What's the oldest age a woman can be for you to seriously consider pursuing a relationship?

Yes, the earlier a woman has kids the better, ideal range I assume is the 20s bracket.
For sure. It's also a multi-faceted issue as well because older people, especially the women will have far less energy to raise children as easily into her later years. There are a lot of other implications for it as well. There's a reason why the most successful societies have always reared youth heavily into early adulthood and early pursuits of marriage, because people are supposed to know who they are into their teens / early 20's and have their life pretty much established by the time they reach their third decade.

Not like this madness going on now where women are in their late 30's or even later thinking they are still in their 20's and planning to start their lives. It's truly amazing how delusional they are!
 

Zagor

Woodpecker
I know a couple of women who had 2-3 children before age 25 and they look fit as a fiddle, you couldn't have guessed that they had pumped out a couple of kids. What I'm saying is that young mothers have the vitality to physically bounce back from pregnancies, while older mothers...
I'm generalising, but there seems to be some truth to that.
 

HKBhusal

Sparrow
For sure. It's also a multi-faceted issue as well because older people, especially the women will have far less energy to raise children as easily into her later years. There are a lot of other implications for it as well. There's a reason why the most successful societies have always reared youth heavily into early adulthood and early pursuits of marriage, because people are supposed to know who they are into their teens / early 20's and have their life pretty much established by the time they reach their third decade.

Not like this madness going on now where women are in their late 30's or even later thinking they are still in their 20's and planning to start their lives. It's truly amazing how delusional they are!

I do completely agree. I remember my mom could only handle my young energy at an age of 4 because she was in her very early 20s. Same precepts apply to today, no difference.

Was it @rooshv who proposed that a woman involve herself in a family in her 20s then when the kids empty nest by her late 30s to 40s she seriously pursue a career?

By that time she has the best of both worlds:

  1. Kids who love her who will take care of her in her old age. Children truly are the MOST IMPORTANT INVESTMENT one can have (not bitcoin, stocks, property, or anything else material and transient).
  2. A career where she can professional dedicate her time and focus to in order to satiate her desire to do something noteworthy in the world.

Or something like that.
 
In my experience the most DANGEROUS age-range of a woman for a man to get mixed up with is the 28-32 year old woman. She is still young enough to be somewhat hot, especially if she took decent care of herself, but she is probably cynical, jaded, bitter, perhaps a bit sinister, she is cemented in her ways, likely locked in a career, she has probably accumulated multiple partners in her past and has an emotional freight-train of baggage and has adapted to a lifestyle that is not even remotely conducive to being a wife and mother. A 28-32 year old woman is usually on a mission, the mission is often "lock down commitment from a man, any man, I have written the script and I need to cast a suitable man in my drama."

Women in their late 30s and early 40s are far less dangerous to most men with common sense, confidence, and self-esteem, because such men tend to not want anything to do with such women.

It is far better to keep your sights on women around the ages of 19-22 or 22-25.

Any woman who truly is family minded, marriage minded, and who wants to be a wife and mother, will be there, or on the road to that, well before 32 and likely well before 28.

There is no reason to ever date a woman in her 30s or even one who is nearing 30. I've made that mistake before, *NEVER AGAIN*.

As they approach 30 they seem to fly into a panic mode and they realize they need to lock in commitment from the highest quality man they can find so they can "check off" the life box of "get married" and then have some kids to accessorize their life.
 
While this applies to most women, not all. Some girls have left a long term relationship for a good reason (like he not wanting kids) at 30, and are still looking for a family and are honestly looking for a traditional honest relationship and to start a family.
 

PUA_Rachacha

Woodpecker
I met my wife when I was 33 and she 23. We married when I was 36 and had our first kid when I was 38. She was 28. She miscarried twice, so it took a bit to finally give birth to our first.

She's given birth to our second child, and we are discussing a third, god willing. We'll likely try later this year when she's 33, a still acceptable age to have a child.

I would think the cutoff point is 27, as most men here alluded to. But I would try to meet that woman at a younger age if possible.

I would've married earlier, but it took me a bit to figure who is an attractive long-term mate (Roissy and the previous RooshV clouded my judgment for a while, although I have no excuses). I burned through multiple relationships with career-charging professionals or doctors, getting along with them fine, but knowing in the back of my mind that it would never work out. Because ultimately, she would never prioritize her husband and family over her career.
 

Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
While this applies to most women, not all. Some girls have left a long term relationship for a good reason (like he not wanting kids) at 30, and are still looking for a family and are honestly looking for a traditional honest relationship and to start a family.

A woman who spent years with a man who didn't want to have a family is a Red Flag. It doesn't take more than a few coffee dates to figure out if a person is serious about marriage/having children. it is 99.9% likely this woman was fornicating ( and on birth control) with this man for all of those years. I understand we are victims of this culture, hence im sure the vast majority of us here have also burned time during own Fornication Partner, AKA "Relationship" Stints (myself included) However, with our current knowledge now, there is no excuse to A)Spend time sinning with a woman only to satisfy our pleasures and B) be sympathetic to an unrepentant, desperate 30 year old who spent 5-7 years fornicating and playing house with a man.
 
