When are you justified to start a fight?

[Lumiere]

The only justification for fighting is self defence.

Are you really going to wait until it gets that far?

Yes. Never lost a fight in my life though I am not in the habit of starting them - starting fights is juvenile.

Last fight I had I beat the crap out of the guy. Fight over in about 5 seconds but he took the first swing (which I dodged). Same dude had been giving me crap and threatening me for months in the bar and every single time he did I offered to take him outside and sort it out.

Every time he backed down. One night he was drunk and stupid enough to say yes so I sorted him. He had a black eye for two weeks. Next time I saw him he patted me on the back and said fair play and that he deserved it. Never had a problem with him since.

 

[el mechanico]

The only justification for fighting is self defence.

Are you really going to wait until it gets that far?

Yes. Never lost a fight in my life though I am not in the habit of starting them - starting fights is juvenile.

Last fight I had I beat the crap out of the guy. Fight over in about 5 seconds but he took the first swing (which I dodged). Same dude had been giving me crap and threatening me for months in the bar and every single time he did I offered to take him outside and sort it out.

Every time he backed down. One night he was drunk and stupid enough to say yes so I sorted him. He had a black eye for two weeks. Next time I saw him he patted me on the back and said fair play and that he deserved it. Never had a problem with him since.

Lumiere, be careful,,that may work at the TGI fridays next to the mall but, In most places it will get you hurt.

 

[Malcolm Tucker]

I don't have an answer for you. I have an answer for me, but it is not an answer for you. The reason is because we are different people who come from different places and we are in different situations in our lives.

But I can tell you that if you are serious about this topic, read The Little Black Book of Violence and then think about what it says. Look it up on Amazon. I'm not getting a dime from the sales, but let's just say I wish I had read it when it was a kid because it would have make the violent situations I put myself into and found myself in much more avoidable than they otherwise were.

Seriously do it. I read it a couple of years ago and if I had a son he'd read it at about 14 years old because it tells the real world no bullshit realities of how and why violence begins, what happens during fights, and what happens afterwards. And it's punctuated by graphic photos to illustrate its points.

If that doesn't help you decide what'd right for you than I don't know what to tell you.

 

[YoungGunner]

always try to de-escalate, but while you're de-escalating think how you would go about taking him out if he tries anything. unless there is an apparent danger/threat you can't talk your way out of or just leave it's not worth it. People will see who throws the first punch and tell on you. Plus, you don't know if he has friends nearby. the more people who get involved on both sides in a fight the more chaotic.

 

[speakeasy]

always try to de-escalate, but while you're de-escalating think how you would go about taking him out if he tries anything.

I've been thinking that the best way to open a fight would be with an upward palm heel strike to the nose. If you are facing each other and the fight is imminent. Just throw it out without warning using he element of surprise. That could end a fight in one strike. VERY painful and bloody for the recipient. If you take your own palm and firmly press against the area above the upper lip, it's very sensitive to pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JM6els2NI

I used to train with these two. That chic is tough, she kicked me in the balls once.

 

[pitt]

Speakeasy is a complicated situation. I think it all depends on how the guy will respond to you when you tell him that he needs to pay the drink, if he acts all violent, then beef is on, if he is just on the friendly vibe, then it should be cool.

Fuck, now i remember that this shit happened to me not that long ago haha. I was at the club/bar with my ex girlfriend and a friend of mine, These 2 guys were fighting inside the club/bar, next minute one of them drops my drink..im already upset, so i go to him (he was a lot bigger than me btw), you just dropped my drink, you have to buy me a new one..i think my confidence also made him a bit scaried, so he just took out the money and bought me a new drink.

But that was 2 years ago and i was a bit angry at the time..dont know if i would have reacted the same way if it happened now..i think it all depends how you feel at that time, how the other guy is acting and what place/city you in..you dont play a super hero wherever you go to.

However you shouldnt feel like a punk for whatever happened.

 

[Roosh]

Most annoying is when the dude is insanely drunk. He doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't respond to reason, and doesn't care about getting beat up. Yeah you could knock him out but your night would be ruined anyway. With drunk dudes I give him the benefit of the doubt and not take it personally.

If the dude is drunk I'll get out of his way and let him hassle someone else, but if a guy is just trying to act tough or be a dick I stand my ground.

 

[Aliblahba]

Most annoying is when the dude is insanely drunk. He doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't respond to reason, and doesn't care about getting beat up. Yeah you could knock him out but your night would be ruined anyway. With drunk dudes I give him the benefit of the doubt and not take it personally.

If the dude is drunk I'll get out of his way and let him hassle someone else, but if a guy is just trying to act tough or be a dick I stand my ground.

9/10 times drunk guys will apologize later for acting like a douche.

 

[Kona]

Last fight I had I beat the crap out of the guy. Fight over in about 5 seconds but he took the first swing (which I dodged).

The Artful Dodger!!!!

I don't read this forum much anymore. I came in and read in a few spots that Lumiere still talks about being the coolest guy in the world. There's one where he's talking about his "rocker" style that cracked me up. In another he says American men are emasculated and act like women. Reading that from this bitch made me laugh. Now he's telling the folks he's tough!

I've seen you Lumiere, remember? You can't fight for shit!!

After being involved in martial arts for thirty years, and with all of the military training and experience I've had, trust me when I say I can size people up pretty quickly. Keep wearing that jacket. I could have choked you out in about 6 seconds with that collar.

Pussified or emasculated or any of the other big words you want to use about American men is fine with me. I'll let those threads go. What you and I both know is that 95% of American men would smack your punk ass. I know you want to sell your lifestyle and game coaching services, and I don't want to fuck up your hustle, but don't be talking like you're tough. Just stick to talking about how running up on starving Filipinas makes you the shit.

To relate my comments to this thread, if you are one of the 5% of the population that is a bigger pussy than Lumiere, stay away from him. You'll wind up with a black eye for two whole weeks.

Lumiere, Can I crash on your couch????

Aloha!