Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

Tippy

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Good point about needing to find a skeptical country. That's my exact fear with Mexico. As I noted before, Mexicans are excessively obedient, rarely question authority, and rarely complain.

Albanians in my experience will see through this as political b.s. They may not be keyed into everything but they will surely sense there is something scammy about it. The whole mentality in the Balkans is to mistrust and have zero faith in their governments. I think they realize they are being played by their government, and I think their government is just playing the EU to get handouts.

Serbians would be a good choice because they have an incredibly strong national pride and are religious. I don't see the vax passport being received very well there.

I do worry about being stranded somewhere. As of now, airlines still allow for the PCR test, and one could go a circuitous route through Istanbul to Mexico for example and then go across the border. But this is all speculation, things could change. I think we would get some kind of notice though and be able to adapt. For the short term it's best to choose something because anything is likely better than UK, CA, USA, etc.

Yes...I think the same thing about governments there. It's all about money.

The positions they are mandating with vax are groups more likely to be obedient anyway in my opinion.

Anything IS better though one small thing is at home there is the safety net of places to stay/go into hiding. Not a very appealing prospect to be exiled in ones own country as basically a non-citizen though. But it is increasingly looking like that will basically be the only option in coming years. Maybe some alternate networks will develop and hippie style communes...not sure.
 

Jaeric

Sparrow
It looks like they are planning to impose restrictions again in October so I'd say if you are leaving it should be in the next 2 weeks.
In Canada I would say we get Vaccine passports in early October after the elections. I booked a flight to Bucharest and will bounce between the least restrictive countries in the area.

I noticed when looking at the https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions map, it varies depending on which country you live in.
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
What are predictions on what will happen after this winter?

If everything goes down, millions will drop, the 'internet Apocalypse' will hit, supermarket shelves will empty, and they'll impose quarantine zones...

Then once the sun comes back, what?

EVERYONE will panick buy any land where you can grow food?...

Or people will be locked in place?
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
In Canada I would say we get Vaccine passports in early October after the elections. I booked a flight to Bucharest and will bounce between the least restrictive countries in the area.

I noticed when looking at the https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions map, it varies depending on which country you live in.

You're in Canada?

So you guys can still leave?

The govt announced their plans to close the border and gave you notice?

That's good news if so, as I was planning to go to the UK but I don't want to get caught by a snap announcement.
 

Jaeric

Sparrow
What are predictions on what will happen after this winter?

If everything goes down, millions will drop, the 'internet Apocalypse' will hit, supermarket shelves will empty, and they'll impose quarantine zones...

Then once the sun comes back, what?

EVERYONE will panick buy any land where you can grow food?...

Or people will be locked in place?
They want to roll this out to children under 12 eventually, so you can't have too many people die all at once. Just enough to scare people and blame the unvaccinated.

Some countries will move more towards what it is happening in New Zealand and Australia. I think Canada and the U.K will be on that list.

I think most people who could afford to and were inclinded to have already bought land where they could grow food.
 

Jaeric

Sparrow
You're in Canada?

So you guys can still leave?

The govt announced their plans to close the border and gave you notice?

That's good news if so, as I was planning to go to the UK but I don't want to get caught by a snap announcement.
Yes we can still leave now.

Our current Prime Minister announced plans for a vaccine passport and then called an election. Both of the parties that have a chance at winning have said that they will implement a vaccine passport.

Our media is also pushing a surge in Covid cases starting in October.(According to their models)

I figure the window is closing, so I booked my ticket and will be gone before the end of September.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
In Canada I would say we get Vaccine passports in early October after the elections. I booked a flight to Bucharest and will bounce between the least restrictive countries in the area.

I noticed when looking at the https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions map, it varies depending on which country you live in.


This 'bouncing between countries' really is going to become a thing of the past, certainly without yielding to vaccinations, or eternal PCR tests, or chancing it with forgeries etc.

I'd find it mentally exhausting tbh. Especially when the regulations change at the drop of a hat. Constantly planning your next move with all this stuff going on, i dunno, i'd find it draining.

I'd recommend getting somewhere where you can at least bed in for the winter. I dont know about your Visa situation as a Canadian, but doing 90 day runs to and fro, with whatever the Elites have in store for us this winter, i couldn't be doing with it.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
... And who suspect what's coming.

Things could be very different once the masses know what it's like to be starving.


I dont think there's going to be any kind of starvation in the near future, at least in the West. Planning for this eventuality is a bit like planning your life around the possibility of a meteor strike. If it were to happen, then outright anarchy would break out, gangs going door to door, looking to rob, rape and pilfer.

What can you realistically do to prepare for this - certainly if you're not in a country with gun rights. You can have a small-holding in the country with chickens, eggs, vegetables etc, plus locked down supplies for 6 months, but if people are legit starving, then how can you a) morally hoard it for yourself, and b) defend your property against attackers.

I dont see this as being part of the Elites (immediate) plan anyway. More just seizing control via constant gaslighting and media spin. It's worked for them thus far, if it ain't broke why fix it.
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
I dont think there's going to be any kind of starvation in the near future, at least in the West. Planning for this eventuality is a bit like planning your life around the possibility of a meteor strike. If it were to happen, then outright anarchy would break out, gangs going door to door, looking to rob, rape and pilfer.

