What's the beef with Rollo Tomassi?

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Potentially OT but relevant in my eyes. Writers who publish books littered with spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors greatly irritate me. Rollo's theory is pretty solid as a theoretical foundation in intersexual dynamics but his books, I and II, have evidently not been proofread. What kind of a man skips this fundamental step?

Aside from this, Rollo preaches but Roosh practices. Rollo comes across as obsessive and controlling whereas Roosh is a man of action, an on-the-ground leader, if you will.

Not irrelevant at all. Actually pretty important for two reasons.

First, spelling is the engine that drives clear writing. If that's flawed, it's like driving a car with a knock in the motor -- it becomes a distraction and detracts from the experience.

But second, lack of attention to detail shows contempt for the buying public. It's like a builder who doesn't use the right kind of nails or the auto repairman who puts in a substandard hose.

And, yes, I've been known to make typo or ten on here, but I'm not selling you anything. When my book was published, it was proofread twice-over. (I'm Italian and felt any errors would stereotype me as being a dimwit like Joey from "Friends" -- haha.)

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Not to pile on, but one of Rollo's sayings is "Hypergamy doesn't care." I think this is not only inaccurate, but a bad message to send to younger guys.

It would be amusing if we could do a meme featuring men we knew who did end runs around so-called hypergamy.

Example: I have a high school friend who is like 5' tall who married -- and stayed married -- to a much taller, hotter blonde from our school. Then there's the poor guy from a Baltimore blue-collar dump called Essex (gag) I set up with a hot Hispanic whose dad is a major financial player. They're still married.

I know enough examples like this to make me question the whole premise of hypergamy being as important as some people say. When exceptions start to pile up, you need to question the rule.

 

[brob]

I think Rollo was wrong on this one as well. If Roosh was doing this for pure notoriety then the meetings would have never been cancelled. A doxxing shitstorm would have ensued and we would have had dozens of guys potentially terminated from their jobs. We would have seen a lot more YouTube videos beyond what we've seen in Seattle and Montreal. We all saw the shitstorm coming and saw that it wasn't worth it.

When the meeting locations were posted publicly, sure, we all anticipated a little blowback, but nothing we couldn't outmaneuver. We had no way of knowing that the opposition was going to stoop to levels they stooped to that would rally up a hysterical mob using complete falsehoods. I didn't put much stock in the media prior to 2/6 but post-2/6 I see what they are really capable of now.

No one predicted the magnitude of the hysteria.

That being said, Rollo certainly has plenty of genius contributions to the 'sphere that shouldn't be overlooked due to whatever falling out has occurred. Yes, the contributions are rather cold and analytical but he's never claimed to be a hands-on teacher of high energy game, charisma, banter, storytelling, or any of the actual tactics and skills needed to pull.

His shtick is breaking down the Game in a more academic way. It may not be the most entertaining or funniest read but the insight he's shared is highly valuable. There are times when I'll be reading TRM, stop for a second to say "Holy shit that's brilliant", then resume reading.

Unfortunately, Outrage Brokers drove the wedge deeper where a divide doesn't even need to exist.

It gets people talking though. People are weighing in through Disqus comments, Subreddits, YouTube videos, and now RVF threads. It gets traffic sent to and from all that participate in the beef. Not that those types of things are the sole intent, I believe this particular falling out to be rooted in genuine disagreements. But nonetheless an uptick in traffic, however slight, is always a beef byproduct worth noting.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

I wrote what I thought was a relatively neutral comment on his hit piece, attempting to help him see the events with more clarity. No response from Rollo, but the replies I got from the commenters who religiously follow him were accusatory, snarky, and pedantic. Strange bedfellows indeed. I'm wondering if it was such a good idea to reach out to him after all.

 

[Blaster]

I didn't put much stock in the media prior to 2/6 but post-2/6 I see what they are really capable of now.

Truth is I am so jaded by this point, I wasn't even surprised. These days, when I see a sensational headline about someone who supposedly said something offensive, I know two things with absolute certainty:

(1) The article itself is going to be a meandering mess with little substance and lots of sneaky, dishonest rhetoric in support of some painfully obvious agenda.

(2) Following up and actually reading any of the source material will result in discovery of facts that undermine if not completely contradict the entire article.

 

[Speculation]

As I've said elsewhere, I don't think the inflammatory tweets Roosh made leading up to the event helped with the security of the meetups. They brought a lot of unnecessary heat. Roosh painted himself as the bogeyman to court controversy and feed publicity which gave the governments and media extra rope to hang him with.

