What's Wrong with America: USA Women's Soccer Edition

[Hypno]

Looking forward to the day we end gender separation-but-equal. There should be a single, national team, not one for women and one for men. (sarcasm)

 

[Paracelsus]

This isn't the first time the US women's national team has lost to a mens youth side. But 5-2 to Under 15 boys Academy really shows the ladies' prowess Don't expect to see this covered on SportsCenter :lol:

http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/new...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

I just saw this on the Dailymail website.

What an embarrassment.

I love the way this got little publicity.

The comments section is even more hilarious:

This happens often. My La Jolla Nomads under-16 team murdered the USWNT that won the World Cup with Mia Hamm and Brandi Chastain 5-0 at the Olympic Training Center in San Diego right before they left for the tournament. We were simply too fast and strong for them to compete. Nothing against them, as they were the best of the best in women's soccer at the time and they represented America well.

This is hardly surprising. My U14 boys teams (12 AND 13 YEAR OLDS) were faster and stronger than the U19 women's teams in our league, and we only played them a couple times because it seemed pointless beyond that. So now take a U15 team (14 year olds) against a women's team, and the boys are older, even faster and stronger than my 12 and 13 year olds -- what do you expect to happen? Doesn't matter if the USWNT was trying hard or not, they would have their hands full.

And if you Google "teenage boys soccer team beats womens team"?

First result that comes up: Matildas Beaten 7-0 By Newcastle Jets Under-15 Boys Team. The Matildas are Australia's Women's Soccer Team.

Want to know how the women rationalise it? Hilariously, by claiming that women's soccer is not the same sport as men's!

http://www.mamamia.com.au/the-matildas-loss-is-not-what-it-seems/

As women have (literally and figuratively) entered the arena, and brought with them their own set of skills, strengths, and strategies, it's become clear that men's soccer is not the same sport as women's soccer.

It's often said that men's tennis and women's tennis are two completely different games. The men's game is about speed and power, whereas the women's game is about precision and strategy. It's not a clear dichotomy by any means, but there is a reason tennis doesn't involve matches between Serena Williams and Novak Djokovic - because the outcome would not only be fundamentally unfair, but utterly meaningless.

If they're different games, why should you pay them the same, as women's soccer teams around the world keep pissing and moaning they should?

 

[El Padrone]

U.S. Women's Soccer Team Sues U.S. Soccer For Gender Discrimination. Maybe someone can explain market economics to these people....

The U.S. women's soccer team has filed a lawsuit against U.S. soccer, accusing it of gender discrimination.

The complaint, filed Friday in California district court, argues that U.S. Soccer "has a policy and practice of discriminating" against members of the women's national team on the basis of gender, by paying them less than similarly situated members of the men's team.

Twenty-eight members of the women's team are named as plaintiffs, including many of the sport's biggest stars: Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd and Megan Rapinoe. The lawsuit seeks to be a class action, representing other women who've played for the U.S. national team and who may have been denied equal pay for substantially equal work.

The issue of unequal pay has been a highly contentious matter in recent years, and the U.S. women's team has kept the pressure on U.S. Soccer. The women's team reached a new collective bargaining agreement with the federation in 2017.

Four of the plaintiffs — Morgan, Lloyd, Rapinoe and Becky Sauerbrunn — filed a charge of discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2016, on behalf of themselves and similarly situated players. But no progress was made, and last month, the EEOC issued letters giving the four the right to sue.

"Each of us is extremely proud to wear the United States jersey, and we also take seriously the responsibility that comes with that," Morgan said in a statement reported by The Associated Press. "We believe that fighting for gender equality in sports is a part of that responsibility. As players, we deserved to be paid equally for our work, regardless of our gender."


U.S. Women's Soccer Team Takes Next Step To World Cup
The filing comes on International Women's Day– and less than three months before the Women's World Cup kicks off in France. The U.S. women's team, currently ranked No. 1 in the world, hopes to defend the World Cup it won four years ago.

