When did you get redpilled on WW2?

[Denam8487]

Growing up, I was led to believe that America's victory in WW2 was one of our nation's finest moments. I was reared on things like Schindler's List, the Diary of Anne Frank and Saving Private Ryan. The picture of the "kissing sailor" was seared into my mind as the proud reminder of how love and freedom defeated the tyranny and grotesqueness of Nazism and fascism. After all, my grandfather was a WW2 Veteran who was on a U-Boat and so I had a lineage of the noble and just Allied Powers.

Here is what I was led to believe for basically all of my life.

1. That FDR was one of the greatest presidents ever and that's why he got elected to 4 terms. Winston Churchill was a no-nonsense badass and while Stalin may have been rough around the edges, he didn't become a "bad guy" until after the war and he was still less evil than Hitler.
   
2. I That Hitler was the worst human being who ever lived and we can know with a certainty that he's in hell (even if we don't believe that anybody else is in hell) and that he got off to killing Jews and conducting cruel medical experiments on them. And he killed SIX MILLION Jews. I repeat: SIX MILLION!
   
   
3. That it was unambiguous that Hitler and Mussolini were worse than the most comically evil villains like Hannibal Lector.
   
   
4. That the Holocaust was the worst atrocity ever committed because the Jews were just peacefully minding their own business when out of nowhere they were sent to Death Camps where they were gassed, raped and systemically executed day in and day out. For absolutely no reason at all other than the fact that Hitler wanted a pure Aryan master race.
   
   
5. That the Nazis were the worst collection of racist, sexist, anti-semitic and homophobic monsters ever.
   
   
6. That the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, while regrettable, were necessary because of an imminent Japanese threat. And that Japan started it because of Pearl Harbor so the bad acts basically canceled each other out.
   
   
7. That the internment of the Japanese-Americans, while cruel, was still infinitely more merciful than the concentration camps and wasn't really that big of a deal.
   
   
8. That the Lienz-Cossacks basically had it coming because they were racists who allied themselves with the Nazis.
   
   
9. That America had no choice to step in and save the day or else we would all be speaking German because Hitler was a supervillain who wanted to take over the entire world.

Here were things that were never taught to me and I had to learn about on dissident forums.

1. The disasterous conditions of the Weimar Republic.
   
   
2. Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik revolution
   
   
3. The proposal of the Morgantheu Plan
   
   
4. The execution of tens of millions of Christians by the Bolsheviks
   
5. That the Japanese were on the brink of collapse and surrender prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki
   
   
6. That the number of "6 million Jews" was likely a miscount and could very well be .05% of that figure. And even within that figure, some of the deaths were caused by Allied bombardment.
   
   
7. That there were no gas chambers as the architecture of the supposed chambers would not have been able to prevent poisonous gas from leaking out.
   
8. That FDR forcibly imprisoned over 100,000 Japanese-American citizens without due process and nearly 2,000 of them died due largely to poor living conditions.
   
   
9. The NYTimes promoting "Germany Must Perish" by Theodore Kaufman who called for the forced sterilization and genocide of the German population.
   
   
10. The forced repatriations of millions of POWs and how tens of thousands of them were summarily executed.

It's only in the past few years or so that I've been able to undo this programming. If I didn't hate the American Dream of "liberal democracy" before, I downright despise it and find it evil now.

 

[Cavalier]

World War 2 was ultimately a war against Jewish Communism. After defeating the opposition they have infiltrated and taken control of every government, corporations, media and all other important institutions. Unfortunately the majority of the population will not believe it.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Some reason, even as a young child in the 1980's I knew something was wrong with the US version of WW2. My grandfather fought in WW2 in the pacific theatre and he simply wouldn't talk about it, at least the fighting aspect of it. It ruined him and I am sure the rest of his life he suffered nightmares and flashbacks.

I would meet people from Germany or hear people talk about Germany in glowing aspects. Even Hitler was considered "very intelligent but evil" as if he was some super villain. It seemed clownish to be even as a child, especially knowing so many people, myself included, who had German ancestry. The excuse that he "hypnotized people with his eyes to do unspeakable things" never seemed legit either.

In high school I did a research paper on the 3rd Reich and used the usual source materials, being this was the mid 1990's, and still nothing really felt concrete. On one hand it was unbearable conditions in Germany on the other hand the Germans were living the life of luxury while Americans were going hungry during the great depression. Even the official US narrative was full of holes that I couldn't fill.

As time went on I would randomly meet people from Europe and they never came across as anything other than nicer/more refined/women were way better version of the Americans I grew up with. I was always very impressed by them. Especially so the Germans and Nordic country folks. As time went on I had countless people, who lived in Germany or visited Germany, tell me I should move there because I would fit in better. I still have never been to Germany but the pictures of it I see I feel this is true. The questioning of the narrative just grew and grew, something was missing. But I worked long hours week after week and had motivations in other places so I never sat down and researched it. It was always in the back of my mind.

