Where have all the good women gone?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GOOD WOMEN?

1. Women are taught to not be good.

We spend quite a lot of time in the online talking about feminism and the media, and the effect it has on women. Sex in the City teaches women that they can sleep around for 20 years without consequence. Anti "body shaming" rhetoric teaches women they can be fat and still hold their value. Women are taught if they work a $100k career that men will want to cater to them. They are lied to by unattractive feminists so they become unattractive themselves.

Most women who have any connectivity to the world at large succumb to the siren song of the carousel, chasing a career, living in the fast lane and/or the drive thru lane at McDonalds on the belief that Prince will be waiting for her when she crosses the finish line at 30.

2. Dating Apps is too much of a temptation for most women

Dating Apps have thousands of thirsty men for women to scroll through. They get free dinners, endless guys wanting to sleep with them, and thousands of simps doting over their selfies. This ruins women. What would be a good girl prior to the internet now sleeps around, revels in attention, and gets inflated expectations from the free dinners.

3. The Betty Crocker Housewife is denigrated

Many old feminists who cannot get a relationship (much like the incels who cannot get sex) wind up bitter at the young mothers who stay home with their 4-8 kids. There is resentment. An old feminist will say that the good married girl is a slave to her husband (while she works in her cubicle), and scoff at women who sacrifice for their children. It really is jealousy. (Not unlike the incels who call men who get girls "puxxy beggars"). People in general get mad at others who get what they can't have and will berate them.

Unfortunately, young impressionable women listen to this and think maybe family isn't for them, at least not until they hit 30 and they get the baby rabies. By then, however those would-have-been good women are not good anymore.

4. Good women get old

I know of a few women (in church) whom I believe still are virgins or only have one or two notches while they are approaching 40. They were reasonably good women back in the day, but they focused on their careers for too long, were too picky, and/or with age developed alpha tendencies which are off putting to men. The years of solitude creates an attitude of independence in women that is not appealing. They turned their necessity (independence) into a virtue. These women have aged out and are no longer good.

SO WHERE ARE THE FEW REMAINING GOOD WOMEN?

1. Good Women are Fairly Rare and Disappear Quickly

Looking at my high school class in my small hometown, there were maybe 1 or 2 girls whom I would have considered for marriage. Both were clean, good looking, and were pleasant to be around. That is, until they went off to college. One left her Catholic house, became a feminist hippy and went off the deep end for more than a decade. She eventually married a professor (beta provider) and now lives on the Oregon Coast. The other dropped out of college, married her High School sweetheart at 19 and they now run a huge cattle ranch near my hometown (husband's family has money). There were 5 other girls in my class who were sluts and/or ugly that I avoided. So in the sample size of my class, there was only 1/7 or 14% whom I would consider a good find. This particular girl dated her HS boyfriend and married him, so she would have never been on the market for any guy over 18 and looking.

In church, the young virginal 18 year olds get attention right away, and guys are looking to latch onto them right from the opening gate. Since all women want sex but the good girls will wait until marriage, the good girls will marry by 20, or they will marry by 22 if they decide to go on a mission (that was my wife). I come home from my mission, and we start dating that week (we previously had an awkward casual but not so casual dating relationship). So really, there was only about 6 months where she was on the open market. Compare that to an average woman who spends 10-15 years on the open market, and that reduces their availability to maybe 5 percent of the average woman's time. Multiply the ratio of good women AND the time they are on the market and you have less than 1% of available women on the market actually being good girls.

Never will a good girl go to the typical meet markets like bars, clubs, dating websites, or frat parties. They hang out with a rather exclusive group and will be suspicious of any new guys who follow them to their hangouts. So if you are a typical guy with typical friends, cruising the typical places, you will never see them. Or at best, see them only in passing in your college classes. They will be wearing plain clothes, keep to themselves, and be suspicious of unfamiliar guys hitting on them. You need to become a part of her group and take time to win her over.

2. Good women don't like slackers/rebels/boring/bad boys/thirsty/poor/short/skinny/.....etc.

A good girl is in high demand. You must be good looking, and conquer each of the Men's Walls. You cannot be thirsty and simpish or you will probably latch onto a chameleon before properly vetting her. If you are thirsty, you won't get a good girl, and you will probably end up paying for it.