I blinked and suddenly turned to my late thirties.

I would prefer to date someone younger, but the younger generation are irredeemably stupid. My standards are pretty high and I'm not afraid of never finding a suitable mate. Men are better equipped for solitude anyway.


I have never been so hungry I was willing to order off the dollar menu at Burger King. I would rather be alone than compromise my standards and principles and go with a low quality woman.

I have had my fill of solid 10 gorgeous knock-outs who were outright insane, borderline personality disorder, high maintenance, etc.

I once said, "a beautiful woman who is a bitch, just wait 10 years and she'll just plain be a bitch" and that "a beautiful woman is like a Ferrari, she may be great to look at but the maintenance costs may just not be worth it."

I know I could go pull a solid #10 19 year old tomorrow but I would have a lot of trouble respecting somebody who would likely be emotionally immature and intellectually shallow, especially since I am an attorney with a background in engineering, history, and philosophy.
 

Chains of Peter

Woodpecker
I have never been so hungry I was willing to order off the dollar menu at Burger King. I would rather be alone than compromise my standards and principles and go with a low quality woman.

I have had my fill of solid 10 gorgeous knock-outs who were outright insane, borderline personality disorder, high maintenance, etc.

I once said, "a beautiful woman who is a bitch, just wait 10 years and she'll just plain be a bitch" and that "a beautiful woman is like a Ferrari, she may be great to look at but the maintenance costs may just not be worth it."

I know I could go pull a solid #10 19 year old tomorrow but I would have a lot of trouble respecting somebody who would likely be emotionally immature and intellectually shallow, especially since I am an attorney with a background in engineering, history, and philosophy.
Difference between me and the rest here is that I never attempted the pickup game.

I mean, I did some degenerate things (raves, and all the "chemical enhancement" that come with it) but could never cross the fornication line (with one exception that had nothing to do with that scene). Maybe it's proof that the Sacraments work.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
I find myself in dead end street when it comes to meeting a girl worth starting a family.

I am 28, so according to some rule mentioned here, ideal age for my future wife should be around 21 years. But the problem is, that girls, who were born around 2000 and later are out of reality (Im generally speaking of age 18-22). Their life perception is totally deformed by living on social media, especially Instagram. The most of them are just "empty". They don´t have anything going on in their lifes, they are not interested by anything and they are so boring.

If we speak about older girls 23-27, there´s different problem. University education in my country is free a that means almost everybody has a degree. It´s some kind of societal requirement and especially girls are over educated (with no real use of course). The most of the girls who don´t get a degree at university are some kind of white trash. That results in the fact, that by this age, they usually finish their degree and start their career. They have no desire in settling down, they only want to build their career and do fun stuff like travel.

Girls in my age area 28-32 are getting their promotions in their corporates and they still think they have got enough time or they are already unsuitale for relationship, thanks to their history. @LawTalkingGuy described them pretty well:
She is still young enough to be somewhat hot, especially if she took decent care of herself, but she is probably cynical, jaded, bitter, perhaps a bit sinister, she is cemented in her ways, likely locked in a career, she has probably accumulated multiple partners in her past and has an emotional freight-train of baggage and has adapted to a lifestyle that is not even remotely conducive to being a wife and mother.


If I somehow didn´t want or couldn´t have a children, I would settle with 35-40 yo women. They are not that damaged by social media and globohomo and I have the best experinces with them, when it comes to clinking with each other on intelectual side.
My issue is that I seek an acquitance, who is equal to me in some way. And I find this in older ones (even though on SMV I am higher).
 
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Difference between me and the rest here is that I never attempted the pickup game.

I mean, I did some degenerate things (raves, and all the "chemical enhancement" that come with it) but could never cross the fornication line (with one exception that had nothing to do with that scene). Maybe it's proof that the Sacraments work.

I was never into the PUA game or lifestyle and never practiced game.

I courted various women at various times [some of them with movie star model good-looks], and have come to realize most women are insane high maintenance drama queens, and being a 10 doesn't count for much. I have an extremely low partner count [especially for a man], single digits and can be counted on one hand, and said count occurred in courtship which I expected was going to lead to marriage.

In any event...

An amazingly gorgeous package can contain a hideously toxic poison.

A truly ugly person can reside within an exceptionally beautiful body.

I would tell any man not to get too enamored with a beauty just because she is a beauty.
 

Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
I find myself in dead end street when it comes to meeting a girl worth starting a family.

I am 28, so according to some rule mentioned here, ideal age for my future wife should be around 21 years. But the problem is, that girls, who were born around 2000 and later are out of reality (Im generally speaking of age 18-22). Their life perception is totally deformed by living on social media, especially Instagram. The most of them are just "empty". They don´t have anything going on in their lifes, they are not interested by anything and they are so boring.