Then came Donald Trump in 2015 and the reaction to him from the right wing donor class really put this in the front of my mind. Who were these awful monsters telling me that wanting my family and friends to have a decent life and stop endless wars was "racist"? The podcasts were flying out. Who should I listen to? Who should I follow?

It honestly came down the night of the inauguration and the spiff between Spencer/TRS v. Cernovich and the Alt-Lite. I didn't know much about Spencer/TRS but I wanted to hear their side of the story. And when I heard it, I knew they were telling the truth and the reason they were being censored so much heavier. With the TRS guys I discovered Eric Striker, who eventually joined TRS, and that solved the puzzle.

If anyone here is looking for the real story behind WW2 there are great documentaries. But I think Eric Striker cuts through it all the quickest and will link it back to where we are today in 2022. There are other great sources but Striker has the ability to cut off the fat and give you the hard facts, that are of the most relevance to today, and he does so in a timeline leading up to today.

 

[Denam8487]

As time went on I would randomly meet people from Europe and they never came across as anything other than nicer/more refined/women were way better version of the Americans I grew up with. I was always very impressed by them. Especially so the Germans and Nordic country folks. As time went on I had countless people, who lived in Germany or visited Germany, tell me I should move there because I would fit in better. I still have never been to Germany but the pictures of it I see I feel this is true.

Not too long ago when my wife and I bought our house, she asked me if I wanted to put an American Flag out front and I told her no. And it wasn't just because I can't stand the current Global American Empire and how we export sodomy, hedonism and degeneracy to the rest of the world and financially support atrocities committed by Israelis and Saudis. It was also because I'm just so disillusioned about this period of 20th century Americana that I'm told to revere by liberals and conservatives alike.

I remember being programmed to think that all Vietnamese were communists with suspicious eyes that patrolled their huts with AK-47s. Then I travelled to Vietnam and was treated exceedingly well. Strangers let me into their house and brought me fresh fruit and water simply because I was their guest. They harbored no resentment against me despite the Vietnam war not being terribly long ago. I didn't witness any public displays of lewdness, begging or profaneness; just large families living in bustling communities.

 

[The Beast1]

It started with my disgust of the 60s, viewing it as disgusting hedonism. Then I discovered the truth about how poor the conditions of Weimar Germany were. Wikipedia called it a "golden age" of jazz, music, and entertainment. Then I read stories of starving widows and their young daughters double dealing themselves in Berlin.

The rest fell into place.

 

[Sherman]

I was a child when the World War II generation was around. I remember seeing a lot of badly wounded and permanently crippled men walking around. Some of them barely sane. I remember asking one veteran why he didn’t have a thumb. He said: “Because I sucked my thumb when I was your age, so don’t suck your thumb”.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I've never dove into the Holocaust narrative, but given the fact that everything in the mainstream narrative is a lie I'd say it's likely that it's at least overstated by numbers, although I think it's absolutely true that there were destruction camps with tremendous suffering. With regard to red pilling on WW2, my red pill was when I studied Jay Dyer's Tragedy and hope lectures on Youtube, from Carroll Quigley, a CFR insider and official historian. What you see there is basically that WWI and WW2 were engineered by the same elite, their predecessors, that orchestrate the corona and tranny and so on stuff now, in short the entire global agenda and direction of the world. They needed WW2 to destroy both Germany and the USSR in favor of the Jewish/goyim counterpart led Anglo-American establishment (also a book by Quigley). They needed that because the overal agenda is always and has always been at 1 thing: furthering centralization of power. With strong nationalist power blocks and national cultures, this wasn't possible. WW2 was the perfect guise to destroy the continent and bring about the UN, international cooperation, anti-nationalist narrative and so on. Imagine, every message against mass migration since the 70s for example has been countered by ''but the nazi's...''. It's been a managed destruction exercise by the elite. Moreover, if you dive deeper you see very strong Anglo-American industrial and banking powers that sponsored both the USSR (for example Schiff, American industrialist) and Nazi-Germany (IBM, administration for the camps).

 

[GodGiveMeStrength]

If anyone here is looking for the real story behind WW2 there are great documentaries.

I'd like the documentaries please.

Also if anyone has any book recommendations I'd appreciate that too, specifically WW2 or Civil War.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I'd like the documentaries please.

Also if anyone has any book recommendations I'd appreciate that too, specifically WW2 or Civil War.

I got most of my information from Eric Striker and he in turns references books and "controversial" speakers on the issue. I can't remember them at the current time, other than "The Greatest Story Never Told" which is on Bitchute. I have never watched, I fear I would get very upset watching it and I don't want to put myself in that place. But for those discovering the red pill, I believe it is a great place to start.

 

[Bird]

I have never watched, I fear I would get very upset watching it

May we ask why?

 

[It_is_my_time]

Another angle is Norm Macdonald's comedy routine. He would once in a while reference Hitler in some funny way that made the entire story about WW2 seem like nonsense. I can't find the clip, because the way Norm presents it is so damn funny, but he did a joke on it once that went like this.