Good women have unnaturally high morals, and will expect the same from you. You have to be a clean guy, have a strong moral character, be dependable, but at the same time be exciting to her and play to her AWALT tendencies. In short, you have to be the young Chad who the women will flock to, but also you have to turn down any loose women to placate her "good" side. Demonstrate that you are a Christian Chad by dating (not sleeping) around in her little community. Like all women, good women will want only guys that other women want, but she will want you to not sleep around with them either. It is a difficult balance, too difficult for most guys to have.

3. Good women have a short shelf life

Like I said, they are rare. I really don't think there is a good woman out there over the age of 24 who is not already married. A good woman will want to marry off ASAP so they can get sex without moral issues. A good woman wants to have a family to take care of. All of the 40+ women I mentioned that have a low notch count were more interested in having a career and making names for themselves than a family. Then there are divorced women who may have been good, but that act of divorce will destroy a woman's innocence and she will become hostile, a user, or just too old.

If you are young enough, and think you have what it takes, look at the religious colleges, look in churches (not the "repentant" women in their 30's), look at grocery stores. Try to become part of positive social groups. But most importantly, become the young man that a good woman wants and win her over.

4. If you do get a good girl, work to help her remain good.

So you luck/skill out and manage to marry a genuine good girl. Your work has only begun. A good girl will follow you wherever you go, which means if you only put up a facade to win her over, she will follow you into your naturally lower character state (or lower than that if she sees you as a hypocrite and seeks petty revenge) You will need to continue to go to church, read your scriptures, be faithful, stay away from bad habits, have clean language, watch clean media, etc. If you fail at this, she will fail to remain good, and you will be where too many people are today.

5. Good women are not available to you under most circumstances

In short, if you are over 30, they don't exist for you. By definition, a good available woman is 18-24. If she is a good woman that young, she will not want you if you are over 30. She will want to build a family with a young, good looking, ambitious man, not latch onto someone who is older with money (those are called "gold-diggers" and will be looking to divorce-rape you eventually). Best to accept things as they are and move on with your life. You missed your shot.
 

bucky

Pelican
tl;dr, but I did read point 5. I was in my early 40s when I met my wife, she was in her late 20s. A bit outside of your arbitrary age range, but she was devout Catholic and still a virgin, and she's a great wife and mother to my kids. Admittedly, we met in her country in Latin America, where women like her are easier to find. If you can get to Latin America and attend church and be willing to not pressure the good girls into sex, you can still find a good wife there. This is one of the better options for guys who want good wife material, but there have to be other ways, even in Anglo countries. You seem to have given up, which is your right, but I'd discourage other guys from doing so.
 
I suppose I would say that you need to accept that a good marriage may be out of your grasp and find peace elsewhere in your life.

Actually, I have a good marriage for 16 years now, six kids. I was 28, she was 23. This is a piece I wrote up for another website, thought I could post it here and see what the response is.
 

bucky

Pelican
Married man who's been out of the game for 16 years telling other men to give up on finding a wife. Riiiiight.
I agree. Why black pill the young guys. Debilitating terror of "divorce rape" was one of the hallmarks of the degeneracy and godlessness of the old RVF. I can see why a man who doesn't believe in God and sees no higher purpose than the acquisition of "notches" and material wealth would dread "divroce rape" to the point of choosing to never have a family out of cowardice. That's what the Devil and his angels want, to prevent men who would otherwise be a force for good from raising children.

I wouldn't want a nasty divorce where I lose all my material wealth and my children either, but I didn't choose a life of empty "notches" and materialism out of fear. I don't believe my wife will ever leave me and take my money and children, but were it to happen I'd try to take it like a modern day Job, and I'd still have God.
 
Monastic life has never looked more attractive. With VirusRegime threatening to take away dissenters' ability to earn for themselves, there's no greater protection than a vow of poverty. Plus, there are millions of unbelievers who need full time prayer warriors for them.

