional jealousy.
It happens in all areas of growth and success.
There is room at the top for everybody that puts forth a quality effort and no need to be bashing each other. The stakes are really high. This up and coming generation of teen guys need help and insight or they are going to be fucked before they even get started.
Roosh, Rollo and Heartiste are Washington, Jefferson and Adams of the 21st century.
It happens in all areas of growth and success.
There is room at the top for everybody that puts forth a quality effort and no need to be bashing each other. The stakes are really high. This up and coming generation of teen guys need help and insight or they are going to be fucked before they even get started.
Roosh, Rollo and Heartiste are Washington, Jefferson and Adams of the 21st century.
Potentially OT but relevant in my eyes. Writers who publish books littered with spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors greatly irritate me. Rollo's theory is pretty solid as a theoretical foundation in intersexual dynamics but his books, I and II, have evidently not been proofread. What kind of a man skips this fundamental step?
Aside from this, Rollo preaches but Roosh practices. Rollo comes across as obsessive and controlling whereas Roosh is a man of action, an on-the-ground leader, if you will.
Aside from this, Rollo preaches but Roosh practices. Rollo comes across as obsessive and controlling whereas Roosh is a man of action, an on-the-ground leader, if you will.
rpg said:
Fuck that. Rollo is Benedict Arnold. Fuck him.
SirTimothy
Kingfisher
I'm seriously disappointed in Rollo. This is a dishonest, back-stabbing article that I might have expected from AVFM.
Days of Broken Arrows said:
I see a lot of people around this part of the web talk about how "The Rational Male" is such a good book.
I've tried reading in numerous times and it always put me to sleep before I could make it very far.
I read through BANG in almost one session if that tells you something.
I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE
Kingfisher
I don't get how Roosh is personally responsible for this. Sounds a bit like victim balming, which is problemaaaaatic.
Roosh just called out a nice date for some like minded guys to meet up and have a chill evening together. People wanted to meet up themselves, meetups didn't cost anything. Sounds like some butthurt sour grapes from Rollo's side. Dude should be slamming the rabid SJWs and dishonest media instead of cannibalizing and infighting.
Roosh just called out a nice date for some like minded guys to meet up and have a chill evening together. People wanted to meet up themselves, meetups didn't cost anything. Sounds like some butthurt sour grapes from Rollo's side. Dude should be slamming the rabid SJWs and dishonest media instead of cannibalizing and infighting.
Man, I really try to read Rollo's articles in full but my eyes go square with the all the text. It's never-ending. How does it take so many words to say one thing?
Edit: have you seen some of the comments? Some of these guys compose 2,000 word responses to his articles. It seems like time is plentiful over there for these "in-demand" men
Edit: have you seen some of the comments? Some of these guys compose 2,000 word responses to his articles. It seems like time is plentiful over there for these "in-demand" men
Rollo's tone in that article sounds off compared to the content he's put out prior. He's written a lot of great material, and has helped men for years before attempting to monetize anything. I wonder if he's going through some personal issues, and is using his platform to vent.
It's natural for men to disagree, but to unjustly disparage is completely uncalled for. His mischaracterization of the events in the past week reek of animosity and show the same level of gas lighting he bemoans of the 'journalists' he speaks of. As an amateur student of marketing, I get the impression that Rollo's choice of language shows an intent to attack, not inform. Rollo is a marketing guru and he knows what he's doing. If he disagreed with his approach, he should have been much more even handed. Of course there will be disagreements and we should avoid groupthink whenever possible. But we don't need to air out all our dirty laundry in public and pile on a man when he's going through rough times.
I'm getting sick and tired of the in fighting in the red pill. We've got enough enemies to worry about as it is. First the threats against Spandrell, now the character assassination of Roosh from Rollo and Xsplat. Ironically Xsplat also just lambasted Rollo. At times, including recently, I have been guilty of stepping over the line and I know how difficult it can be to reign in the urge. Especially when your soap box gets bigger. But there's no need to turn against each other and incite factionalism. If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. Vox and Milo can put their differences aside and find common ground, we should too.
If you're a patron of Rollo's work, and you've felt he's been unfair, I encourage you to reach out to him and let your thoughts be known. I'll be doing that shortly.
It's natural for men to disagree, but to unjustly disparage is completely uncalled for. His mischaracterization of the events in the past week reek of animosity and show the same level of gas lighting he bemoans of the 'journalists' he speaks of. As an amateur student of marketing, I get the impression that Rollo's choice of language shows an intent to attack, not inform. Rollo is a marketing guru and he knows what he's doing. If he disagreed with his approach, he should have been much more even handed. Of course there will be disagreements and we should avoid groupthink whenever possible. But we don't need to air out all our dirty laundry in public and pile on a man when he's going through rough times.