If we speak about older girls 23-27, there´s different problem. University education in my country is free a that means almost everybody has a degree. It´s some kind of societal requirement and especially girls are over educated (with no real use of course). The most of the girls who don´t get a degree at university are some kind of white trash. That results in the fact, that by this age, they usually finish their degree and start their career. They have no desire in settling down, they only want to build their career and do fun stuff like travel.

Girls in my age area 28-32 are getting their promotions in their corporates and they still think they have got enough time or they are already unsuitale for relationship, thanks to their history. @LawTalkingGuy described them pretty well:



If I somehow didn´t want or couldn´t have a children, I would settle with 35-40 yo women. They are not that damaged by social media and globohomo and I have the best experinces with them, when it comes to clinking with each other on intelectual side.
My issue is that I seek an acquitance, who is equal to me in some way. And I find this in older ones (even though on SMV I am higher).

Time to try Churches and/or more remote villages in your country.
 
Im 35+, dating a 23y old now in a non-western country where this is totally normal. She wants a long term relationship with me and I can see it as a possibility. It’s a bit tricky dating younger, they have so much stuff happening in their lives and they struggle with finding things to contribute to the relationship. You do the money, the dates, the house etc, they are young and cute. I can’t blame them, when I was their age I didn’t have my shit together either. I’m okay with this though, with the hope that they will grow into the relationship and learn to contribute a bit more...

I would draw my line at 29 in the west, but in non-western countries at 26 as my market value is so much higher there...


I wouldn't accept a 29 year old Western woman. I've tried dating non-virginal Western women before, this means aged 25-32. It never ended well.

I would never again date a non-virginal woman.

They ALL claim, "I was only with one guy, my former fiancee, he cheated on me, that's why we're not together anymore" or, "I had one boyfriend in high school and we never did anything, then I had a boyfriend in college and we went to bed a few times, he said he loved me, but then he left me, since then I've been on a few dates but I haven't gone to bed with anybody..." meanwhile they're concealing a past as a town bicycle or having been an outright escort or call-girl.
 
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Im 35+, dating a 23y old now in a non-western country where this is totally normal. She wants a long term relationship with me and I can see it as a possibility. It’s a bit tricky dating younger, they have so much stuff happening in their lives and they struggle with finding things to contribute to the relationship. You do the money, the dates, the house etc, they are young and cute. I can’t blame them, when I was their age I didn’t have my shit together either. I’m okay with this though, with the hope that they will grow into the relationship and learn to contribute a bit more...

I would draw my line at 29 in the west, but in non-western countries at 26 as my market value is so much higher there...


I wouldn't accept a 29 year old Western woman. I've tried dating non-virginal Western women before, this means aged 25-32. It never ended well.

I would never again date a non-virginal woman.

They ALL claim, "I was only with one guy, my former fiancee, he cheated on me, that's why we're not together anymore" or, "I had one boyfriend in high school and we never did anything, then I had a boyfriend in college and we went to bed a few times, he said he loved me, but then he left me, since then I've been on a few dates but I haven't gone to bed with anybody..." meanwhile they're concealing a past as a town bicycle.
One can do abortion investigations in the us ? How would that work ?


I would ask the woman to sign a HIPAA release and then I would get her medical files from her primary care physician. It would be noted on her file if she had a pregnancy and if it was carried to term, ended in a miscarriage, or ended in an abortion.

Also, if she has been under the care of a psychiatrist, you can ask her to sign a HIPAA release and let you see her therapist's notes.

I won't allow a woman on SSRIs, SNRIs, anti-depressants, anxiolytics, or anti-psychotics into my house, let alone my life.

If she won't give you her medical records then tell her it just wasn't meant to be, it can't happen. "Well babe, I was really digging you and thinking we were going to be together, but you know if you were going to be on my health insurance I was going to need your medical records first and you don't want to give those to me, so oh well..."
 

monsquid

Kingfisher
Guys, I'm a 45yo practicing Catholic living in NYC. While this forum is certainly depressing it's not surprising. I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I won't get married. That said, I try to do what I can in terms of the gym, diet and dress but I'm definitely a work in progress. Prayers appreciated. Hope springs eternal. Thanks.
Prayers to you brother. Modern culture is the ultimate test from God. Sometimes, in my moments of weakness, I wonder if God is testing me with regard to finding a wife.

Often I wonder if God intends for me to suffer through the modern dating process in order to build a family. If God wanted me to be married I would have been presented with a wife by now at 35 but I am not.

If it is indeed a test, then I must not lose hope and keep striving.
 

sorengard

Chicken
Prayers to you brother. Modern culture is the ultimate test from God. Sometimes, in my moments of weakness, I wonder if God is testing me with regard to finding a wife.

Often I wonder if God intends for me to suffer through the modern dating process in order to build a family. If God wanted me to be married I would have been presented with a wife by now at 35 but I am not.

If it is indeed a test, then I must not lose hope and keep striving.
Thank you and wise words. If I didn't know better, I'd assume God was setting me up to fail. Then I reflect on the scripture verse that gold is tried in fire and the just in tribulation. I'll keep you and everyone else in this forum in my prayers.
 
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