The U.S. Women's National Team, or USWNT, has consistently been more successful than the men's team. The U.S. women have won the World Cup three times and are four-time Olympic champions. The men's team has never won either tournament and failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.

Despite their success and popularity, the women are paid less by U.S. Soccer than the men. The lawsuit details how the pay gap plays out in myriad ways: Women's players paid less for each "friendly" match, they're paid less for making the team's World Cup roster, and they're paid much less for their performance at the World Cup.

"A comparison of the WNT and MNT pay shows that if each team played 20 friendlies in a year and each team won all twenty friendlies," the complaint says, "female WNT players would earn a maximum of $99,000 or $4,950 per game, while similarly situated male MNT players would earn an average of $263,320 or $13,166 per game against the various levels of competition they would face." In other words, a top-tier women's player would earn just 38 percent of the compensation of a similarly situated player on the men's team.

But direct comparisons of compensation between the men and women can be tricky, as The New York Times notes: "Each team has its own collective bargaining agreement with U.S. Soccer, and among the major differences are pay structure: the men receive higher bonuses when they play for the United States, but are paid only when they make the team, while the women receive guaranteed salaries supplemented by smaller match bonuses."

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/08/7015...eam-sues-u-s-soccer-for-gender-discrimination

 

[Labienus]

They are paid less because no one watches women's soccer and they don't generate money.

Bloody idiots.

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

U.S. Women's Soccer Team Sues U.S. Soccer For Gender Discrimination. Maybe someone can explain market economics to these people....

The U.S. women's soccer team has filed a lawsuit against U.S. soccer, accusing it of gender discrimination.

The complaint, filed Friday in California district court, argues that U.S. Soccer "has a policy and practice of discriminating" against members of the women's national team on the basis of gender, by paying them less than similarly situated members of the men's team.

Twenty-eight members of the women's team are named as plaintiffs, including many of the sport's biggest stars: Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd and Megan Rapinoe. The lawsuit seeks to be a class action, representing other women who've played for the U.S. national team and who may have been denied equal pay for substantially equal work.

The issue of unequal pay has been a highly contentious matter in recent years, and the U.S. women's team has kept the pressure on U.S. Soccer. The women's team reached a new collective bargaining agreement with the federation in 2017.

Four of the plaintiffs — Morgan, Lloyd, Rapinoe and Becky Sauerbrunn — filed a charge of discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2016, on behalf of themselves and similarly situated players. But no progress was made, and last month, the EEOC issued letters giving the four the right to sue.

"Each of us is extremely proud to wear the United States jersey, and we also take seriously the responsibility that comes with that," Morgan said in a statement reported by The Associated Press. "We believe that fighting for gender equality in sports is a part of that responsibility. As players, we deserved to be paid equally for our work, regardless of our gender."


U.S. Women's Soccer Team Takes Next Step To World Cup
The filing comes on International Women's Day– and less than three months before the Women's World Cup kicks off in France. The U.S. women's team, currently ranked No. 1 in the world, hopes to defend the World Cup it won four years ago.

The U.S. Women's National Team, or USWNT, has consistently been more successful than the men's team. The U.S. women have won the World Cup three times and are four-time Olympic champions. The men's team has never won either tournament and failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.

Despite their success and popularity, the women are paid less by U.S. Soccer than the men. The lawsuit details how the pay gap plays out in myriad ways: Women's players paid less for each "friendly" match, they're paid less for making the team's World Cup roster, and they're paid much less for their performance at the World Cup.

"A comparison of the WNT and MNT pay shows that if each team played 20 friendlies in a year and each team won all twenty friendlies," the complaint says, "female WNT players would earn a maximum of $99,000 or $4,950 per game, while similarly situated male MNT players would earn an average of $263,320 or $13,166 per game against the various levels of competition they would face." In other words, a top-tier women's player would earn just 38 percent of the compensation of a similarly situated player on the men's team.