I'm getting sick and tired of the in fighting in the red pill. We've got enough enemies to worry about as it is. First the threats against Spandrell, now the character assassination of Roosh from Rollo and Xsplat. Ironically Xsplat also just lambasted Rollo. At times, including recently, I have been guilty of stepping over the line and I know how difficult it can be to reign in the urge. Especially when your soap box gets bigger. But there's no need to turn against each other and incite factionalism. If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. Vox and Milo can put their differences aside and find common ground, we should too.
If you're a patron of Rollo's work, and you've felt he's been unfair, I encourage you to reach out to him and let your thoughts be known. I'll be doing that shortly.
I can not find the post by Quintus Curtius but here is the jist of what QC wrote during the Montreal debacle. I have heard him say this in person which beats the written words by a mile.
"You can keep on writing 4000 word turgid posts complaining on girls attitude in USA and how night game is dead. Get on the train of Neomasculinity or move out of the way"
I totally second what QC said and it's best if you guys can listen to QC say this in person, the passion, the emotion he says it with .......
"You can keep on writing 4000 word turgid posts complaining on girls attitude in USA and how night game is dead. Get on the train of Neomasculinity or move out of the way"
I totally second what QC said and it's best if you guys can listen to QC say this in person, the passion, the emotion he says it with .......
Panokko
Sparrow
I am of the impression that this so-called beef between Roosh and Rollo is much ado about nothing: except for the Rooshes choice to go for monetization of his ideas through his books, websites and his speaking tour ("sell out") and Rollo (perhaps unfairly) calling him out on that, there's is very little difference in philosophy regarding the relationship between the sexes.
Rollo might be seen as a 'Red Pill purist' and Roosh has explicitly added a sociopolitical dimension to what are essentially the same red pill truths ('Red Pill plus') and labeled it neomasculinity.
I think Rollo might feel that Roosh broke the first rule of fight club....
I guess he thinks that bringing attention to Red Pill Truths somehow detracts from these truths. Truth is truth, whether given attention or not.
Someone under the name of Rollo Tomasi posted in one of the threads before the meetups, warning about a protest in San Francisco. I cannot seem to find the post anymore; it might have been removed.
That means that Rollo is at least on some level on the side of the people of the RooshV forums.
Take care
Rollo might be seen as a 'Red Pill purist' and Roosh has explicitly added a sociopolitical dimension to what are essentially the same red pill truths ('Red Pill plus') and labeled it neomasculinity.
I think Rollo might feel that Roosh broke the first rule of fight club....
I guess he thinks that bringing attention to Red Pill Truths somehow detracts from these truths. Truth is truth, whether given attention or not.
Someone under the name of Rollo Tomasi posted in one of the threads before the meetups, warning about a protest in San Francisco. I cannot seem to find the post anymore; it might have been removed.
That means that Rollo is at least on some level on the side of the people of the RooshV forums.
Take care
therealpoder
Robin
I lost interest in The Rational Male's work long ago. It was interesting at first but how many articles can you write about hypergamy, feminist imperative and sexual market place value?
I don't see anything wrong with Roosh advertising the meet up on websites. How will people know about it if he doesn't announce it? What better place to announce it than on his blog and return of kings website? There are people who don't read this forum but are read those sites and would be open to attending.
And what's wrong with monetize his information? Intellectual work is work and one should get paid for it. If his readers don't find value in it, they won't pay for it. Simple. Free market Econ 101.
I don't see anything wrong with Roosh advertising the meet up on websites. How will people know about it if he doesn't announce it? What better place to announce it than on his blog and return of kings website? There are people who don't read this forum but are read those sites and would be open to attending.
And what's wrong with monetize his information? Intellectual work is work and one should get paid for it. If his readers don't find value in it, they won't pay for it. Simple. Free market Econ 101.
Doesn't Rollo work in liquor promotions? Doesn't he have to lay low a little to protect his livelihood?
Wouldn't he on some level love to be able to ask a reporter if he lifts and post it on Youtube?
He is a smart guy, as are some of his commenters, but with all of the recent events, like the eruption of the hysteriasphere a minute ago, and the Battle of Canada, compared to that level of direct action in real life, doesn't it just make him and all his readers internet warriors in comparison?
It kinda seems like Rollo's attitude is the public relations equivalent of the pointy elbows syndrome.
Roosh just dropped a Mentos in the media Coke bottle. Rollo didn't.
Wouldn't he just dismiss this whole thread as fanboy irrelevance?
Of course he would. Whatever. Works for me.
Wouldn't he on some level love to be able to ask a reporter if he lifts and post it on Youtube?
He is a smart guy, as are some of his commenters, but with all of the recent events, like the eruption of the hysteriasphere a minute ago, and the Battle of Canada, compared to that level of direct action in real life, doesn't it just make him and all his readers internet warriors in comparison?
It kinda seems like Rollo's attitude is the public relations equivalent of the pointy elbows syndrome.
Roosh just dropped a Mentos in the media Coke bottle. Rollo didn't.