That said, his approach was no different from the highly successful Canada tour and no one could have predicted that the same tactics would result in the firestorm that blew up over this. I found his tweets hilarious until I realised that they would be used as 'evidence' to paint the group as evil, but that was only after the news cycle reached critical mass and took on a life of its own.

I think Roosh deliberately added to the heat, but I definitely don't think he pre-planned for a meltdown that would put members at risk. If he made a mistake, it was in underestimating the media/govt/SJW response, which in context was a completely understandable error.

Rollo was being uncharitable in his view, at least partially due to his past history with Roosh.

 

[justforfun19713]

I wrote what I thought was a relatively neutral comment on his hit piece, attempting to help him see the events with more clarity. No response from Rollo, but the replies I got from the commenters who religiously follow him were accusatory, snarky, and pedantic....

Ever notice in an in-person convo how someone who is wrong tends to get louder and louder? The equivalent online response is being verbose and pedantic. No harm in responding though, true colors tend to show pretty quickly there.

 

[Enigma]

Rollo just tweeted a link to an article about a woman in Iceland accusing Roosh of rape and urging more women to come out and accuse him:

When he was done in the bathroom he faced Susan and said, “Are you home alone?”

“Yes,” she said.

Then he asked her to touch his penis. When she refused, Roosh grabbed her.

Susan started crying and said, “Why are you doing this? You’re crazy.”

He laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” And then, according to Susan, he raped her.

Of course, it's clearly a lie. Yet that doesn't stop him from slandering Roosh.

EDIT: I archived the page to keep here shitty little website from getting clicks: https://archive.is/xNgyv

 

[spokepoker]

Sounds like he wants some of that media pie that Roosh baked, unfortunately, it's been all ate up.
There might be a piece left, but it's been maybe 3 days old now, unrefrigerated, not very nutritional.

 

[GlobalMan]

Rollo is regurgitated Heartiste, but banal and years late. He then repeats his regurgitations over and over. I don't know what value one could find in reading Rollo for more than a dozen blog posts. Just the same stuff.

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

Rollo just tweeted a link to an article about a woman in Iceland accusing Roosh of rape and urging more women to come out and accuse him:

Quote:
When he was done in the bathroom he faced Susan and said, “Are you home alone?”

“Yes,” she said.

Then he asked her to touch his penis. When she refused, Roosh grabbed her.

Susan started crying and said, “Why are you doing this? You’re crazy.”

He laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” And then, according to Susan, he raped her.

Of course, it's clearly a lie. Yet that doesn't stop him from slandering Roosh.

EDIT: I archived the page to keep here shitty little website from getting clicks: https://archive.is/xNgyv

Wow, Rollo is really acting like a stupid child here.
This was a man who wrote on his website that you couldn't believe the UVA hoax because of its "obvious melodramatic dialogue". Now he's sharing an article with lines like, "“All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” and, "You have a beautiful but sad walk."?

That's not a credible claim of rape. That's a poorly written penthouse fantasy letter.

This is a man who's built his whole career around the idea of "resisting the feminine imperative", and the need to think critically and evaluate rather than blindly trust everything a woman says. But when push comes to shove, he throws out an entire ideology that he's spent half a decade building, just to score a cheap shot at an enemy.

What a small, petty little child. Why should anyone bother reading this person, or believing what he writes, when he so clearly doesn't believe it himself? Why should anyone trust a Men's Rights Activist who spreads false rape accusations?

I've felt for a long time now that Rollo is an overrated writer. He's long-winded and uses a lot of imprecise, vague words that seem to have no value other than the fact that Rollo Tomassi invented them. I've been reading him on and off for years, and I still don't have a clear idea of what the hell a Feminine Imperative is, beyond "something involving women that Rollo doesn't like." But that's fine. There are lots of overrated writers on the internet.

Spreading false rape accusations about a man just because he doesn't like them goes against everything this part of the internet is supposed to stand for. He needs to shut the hell up and get the fuck out.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

I lost interest in The Rational Male's work long ago. It was interesting at first but how many articles can you write about hypergamy, feminist imperative and sexual market place value?

I don't see anything wrong with Roosh advertising the meet up on websites. How will people know about it if he doesn't announce it? What better place to announce it than on his blog and return of kings website? There are people who don't read this forum but are read those sites and would be open to attending.

And what's wrong with monetize his information? Intellectual work is work and one should get paid for it. If his readers don't find value in it, they won't pay for it. Simple. Free market Econ 101.