I'm considering it for myself, but I won't get in the way of men who earnestly want a family life for themselves.
 

robinman

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Society is becoming very secular to the point where being a slut is "normal", and that degeneracy even seeps it's way into the church community, as if by osmosis. So even Church girls aren't guaranteed to be Chaste.

Very difficult to find a virgin girl aged 18+ in society
 
I agree. Why black pill the young guys. Debilitating terror of "divorce rape" was one of the hallmarks of the degeneracy and godlessness of the old RVF. I can see why a man who doesn't believe in God and sees no higher purpose than the acquisition of "notches" and material wealth would dread "divroce rape" to the point of choosing to never have a family out of cowardice. That's what the Devil and his angels want, to prevent men who would otherwise be a force for good from raising children.

I wouldn't want a nasty divorce where I lose all my material wealth and my children either, but I didn't choose a life of empty "notches" and materialism out of fear. I don't believe my wife will ever leave me and take my money and children, but were it to happen I'd try to take it like a modern day Job, and I'd still have God.
The system is stacked against you at least in western Europe.

You either have enough money (we're talking 200-300k+) to send your kids to fancy private schools that prep them to be puppets for the elites or they become cannon fodder in "diverse" schools "educated" by man hating feminazi hags competing for low wage jobs thereafter.

Good luck trying to maintain some sort of autonomy without you or your kids getting dragged into the anti male, anti family system.

As for virginity, I wouldn't give too much about that, my wife has been with one guy before and we're married for a decade already.

Unless the guy was quantitatively much better than you (earned a lot more money, huge dick, more fun etc.) it's not a deal breaker.

What you need to look for is natural happiness, a good heart and keeping her the hell away from bad influences.
 
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bucky

Pelican
The system is stacked against you at least in western Europe.

You either have enough money (we're talking 200-300k+) to send your kids to fancy private schools that prep them to be puppets for the elites or they become cannon fodder in "diverse" schools "educated" by man hating feminazi hags competing for low wage jobs thereafter.

Good luck trying to maintain some sort of autonomy without you or your kids getting dragged into the anti male, anti family system.

As for virginity, I wouldn't give too much about that, my wife has been with one guy before and we're married for a decade already.

Unless the guy was quantitatively much better than you (earned a lot more money, huge dick, more fun etc.) it's not a deal breaker.

What you need to look for is natural happiness, a good heart and keeping her the hell away from bad influences.
Home schooling is illegal in most European countries, isn't it? I'm with you on public schools, I dread the thought of having to send my kids to one. That said, I still don't advise young men to die childless out of fear.
 
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Home schooling is illegal in most European countries, isn't it? I'm with you on public schools, I dread the thought of having to send my kids to one. That said, I still don't advise young men to die childless out of fear.
I agree, but she has to be high quality. If she isn't, then you are really putting yourself at risk. You get divorced (50%) and she blocks you from the kids, you still die childless.
 
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There are plenty of good Christian women, they're just not going for the types of men in this forum. They're going for Ross from Friends.
Nope, they're going for someone like Andy Griffith. (yes I had to go that far back in media to find someone). They want a guy who is kind, clean, but still competent. Ross does not project competence.
 

bucky

Pelican
The guys on the old forum would tell you that you're putting yourself at risk regardless whenever you get married. I would agree with them. I don't think my wife will ever leave me and take the kids, but I'm not going to tempt fate and say it's impossible.

I'd say it's better to have children you can't see than have no children at all.
 
Agreed, there are things you can do to minimize your risk. Namely, go to the same church, throw away the TV, regular date night, budget together, have kids, wife stays home, homeschool the kids, minimize social media, etc. It isn't a roulette wheel. One of those is starting off with someone high quality. I would say it is better to try to find a good woman to be your wife. If you cannot, it would be better to not have married someone who will potentially destroy you. I seen it happen to too many people around me to just ignore it and hope for the best. 50% divorce rate, 70% initiated by women.

My oldest brother lost half his assets twice, got cheated on, and still never had kids of his own. The best he got was 6 years of raising step kids then divorced once they got out of the house. Talk to people who been through divorces, or lost their kids. It would not be fun.
 
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