But direct comparisons of compensation between the men and women can be tricky, as The New York Times notes: "Each team has its own collective bargaining agreement with U.S. Soccer, and among the major differences are pay structure: the men receive higher bonuses when they play for the United States, but are paid only when they make the team, while the women receive guaranteed salaries supplemented by smaller match bonuses."

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/08/7015...eam-sues-u-s-soccer-for-gender-discrimination

This is a perfect example of biased reporting.

I went through the original story. The word "attendance" does not come up. Nowhere does it mention that revenue comes from ticket sales. Nor does it mention broadcast rights or any other means in which these teams generate money to pay the players.

This is like writing a story about '60s music and complaining that Captain Beefheart was paid less per concert than the Beatles...but failing to mention the Beatles were filling Shea Stadium while Beefheart played clubs.

The people who read this stuff just assume there is some great Boss In The Sky who doles out pay un-equally. They don't realize that it's like the NBA vs. the WNBA. Audience matters.

 

[T and A Man]

"substantially equal work"

If it doesn't generate the same income, as a spectator sport, how can it possibly be classified as substantially equal work?

What gives sport, "substance", as a vocation is revenue generated.

Women have every, and equal, OPPORTUNUTY to generate the same income.

 

[Delta]

There is absolutely no logical difference between this and if some D League G League players sued the NBA for pay inequality, a lawsuit that would be laughed off the face of the earth.

 

[Robert High Hawk]

In a normal world, if they were so underpaid they could just go on strike. That would absolutely have an immediate effect. Except nobody would care. They need to use the totalitarian Govie to extort money instead.

 

[SlickyBoy]

U.S. Women's Soccer Team Sues U.S. Soccer For Gender Discrimination. Maybe someone can explain market economics to these people....

We are talking about women who wait until their SMV peaks and then get more choosy about who they will date. "Must have this & that" OMFG, please.

Their price goes up as their market value goes down - economics isn't anything they could ever grasp.

Is it any wonder why women usually make terrible CEOs?

 

[Sp5]

The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.

 

[SlickyBoy]

The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.

In the places where soccer matters to people, they give even less of a shit about women's soccer than they do in the US.

As you can see from the empty stands and hear in the fake applause, US demand is already artificially supported.

 

[El Padrone]

^ Those "tiny" Central American countries could wipe the floor with most teams in FIFA using only their B teams. I'm not sure about Canada, but i would not mention Mexico and Canada in the same sentence when talking soccer.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.

This is the same argument the pro-USWNT feminists try to make. Yes, the women's team is better than the men's--relative to their respective level of competition. The men compete in the most popular sport in the world and, disastrous WCQ notwithstanding, are probably around the 25th-30th best team in the world. The women compete against like 8 other countries that actually even attempt to field competitive women's teams. As evidenced by the routine beatdowns of the USWNT by 14-year-old boys teams, the level of play isn't even comparable. This argument is akin to saying that players on the best team in a beer league should be paid better than a mid table club in the Premiership or Bundesliga.

There are other differences in the pay structure for the two. The men are paid by appearance with the national team, and aside from tournament bonus money it usually isn't a lot compared to what they make from their club teams. However, any eligible player can be called into the team. The women's team on the other hand has around 30 or permanently rostered players, they are paid a salary by the US Soccer Federation which includes subsidizing their salaries at their club teams--the non-USWNT players at these clubs get less than 10k/year mostly. Their CBA also effectively freezes the team's roster by limiting the number of appearances that can be given to players outside the roster of ~30 in any given year. Not only that, the limit is so low that it would effectively prevent a non-rostered player from participating in a major tournament like the Olympics or Women's WC (I think the coach can add new players to the roster once a year or maybe every other year). So, the players' greed in effect hinders the team's effectiveness--if a new young star were to emerge in the year of a WWC, she would effectively be barred from taking part by the established players' CBA.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

^ Those "tiny" Central American countries could wipe the floor with most teams in FIFA using only their B teams. I'm not sure about Canada, but i would not mention Mexico and Canada in the same sentence when talking soccer.