"Have you heard about this Adolph Hitler guy? He sounds like a real jerk!"
Assistant: nervous, "yes... yes..."
"He has killed 6 million Jews. What a JERK! Why don't we just go kill him?"
Assistant: "Well, he is already dead so..."
"Oh, well darn. Such a jerk. Just imagine if we had a time machine and we could go back in time and kill him. That would be great"
Assistant: nervous "okay..."
"I mean look at him, what a jerk. But his eyes, oh man, his eyes are almost hypnotic by themselves. Oh no, just imagine if we went back in time to kill Hitler and instead he looks at us and hypnotizes us with his eyes and we end up fighting for him? That would be just awful!"

 

[It_is_my_time]

May we ask why?

How could anyone not get upset watching it? Being lied to in a way that lead to the deaths of millions upon millions of innocent Christians. The destruction of the west based completely on lies. It makes me almost sick thinking about it and it isn't a head space I want to put myself in when I have so much work ahead of me. But for people who don't know the story from the German side or are just discovering the red pill, the documentary is excellent.

 

[easterbunny2020]

December issue of Culture Wars magazine has some great articles on the holohoax.

 

[clzoomer]

Hot take: the holocaust was a large scale display of evil and Hitler had no right to detain all those Jews.

 

[Cavalier]

Hot take: the holocaust was a large scale display of evil and Hitler had no right to detain all those Jews.

Many of the Jews detained were Communists and saboteurs. All over Europe especially in Germany before the war the Jews were promoting Communism as they did in Russia. Once Hitler was elected they threw a tantrum and organized boycotts of German goods. How dare he oppose Communism? They agitated and baited Germany to attack Poland through terroristic acts against ethnic Germans. An importtant point is they were interred in labor camps, there were no extermination camps. The only extermination of people taking place near that time period were millions of Christians being murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia.

 

[paternos]

When I visited Treblinka. The contrast between alleged pyres and diesel exhaust killing chambers that killed a million.

And the proof, a leftist archeologist with support of Jews found like 20 graves with all modern technologies.

Finding Treblinka Project

This ongoing research project aims to use innovative forensic archaeological techniques to investigate the former Nazi extermination and labour camps at Treblinka. Over the last twelve years, the team have devised new methodologies that account for the ethical and religious sensitivities...

www.staffs.ac.uk

And what I saw myself, part a working camp, part transport. All very normal.

The lie is of a grandiose proportion. And that got me thinking. And other lies, like why were millions of English boys sacrificed in WW1 in Belgian trenches? Boys that never said foot on the continent.

The population has been abused for generations and generations, and is today as we can see. I had to turn everything around in life. Because if you start uncovering, i realized my whole life was built on Jewish lies.

 

[Renzy]

American Pravda: Holocaust Denial

Reason Magazine and Holocaust Denial A few years ago I somehow heard about a ferocious online dispute involving a left-leaning journalist named Mark Ames and the editors of Reason magazine, the glossy flagship publication of America's burgeoning libertarian movement. Although I was deep in my...

www.unz.com

Although only around 4% of Russia’s population was Jewish, a few years ago Vladimir Putin stated that Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government, an estimate fully consistent with the contemporaneous claims of Winston Churchill, Times of London correspondent Robert Wilton, and the officers of American Military Intelligence. Recent books by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Yuri Slezkine, and others have all painted a very similar picture. And prior to World War II, Jews remained enormously over-represented in the Communist leadership, especially dominating the Gulag administration and the top ranks of the dreaded NKVD.

Both of these simple facts have been widely accepted in America throughout my entire lifetime. But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close. And yet, by the astonishing alchemy of Hollywood, the greatest killers of the last one hundred years have somehow been transmuted into being seen as the greatest victims, a transformation so seemingly implausible that future generations will surely be left gasping in awe.

 

[JustinHS]

I recently heard that Hitler never wrote a disparaging remark about black people, and that his racism was also a lie. I haven’t combed through his writings to confirm this, however.

 

[JoeChill]

"That the Japanese were on the brink of collapse and surrender prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

Nagasaki was founded as a Christian (Catholic) city. I've heard conspiratorial rumors that the Allied forces targeted this city for precisely that reason (i.e. to derail Christian evangelism). Is there any truth to these claims? Isn't it strangely symbolic that one of the atomic bombs was dropped directly on a cathedral?

The "Fat Man" bomb detonated directly over Urakami Cathedral, the largest cathedral in the entire Orient. Truman and other U.S. officials later claimed there was a military target: the Mitsubishi shipyard. But Brock's Car flew three miles past the shipyard before dropping its payload.

 

[Helmsman]

Nagasaki was founded as a Christian (Catholic) city. I've heard conspiratorial rumors that the Allied forces targeted this city for precisely that reason (i.e. to derail Christian evangelism). Is there any truth to these claims?

Christian evangelism in Japan was derailed in 17th century when they shut their borders to the world for 200 years amongst other reasons. Nagasaki contained a number of industrial facilities and had not been significantly bombed (there had been 5 minor raids) to the degree of most other major Japanese cities. No, there is no truth to these claims.