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<blockquote data-quote="Dodgy" data-source="post: 1200334" data-attributes="member: 14003"><p>To be honest, you described a situation at nearly every coffee shop, fast food, deli, or slow food restaurant where staff takes 30 minutes to clean the place. The problem from a business owner's perspective is that if you hire janitors, you hire more employees. More employees not only means more wages paid out, it also means more payroll taxes and more workers compensation payments. This results in higher costs to keep the place running and less net profit to the owners. And if the owners aren't making enough profit to make running the place worthwhile, then the whole business shuts down and the employees are out of a job. </p><p></p><p>And most Pro-Union arguments always reference the 19th and early 20th century working conditions as reasons for a union, but those conditions don't exist anymore. As Traveler Kai mentioned above there has been sweeping federal and state legislation protecting workers that didn't exist in those times. </p><p></p><p>Also, pro-union advocates always reference the predatory corporate JD Rockerfeller-type owner who counts his money while his workers starve. But that's not the reality anymore either. Most corporations are run by boards and shareholders and many of the biggest ones would shit bricks if they a had a potential PR disaster from poor working conditions. </p><p></p><p>And if you think about it only 1% of all corporate business owners can afford to needlessly fuck around with employees and not have to worry about the resulting loss of productivity or inefficiency from disgruntled employees, or from protracted lawsuits. That's another point missing from pro-union advocates is that there has never been a time in history where employees (or everyone for that matter) has access to lawyers with a simple Google search. And with modern courts rules and state laws, it's never been easier to file lawsuits no matter how ridiculous the claim. And on the flip side, litigation has never more been expensive. </p><p></p><p>So that's my personal deterrent for not screwing my employees. Because even the dimmest one can find a lawyer who can sue me, which forces me to spend money and time on protracted litigation that may end with me paying a settlement, or losing at trial and being at the mercy of an ultra-liberal judge when they assess punitive damages against me. And that fear is what gets non-union employees their breaks, lunches and overtime.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dodgy, post: 1200334, member: 14003"] To be honest, you described a situation at nearly every coffee shop, fast food, deli, or slow food restaurant where staff takes 30 minutes to clean the place. The problem from a business owner's perspective is that if you hire janitors, you hire more employees. More employees not only means more wages paid out, it also means more payroll taxes and more workers compensation payments. This results in higher costs to keep the place running and less net profit to the owners. And if the owners aren't making enough profit to make running the place worthwhile, then the whole business shuts down and the employees are out of a job. And most Pro-Union arguments always reference the 19th and early 20th century working conditions as reasons for a union, but those conditions don't exist anymore. As Traveler Kai mentioned above there has been sweeping federal and state legislation protecting workers that didn't exist in those times. Also, pro-union advocates always reference the predatory corporate JD Rockerfeller-type owner who counts his money while his workers starve. But that's not the reality anymore either. Most corporations are run by boards and shareholders and many of the biggest ones would shit bricks if they a had a potential PR disaster from poor working conditions. And if you think about it only 1% of all corporate business owners can afford to needlessly fuck around with employees and not have to worry about the resulting loss of productivity or inefficiency from disgruntled employees, or from protracted lawsuits. That's another point missing from pro-union advocates is that there has never been a time in history where employees (or everyone for that matter) has access to lawyers with a simple Google search. And with modern courts rules and state laws, it's never been easier to file lawsuits no matter how ridiculous the claim. And on the flip side, litigation has never more been expensive. So that's my personal deterrent for not screwing my employees. Because even the dimmest one can find a lawyer who can sue me, which forces me to spend money and time on protracted litigation that may end with me paying a settlement, or losing at trial and being at the mercy of an ultra-liberal judge when they assess punitive damages against me. And that fear is what gets non-union employees their breaks, lunches and overtime. [/QUOTE]
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