Ireland, we have the worst of it in terms of attitude and looks, as any Irish man who goes abroad can attest to, we absolutely kill it with women outside of these shores. That says all you need to know.
Where is the dating imbalance most in the "West"?
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Steve McQueen said:
Same applies for British men. British men overseas even in places like France or Germany do extremely well. For me, America was like paradise, the easiest place in the world to pull; essentially being British there gets you groupies.
Other parts of the U.K can be easier if you are from a big city like London. It goes a long way, as it has a certain amount of prestige; even if you come from the ghetto.
Resource boom towns so places like Fort McMurray (Canada), Karratha (Australia) or Williston (USA). Imagine walking into a bar or club and the male to female ratio is about 70:30 (or worse) and all of the guys there are cashed up, aggressive, blue collar types who will not think twice about trying to take your girl or knock you the fuck out. I think it may be a bit unique to the Anglosphere because I haven't met any Europeans who remind me of these guys but basically a lot of the dudes in these towns look like (or often are) MMA fighters so lots of tattoos, mohawks haircuts, gaudy clothing and tacky jewelry. Many of them train hard at the gym and most do anabolics, at the club they get very drunk and are usually also fucked up on cocaine or some type of speed. Combine all that with extreme thirst do to the lack of women and you end up with a lot of aggressive dudes who will actively cock block and AMOG you or straight up try to fight you. I"m not exaggerating when I say that I feel much safer at bars and clubs in Colombia than I do in these types of places in blue collar Canadian towns.
LikeABaller said:
What's the deal with Turkey, Spain and Italy, cultural reasons mainly?
John Michael Kane said:
Lots of beta males, but most of the women are dogs.
John Michael Kane said:
There are some great hunting grounds in the Bay Area, like Golden Gate Park if you're on a good weekend league team. By and large it's not as good as Southern CA, but at least there are a lot fewer fatties in the Bay Area than in your average big city. The problem is that they tend to be frumpy, and way too indoctrinated, especially the transplants who come from more conservative states to live the lifestyle.
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I've lived in the Bay Area for many years. Even the rare cute chicks are almost always pozzed SJWs. They disgust me. I don't care how cute a girl is, I don't want to date a feminist. That means 90+% of SF girls are out. There are actually conservative parts of Southern California. As for the female engineers, most are plain Jane's. Still, the business school actually has some cute girls.
Australia without a doubt. Not even close. Where fat pigs are being chased by ripped guys.
London is much easier than Melbourne. Don't underestimate the difference open immigration from Iron Curtain & Central European countries and France/Italy/Spain has on dating dynamics
Surreyman said:
These points are moot.
If the tree is rotting, the tree is dying.
Toronto is a dating market that would seem that North American cities mature and then decay into at their worst.
I don't want this post to turn into a typical Toronto rant. More so just the highlight the levels of thirst and the overall decay of the sexual marketplace here. My theory for a while is that this is what North American cities mature into at their worst and as cities elsewhere progressively get worse they will start to mirror what is happening in Toronto currently more and more.
If other North America and West cities were like Toronto men would be jumping off buildings. My personal belief is that Canadian kindness keeps men polite here, but also the large ethnic makeup of the city makes the dark underbelly of all this taboo. One can also add to that the mixture of the ultra feminist tropes of the city that empower female sexuality over a male, plus the large gay population here which clouds people's general perception of excessive male sexual activity. The activities happening in that gay scene is in its world largely divorced for the straight population aside from those men that double dip, but people mistake it for overt sexuality for men as a whole here in Toronto which is simply incorrect.
Some of the shenanigans I see happen here only occur in entire dystopian dating markets in the developing world. Think of brazen cash for access in Lagos where a woman won't even sit down for a drink with you unless you pay here, or Mullah mileage in Saudi Arabia where ultra rich men horde women wall the masses of men go sexless, or like in China with women with so many options the demand everything at each step of the courting interaction as they have all the leverage in their youth. Those places are at their extremes, but you get subtle doses of such things here in Toronto which has no place being here in the West.
To lead now into the thirst present here in Toronto. I will just say it bluntly that the majority of men here get no action. The proofs of this start to creep up if you turn over the rotting word and you see the worms of all the sexual sub-services such as Sugar Daddies, P4P, Massage parlours and Cam Girls which all have blown up to cater to these sexless men here. I have never seen such a subversive level of massage and p4p in a city in my life. Say what you want about Vegas, but it is all just window dressing, it is many times much easier to find a whore here in Toronto. Hell, you will meet whores casually while out about gaming and socialising. The men on RVF complain about Toronto, and we practice game, what about the millions of men in Toronto who don't? Blue balls for them.
Here is a story for you... Imagine the fucked up feeling of smashing some broad you swooped from a lounge and then after the fact and chilling in bed talking, and when work comes back up into the conversation she reminds you what she does for work. "Freelance" turns into her being a "working girl" and you just kind of sit there and shiver. Most men would be surprised and somewhat shocked, but I'll tell you that it wasn't my first time that has happened to me here in Toronto. The first time it was a Cam Girl, you just stopped getting shocked at it all I guess.
