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<blockquote data-quote="TravelerKai" data-source="post: 1200330" data-attributes="member: 7561"><p>Great post.</p><p></p><p>History books discuss these things, just not a grade school level in any depth. Usually it is a footnote for Industrial Revolution and Child Labor. </p><p></p><p>Unions were created because owners treated people like absolute shit. Human societies were absolutely savage. </p><p></p><p>Pre-Industrial and Industrial America (not to mention Great Britain) were absolute meat grinders. Child labor to some extent was the straw that broke the camel's back. Some things like food issues helped, but the momentum was started from issues related to labor.</p><p></p><p>When people are discussing slavery, some people wonder how something so awful could exist in the first place. That's simple. Human beings were little better than animals in terms of their general regard for human life. Life was extremely cheap. Look at how they treated free people. </p><p></p><p>All this goes back to the issue of Feudalism. We tend to study Feudalism in terms of just a political system of governance. Feudalism was a culture more so than just a mere style of governance. </p><p></p><p>"Respect your betters."</p><p></p><p>Ring a bell? Of course. The class structure you were born into was how your life worked out. Feudalism did not even fully end into the mid 1800s. Yeah, the mid 1800s. The end of WW1 was like that time you found yourself balls deep in an old ex girlfriend (feudalism), then once you nutted, you realized what a terrible mistake you made. WW2 was the time you found a new girlfriend that was no different than the ex because your mindset never changed even though you realized the mistake of the previous woman. </p><p></p><p>So in a technology booming Earth, people are still treating each other like dogs in the street, trying to eat any and all other dogs, because the culture had not caught up with the sheer speed of technology gains. The brutality just got more efficient and automated. You are talking about people that are 1, 2, or 3 generations removed from being born serfs. That's not enough time using history as a guide on how fast/much human culture changes. People are stubborn and old bad habits take a long time to die, especially those that are hundreds of years old. </p><p></p><p>General wealth is also a factor. More wealth tends not to change general greed, but if the average person has more wealth or income in general, these issues tend to lessen. Even a janitor in the USA is loads wealthier than your average person in a disorganized undeveloped country, like Congo for example. </p><p></p><p>All in all, you have to have unions if the laws of the jungle are still valid in your society in any way shape or form.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TravelerKai, post: 1200330, member: 7561"] Great post. History books discuss these things, just not a grade school level in any depth. Usually it is a footnote for Industrial Revolution and Child Labor. Unions were created because owners treated people like absolute shit. Human societies were absolutely savage. Pre-Industrial and Industrial America (not to mention Great Britain) were absolute meat grinders. Child labor to some extent was the straw that broke the camel's back. Some things like food issues helped, but the momentum was started from issues related to labor. When people are discussing slavery, some people wonder how something so awful could exist in the first place. That's simple. Human beings were little better than animals in terms of their general regard for human life. Life was extremely cheap. Look at how they treated free people. All this goes back to the issue of Feudalism. We tend to study Feudalism in terms of just a political system of governance. Feudalism was a culture more so than just a mere style of governance. "Respect your betters." Ring a bell? Of course. The class structure you were born into was how your life worked out. Feudalism did not even fully end into the mid 1800s. Yeah, the mid 1800s. The end of WW1 was like that time you found yourself balls deep in an old ex girlfriend (feudalism), then once you nutted, you realized what a terrible mistake you made. WW2 was the time you found a new girlfriend that was no different than the ex because your mindset never changed even though you realized the mistake of the previous woman. So in a technology booming Earth, people are still treating each other like dogs in the street, trying to eat any and all other dogs, because the culture had not caught up with the sheer speed of technology gains. The brutality just got more efficient and automated. You are talking about people that are 1, 2, or 3 generations removed from being born serfs. That's not enough time using history as a guide on how fast/much human culture changes. People are stubborn and old bad habits take a long time to die, especially those that are hundreds of years old. General wealth is also a factor. More wealth tends not to change general greed, but if the average person has more wealth or income in general, these issues tend to lessen. Even a janitor in the USA is loads wealthier than your average person in a disorganized undeveloped country, like Congo for example. All in all, you have to have unions if the laws of the jungle are still valid in your society in any way shape or form. [/QUOTE]
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