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<blockquote data-quote="Hades" data-source="post: 921091" data-attributes="member: 2800"><p>The root of argument here is the radical vs. the moderate. Rollo is a moderate. Roosh has been painted as a radical. Moderates tend to shit all over radicals, even if they agree with 80+% of their ideas, because they want change to happen very slowly. The narrative itself is like an enormous pendulum that has so much inertia that it's unstoppable in the short term. Look at the liberal media, for instance. That took at least two generations of hippies infiltrating academia and graduating classes of uber-liberal marxist journalists - they were "fighting the establishment" one day and a few decades later were entrenched establishment. </p><p></p><p>What they don't understand is that the slow and creeping change comes due to the radicals swinging the narrative, with moderates sort of hopping along for the ride. Low risk, low reward. If Rollo were a rational male, he'd see this and could both disagree with the method but recognize that he and his ideas were benefitting from the result. </p><p></p><p>I also had no idea that Rollo Tomassi paired up with McQueen. That's pretty hilarious. </p><p></p><p>Some of the posts here also miss the point. </p><p>Even if the meetups were a publicity stunt, so what? Best case scenario, we would have all benefitted. That's a pretty serious opportunity to network and be among the like-minded. The risk ended up being too great, as feminists and their minions extricated themselves from Netflix to sit in the cold and protest nightclubs. </p><p></p><p>"The Independent" and "The Daily Beast" bemoaned how easily manipulated RVFers were. Shitheads, the lot of them. What does "neomasculinity" seriously cost you? 10-50 dollars over a period of years? I pay more than that on a monthly power bill and don't feel particularly oppressed about it. </p><p></p><p>Granted, in practice it caused a shit storm and blowback. 15 minutes of notoriety isn't going to kill off the message, though, and the ideas generated and supported here are generally far off enough from the mainstream that this is the only way it could generate exposure. The Rational Male isn't going to make Oprah's book club. </p><p></p><p>Rollo Tomassi's stuff is more suited to a Men's Studies department, where people debate the intersectionality of the male experience and how men are oppressed to the benefit of women. There's a time and a place for that but it's going to be a long while.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hades, post: 921091, member: 2800"] The root of argument here is the radical vs. the moderate. Rollo is a moderate. Roosh has been painted as a radical. Moderates tend to shit all over radicals, even if they agree with 80+% of their ideas, because they want change to happen very slowly. The narrative itself is like an enormous pendulum that has so much inertia that it's unstoppable in the short term. Look at the liberal media, for instance. That took at least two generations of hippies infiltrating academia and graduating classes of uber-liberal marxist journalists - they were "fighting the establishment" one day and a few decades later were entrenched establishment. What they don't understand is that the slow and creeping change comes due to the radicals swinging the narrative, with moderates sort of hopping along for the ride. Low risk, low reward. If Rollo were a rational male, he'd see this and could both disagree with the method but recognize that he and his ideas were benefitting from the result. I also had no idea that Rollo Tomassi paired up with McQueen. That's pretty hilarious. Some of the posts here also miss the point. Even if the meetups were a publicity stunt, so what? Best case scenario, we would have all benefitted. That's a pretty serious opportunity to network and be among the like-minded. The risk ended up being too great, as feminists and their minions extricated themselves from Netflix to sit in the cold and protest nightclubs. "The Independent" and "The Daily Beast" bemoaned how easily manipulated RVFers were. Shitheads, the lot of them. What does "neomasculinity" seriously cost you? 10-50 dollars over a period of years? I pay more than that on a monthly power bill and don't feel particularly oppressed about it. Granted, in practice it caused a shit storm and blowback. 15 minutes of notoriety isn't going to kill off the message, though, and the ideas generated and supported here are generally far off enough from the mainstream that this is the only way it could generate exposure. The Rational Male isn't going to make Oprah's book club. Rollo Tomassi's stuff is more suited to a Men's Studies department, where people debate the intersectionality of the male experience and how men are oppressed to the benefit of women. There's a time and a place for that but it's going to be a long while. [/QUOTE]
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