If I ever met Rollo Tomassi in person, I'd have no choice but to shake the mans hand.
He was a great influence in exposing me to "Red Pill" theory & human behaviour from a "Red Pill" perspective.
Also, his (almost too clinical) articles at the time were probably just what I needed. As opposed to material such as "day game vs. night game".

However...
I also can only read Rollo's beloved buzzwords so many times to the point where I feel I have a pretty good grasp of... "Rollo Method".

Just like I skip Voxday's writings about SJW neutered science fiction & sci-fi awards.
Just like I skip most of Mike Cernovich's trolling of naïve fools on Twitter.
Just like I skip most of Milo's gay taunts.

What I don't do however, is grandstand & postulate on how those four should conduct their business & try to enforce my preferred interests onto them.
What was that about leading a horse to water?

Anyway, isn't Rollo a psychologist or some such? Perhaps with the hints of envy / jealousy, it should be a case of "doctor heal thyself".

 

[GlobalMan]

Just like I skip Voxday's writings about SJW neutered science fiction & sci-fi awards.
Just like I skip most of Mike Cernovich's trolling of naïve fools on Twitter.
Just like I skip most of Milo's gay taunts.

What I don't do however, is grandstand & postulate on how those four should conduct their business & try to enforce my preferred interests onto them.

Recognizing those who mock you does not equate to "grandstanding & postulating"

This is not the result of guys forcing their interests on Rollo, the man has repeatedly ridiculed others' interests, in a bitch way, without provocation.

 

[262]

Fyi, CH is not on board with Rollo's accusation either. Two of the three R's (Roosh & Roissy) are more than one (Rollo).

https://twitter.com/ChateauEmissary/status/697302910779183105

"Survey says... rapethatneverhappened.txt
Seriously, it reads like a feminist rape fantasy."

Edit: I can see why Rollo is doing this though. How many times can you write about hypergamy, etc? It's like asking Roosh and Roissy how many times they can write about Game.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Just like I skip Voxday's writings about SJW neutered science fiction & sci-fi awards.
Just like I skip most of Mike Cernovich's trolling of naïve fools on Twitter.
Just like I skip most of Milo's gay taunts.

What I don't do however, is grandstand & postulate on how those four should conduct their business & try to enforce my preferred interests onto them.

Recognizing those who mock you does not equate to "grandstanding & postulating"

This is not the result of guys forcing their interests on Rollo, the man has repeatedly ridiculed others' interests, in a bitch way, without provocation.

I was referring to Rollo as well.
I read that Outrage Brokers article last night & gathered the impression that Rollo either looked at the past week with bias,
or wasn't aware of all the particulars & as such, isn't in a position to take such a grandstanding position.

 

[spokepoker]

Maybe Rolling Stone will publish her story.

 

[Mercenary]

Rollo just tweeted a link to an article about a woman in Iceland accusing Roosh of rape and urging more women to come out and accuse him:

A link to a trolling and attention-whoring fictitious blog post ?
Written by an obscure and unknown, post-wall female "storyteller".


All the respect I had for Rollo has now disappeared in an instant.
Man, that's just sad.

 

[Matsufubu]

Roosh: I've never been accused of rape
Crazy: False rape allegation that sounds ridiculous.
Rollo: Look, Roosh is a rape suspect.

The very title of that girl's piece ("Roosh Valizadeh Accused of Rape") just shows that it's attention seeking. Public accusation, no police involved. Any more alarm bells to sound?

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Besides. Nothing is ever likely to replace "Hot Cosby".

 

[niledelta]

Rollo just tweeted a link to an article about a woman in Iceland accusing Roosh of rape and urging more women to come out and accuse him:

A link to a trolling and attention-whoring fictitious blog post ?
Written by an obscure and unknown, post-wall female "storyteller".


All the respect I had for Rollo has now disappeared in an instant.
Man, that's just sad.

There's only so many times these twisted, lonely, past-their-sell-by-date-but-left-on-the-shelf psychological degenerates can cry wolf or cry wolf on behalf of some other desperate nobody.

Shame on Rollo for retweeting that. Any respect I had for him has just evaporated.

 

[Matsufubu]

Can't coast on his SMV graph forever. I used to read his stuff, but have given up working through reams and reams of repeated analysis. It just feels like hard work when Roissy does the same in a fraction of the time and a lot more entertainingly.

Agreed that the 'Manosphere' is not big enough for this infighting. It's like Britain, France and Germany going to war with each other again when the real threats are far bigger.