Also, Mexico did not perform any better in the previous WCQ cycle than we did in the most recent one (actually finished with one fewer point). The difference is that, as they were seconds from failing to qualify, we bailed them out with two extra time goals in Panama City in a game that was utterly meaningless for us as we'd locked up a bid 2 games before. Clearly, we should not have done that.

 

[911]

The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.

The USWNT only competes with the handful of small western countries that are also infected with cultural marxism, like Sweden, Norway and Canada, where the level of play is even more pitiful than in the US. A lot of players on the US or Canadian national team wouldn't have started on my pub side team of 30-somethings.

Competitive soccer is not an appropriate sport for girls, they get serious injuries like concussions and torn ligaments at a rate far greater than boys, about 8x the rate of ACL knee injuries. Women's physionomy with weaker knees and wider midsections is not built for the kind of strain and contact of competitive soccer.

Another reason this sport is very toxic is that nearly half the players are hardcore lesbo 3rd wave feminists, they are incredibly poor role models for girls in the West, the worst kind of toxic feminism.


These womyn should vote for Andrew Yang, he will provide them with $1,000 every month, which is about what they're worth from an athletic standpoint.

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.

This is the same argument the pro-USWNT feminists try to make. Yes, the women's team is better than the men's--relative to their respective level of competition. The men compete in the most popular sport in the world and, disastrous WCQ notwithstanding, are probably around the 25th-30th best team in the world. The women compete against like 8 other countries that actually even attempt to field competitive women's teams. As evidenced by the routine beatdowns of the USWNT by 14-year-old boys teams, the level of play isn't even comparable. This argument is akin to saying that players on the best team in a beer league should be paid better than a mid table club in the Premiership or Bundesliga.

There are other differences in the pay structure for the two. The men are paid by appearance with the national team, and aside from tournament bonus money it usually isn't a lot compared to what they make from their club teams. However, any eligible player can be called into the team. The women's team on the other hand has around 30 or permanently rostered players, they are paid a salary by the US Soccer Federation which includes subsidizing their salaries at their club teams--the non-USWNT players at these clubs get less than 10k/year mostly. Their CBA also effectively freezes the team's roster by limiting the number of appearances that can be given to players outside the roster of ~30 in any given year. Not only that, the limit is so low that it would effectively prevent a non-rostered player from participating in a major tournament like the Olympics or Women's WC (I think the coach can add new players to the roster once a year or maybe every other year). So, the players' greed in effect hinders the team's effectiveness--if a new young star were to emerge in the year of a WWC, she would effectively be barred from taking part by the established players' CBA.

"Yes, the women's team is better than the men's -- relative to their respective level of competition."

Speaking of their level of competition, does anyone remember when the USA national women's team was beaten by a team of under-15 boys from Dallas, Texas?

It happened two years ago and there was a lot of buzz about it -- including somewhere on this forum. Below are some links:

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

https://www.90min.com/posts/4833646...ional-team-were-apparently-beaten-by-u15-boys

https://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-fc-dallas-u-15-academy-team-beat-the-u-s-women-s-national-team-5-2

 

[debeguiled]

Tell you what, Sp5, when the natural inclination of someone who truly loves sports stops being to laugh watching woman's soccer, then they will get their pay raise.

 

[Malone]

Easy fix. Gender is a social construct, so let's eliminate the men's and women's team and just have the football team. (Not soccer, heathens.)

Any women that can make the grade get in. Problem solved.

 

[El Padrone]

^ I'm pretty sure that is being passed around in some circles now but where half each team MUST be women. if they could do it to the fucking boy scouts, to little kids in school with gender fluidity, etc... Don't underestimate the power of the media once they get their marching orders. Its always a joke till one day, its not.

 

[Hypno]

I used to coach a boy's U-8 team so I would watch quite a bit of ladies soccer because it was only slightly more advanced.

The whole business of ladies sports is just a giant transfer payment. As Malone said, there should be a single team without regards to gender. Trannies are going to eventually make that obvious. If you look at ladies tennis, these days it's dominated by so called women who look like men, and they aren't even tranny.