Wouldn't he just dismiss this whole thread as fanboy irrelevance?
Of course he would. Whatever. Works for me.
Roosh said:
I was keeping an eye on his twitter feed during the Battle of the Meetups. He was being his usual passive aggressive self. When the redpill subreddit split with Roosh he sided with them. I've tuned out since then. His game advice is weak, as its all theoretical.
He also insinuated (as did many of our detractors) that Roosh was organizing some publicity stunt, which is beyond asinine. That line of thinking shows a lack of personal experience in life. Who in their right mind would actually believe that this meetup "was all a stunt" for PR purposes? Sure, it did result in more exposure for Roosh, but that would indicate Roosh would intentionally put not only his followers, but his family in harms way.
I can't stand it when people witness a chain of random events, and come to the conclusion that "it was all planned". The world is more complicated than one overarching force controlling everything. Most of what happens in life is a series of somewhat random, unpredictable, chaotic events. Believe it or not, life is not like Metal Gear Solid. Not everything is a grand conspiracy. Not everything is planned. Sometimes shit just happens.
As Roosh said, it appears he is struggling to retain relevance. His weak game advice has hit the ceiling and the only way he can keep his audience's ear is by attacking someone who does his job better than he could ever dream.
I always find that the person or people accusing another person of being a "sellout" are disingenuous for criticizing others for being good at branding, marketing, promotion and a bit of showmanship and controversy - all necessary for monetization in today's biased major media and short attention span spastic social media environment... I find the accusers motivations to be suspect unless you go full off the grid primitive and live in the woods in a log cabin and hunt, fish and forage to subsist - with no electricity or internet you still need MONEY for Honey, Jingle to Mingle, Finance for Romance and cash to smash!
Take this dude with a grain of salt now. He used to be important. The irrelevance is killing him.
If he wants to spin it to sound like Roosh was actively promoting a bunch of "rape rallies" to get media attention, then let him. Maybe Jezebel will even hit him with a job offer.
If he wants to spin it to sound like Roosh was actively promoting a bunch of "rape rallies" to get media attention, then let him. Maybe Jezebel will even hit him with a job offer.
Ingocnito
Pelican
C'MON GUYS! Does anyone here really think Roosh planned a worldwide meet-up and somehow intentionally planted a seed within the feminist ranks to dig up a year-old article on rape calling everyone rapists now?!? That's VERY VERY far fetched, risky. Plus, as stated, he cancelled the meetings.
Woman or man, watch the actions, not the words... even if "words" is how you make your living. Roosh's actions still tell the truth of what he's about. I'm undeterred by Rollo's indifferences with Roosh. Yet, there is definitely some really good stuff both men supply to the manosphere. That, I don't see changing.
I've said a few times before (recently), the greatest part of what Roosh accomplished in attempts to organize the worldwide meet up (which sounds like a handful were successful anyways), is:
1) It flushed out just how crazy and intertwined the click-bait trigger worded media and masses have become over SJW imperative. So NOW we have an accurate gauge of where things stand in action.
2) It provides a much clearer strategy for men, readers of RVF and ROK, to build upon going forward.
3) It accelerated the idiocy of feminists, SJWs, which IMHO, means were closer to a tipping point in change, which will be increasingly more in favor of men.
So again Roosh, thanks for doing so. I watched his video response press conference with a girl last night, and despite her disagreements with some of what is taught here (mainly how to pick up chicks, no surprise in her own quest for self-preservation in the SMP), she wholeheartedly agreed this is absolutely insanity what he, and others here have had to endure.. spanning governments, and local communities versus an organized mob. Her words:"Well he's right, these idiots just made him famous, this world is so fucked up."
Woman or man, watch the actions, not the words... even if "words" is how you make your living. Roosh's actions still tell the truth of what he's about. I'm undeterred by Rollo's indifferences with Roosh. Yet, there is definitely some really good stuff both men supply to the manosphere. That, I don't see changing.
I've said a few times before (recently), the greatest part of what Roosh accomplished in attempts to organize the worldwide meet up (which sounds like a handful were successful anyways), is:
1) It flushed out just how crazy and intertwined the click-bait trigger worded media and masses have become over SJW imperative. So NOW we have an accurate gauge of where things stand in action.
2) It provides a much clearer strategy for men, readers of RVF and ROK, to build upon going forward.
3) It accelerated the idiocy of feminists, SJWs, which IMHO, means were closer to a tipping point in change, which will be increasingly more in favor of men.
So again Roosh, thanks for doing so. I watched his video response press conference with a girl last night, and despite her disagreements with some of what is taught here (mainly how to pick up chicks, no surprise in her own quest for self-preservation in the SMP), she wholeheartedly agreed this is absolutely insanity what he, and others here have had to endure.. spanning governments, and local communities versus an organized mob. Her words:"Well he's right, these idiots just made him famous, this world is so fucked up."