If I were tech savvy enough, I would use Code API shit to scrape Craigslist as a way to measure thirst for various cities. You have gold mines of data such as the hollow dark internet cave of the Craigslist "M4W Casual Encounters" page where thirsty men put up ads for women that don't exist and will never reply. This is the perfect, imperfect way to measure male thirst in a metro area. If you control maybe for population ratios, it could give you a solid informal picture of city thirst.
To give you an idea of the levels of thirst here let me show you the stats I could pull up informally just now.
I just tallied the searches for today, only and this is what comes up:
Toronto GTA M4W Casual Encounter Ads as of 7 am: 195
New York Metro M4W Casual Encounter Ads as of 7 am: 319
Okay NYC obviously is ahead, but, you have to look deeper and account for population sizes.
Toronto Metro (GTA): 6.0 Million
NYC Metro: 23.8 Million
Remember NYC Metro is almost the size of Canada which is 32 Million. New York is eight times the size of Toronto, and yet Toronto beats NYC of thirty ads relative its population.
Any big conclusions from that? It is no surprise for me but for outsiders it shows in informal way numbers wise the sheer density of thirst here in Toronto.
The men who do find companionship here date down with much lower quality women then they the men could seek in other places. Common site to see men who appear to have their shit together walking around with wet dogs and cats which are actually their girlfriends.
Story time...
This dude from my work after a few months away is back and goes from showing me on his phone the hot bitches in Spain he was smashing while travelling to now the exact opposite. Me knowing simply by body language and his hesitation to tell us boys at work for fear we will chide him is now him dating/seeing this hogged out mutt at our workstation. She was hot... 30 pounds ago ... and has let herself go and has just got round and soft (she is so soft now I thought it was her sister; at one point in time her sister did work there as well, but she was younger, thinner, and much hotter). The softness has made all her bad mutt features come out in full force now. She still thinks she is the hotty though that she was 30 pounds ago, so her attitude is still the same of course. She always tries to get food from me, so I just give her plates of warm carbs to munch on at work hoping she gets much more fat, and my buddy gets the clue to run away. Not sure why this guy is shacking up with her, maybe it is because of the cold, and he wants some blubber to keep him warm for the winter months, but his story mirrors many men here in Toronto.
This Toronto place is a battlefield. Some of the stuff I see here would make you mortals cringe.
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Easy_C said:
The men in these schools who are normal betas (not ones with social issues) tend to get snapped up by women fairly quickly, at least the relationship oriented ones. Women that go to STEM schools generally speaking are the hottest of the hot (duh!) but they also tend to be smarter than your average soft-science majoring girl. They aren't my type, but there's not much SJW'ing going on at major STEM schools. Because of the surplus of men, women don't do hookup culture as much, so they tend to actually get into stable relationships more than party schools that focus on soft sciences.
scotian said:
I laughed out loud at this part!
When I worked for a particular oil services company back in the day, we had a Fort McMurray field office with a bunch of workers up there. Saying those dudes were ROUGH, is an understatement. They always confused me back then because I thought Canadians were these laid back passive types of people. Those dude were meaner than any Texas Redneck for reasons I did not understand, until you made this post. They were still mean even if they came to visit me in my office. Even joking or razzing them, would get you a staredown like they wanted to go.
Now I feel like I just got closure on something today.
John Michael Kane said:
In 2012, I went to SF for 2 days. I did not see even one woman that qualifies as hot to me. At best, barely passable/fuckable 5s that are not STR worthy. Butch dykes and feminist looking SJWs everywhere. That was a major redflag and I never went back for even a longer stay just for curiosity reasons. I had no idea why other black men would report that the place is a goldmine for brothers. I guess if you think a fat SJW white woman is an upgrade, then I suppose so.
The whole place smells like piss and there are homeless everywhere. The Tenderloin is an American tragedy and disgrace. Probably more so than Detroit is. To me the city is just disgusting as are most of the people there. Even the Asian/half Asian mixed teenagers are fucking fat.
Recently playing Watch Dogs 2 and man does it bring back memories of that place and time.
kosko said:
The average young Toronto man is a strange creature, though. I swear to god people know I'm foreign by the way I walk and fact I don't grin when ordering a coffee.
The men of Toronto are just so weak and childlike, they always have a facial expression like a labrador that's just come home from a walk. A lot of them seem to be VERY easily offended, I saw a guy I know having a conversation with an Australian man, and he was just incapable of handling their sense of humour.
And their speech. So many of them talk like women, even uptalking and saying 'like, you know' etc.
Having been here for a few months, I believe that the Toronto men are a huge part of the problem. I'm not talking about everyone, but definitely a huge and noticeable part of the population.
Not to start (or restart) a thread topic, but would only a major economic collapse leaving a handful of halves turn the likes of Toronto or other cities around? Or are we seeing the decline transitioning to SA and soft pro in the West, as major entities as careers and paper pushing jobs dwindle?
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TravelerKai said:
A very accurate assessment of modern day SF. The city is the perfect encapsulation of what happens when ultra-rich liberal techies profess love for everyone, but then gentrify the crap out of everything, making sure there are even more homeless, as nobody can afford the rents. The parasites are truly in control of that city. An attractive woman in San Francisco is truly a rare sight compared to LA, SF or Chicago.
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