What can you realistically do to prepare for this - certainly if you're not in a country with gun rights. You can have a small-holding in the country with chickens, eggs, vegetables etc, plus locked down supplies for 6 months, but if people are legit starving, then how can you a) morally hoard it for yourself, and b) defend your property against attackers.

I dont see this as being part of the Elites (immediate) plan anyway. More just seizing control via constant gaslighting and media spin. It's worked for them thus far, if it ain't broke why fix it.

I dunno...

Movies like 'Contagion', 'Generation Z' and others have empty shelves and people rioting for ration packs.

There's that Kissinger quote about controlling the people with food.

Starving people will do anything to eat, including getting vaxxed... so it's A1 coercion.

I can totally see them doing it...

I can see them letting all hell break loose for long enough to impose martial law and 5km quarantine zones...

So you're right, in urban areas you'd have no chance, but if you're in a remote rural area, beyond urban reach you could be ok.

Personally, I'm looking at a bug-out place away from the city, because you're right... to jettison all to prep for something that might not happen is too big a sacrifice.

But, "plan for the worst", right?
 

aynrus

 
Banned
Vietnam had been touted earlier as escape place (in the 2nd Escape thread).
Apparently, a Vietnamese citizen just got sentenced to 5 years in prison for "violating covid rules", and this transgression was not doing self-isolation after he returned home from a big city and heading out of the home to apply for unemployment benefit, etc.

 

aynrus

 
Banned
What are predictions on what will happen after this winter?

If everything goes down, millions will drop, the 'internet Apocalypse' will hit, supermarket shelves will empty, and they'll impose quarantine zones...

Then once the sun comes back, what?

EVERYONE will panick buy any land where you can grow food?...

Or people will be locked in place?
Nothing new and apocalyptic is going to happen in winter....just more of their vaxx pushing and employer mandates, more annoying border restrictions, vaxx passports here and there and full grocery store shelves in the Western countries, people getting fatter than ever.
 

aynrus

 
Banned
Mexicans....are obedient....until they join cartel and start killing government soldiers or something, which is what's been going on for the last few years, or decide to steal something, or illegally cross a border or something. Seriously, my experience with Mexicans is that they were some of the least obedient people (just like Russians), they just don't do it in the open.
But gullible?...yes, and may be they wear masks not out of obedience but because of having been brainwashed.

Serbia - again, Serbia already has adult mandatory vaccination law on the books, that is being enforced too (not enforced hard but if you're a foreigner it will be enforced on you), for all things such as tetanus, hepatitis, etc and this law had been recently expanded to make it open-ended, to accommodate new vaccines. And Serbia is to join EU, and that's why this recent big vaxx push for a show.
My bets are on Mexico, if you compare just these 2 countries.
 
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aynrus

 
Banned
For now the best you could get is a 1 year residency. And it appears likely to me the govt would require a vaccine for people renewing the residency. Something 'official' like renewing a visa is the thing that will trip you up.

Now you're onto something. This is what I've been pointing out all along, in another Escape thread.
 

WhiteWolf

 
Banned
Just returned from a trip around Hungary and Romania. In Hungary, it was unbelievable. They are living there, like 2 years ago, before fake pandemy. No masks in the streets, shops, trains, anywhere. Restaurants were full of people, concerts, football matches, everything. The only reminder of the scary virus to me was a couple of German tourists walking like aliens to the Aldi supermarket with respirators.
Except this, you wouldn't know, that some fake virus exists.

On the land border no control, except border with Romania, where they checked the ID for 3 sec. But they didn't care about covid tests or vax pass.

Romania was a little different. No control on the land border, but you were welcomed with mobile containers where you can get a johnson vaccine. (but they were empty with bored nurses inside).
Inside a country, a lot of vaccine propaganda everywhere, in the center of Bucuresti, a big vaccine drive-thru (totally empty during the working day in the otherwise crowded city center).

In the cities and big malls, you are forced by security guards (with a mask under chin) to wear one.
Seaside and rural country, no masks.
I visited also the famous Bran Castle (Dracula castle) where these pathetic liars established another vaccine point with a silly banner presenting Dracula's teeth and vaccine needles (also empty).

I spoke with some Romanians, and they seemed based, don't believe official propaganda a single word, there were big protests last year against the covid totality in the cities, and they said, that their government is just corrupted globalists puppets.

Anyway, Romania was an interesting country, where I met on the empty beach many times full dressed Orthodox Nunes (from the near monastery), and just 200 meters away was another beach, full of naked nudists. (Seems a popular thing there).
Surprisingly a lot of women even on public beaches were topless there and Romanian women frequently don't seem to care a lot about wearing a bra even when clothed. (you need to watch your eyes there constantly).

But Romanian women were pretty, and I was told by one Romanian living a long time in the west, that generally, they are much more feminine and softer than Russian or Polish women.

Just be prepared for a less developed country (not a disadvantage sometimes), a lot of stray dogs (but harmless, and I like dogs anyway), and in some places lots of trash (littered beaches and rivers).

Romanian vaxx rate is 26%, lowest of the EU after Bulgaria (15%)
Despite constant vaccine propaganda, they now even offer a 20 euro food stamp with your vaccine lol.
Many vaccines have been sold to other countries because people are not taking them anymore.
I think everybody who wanted the vaxx already got it months ago so that means 74% of the population refuses the poison...that is actually great compared to western countries.
However half of the young people have left the country and i suspect the diaspora have a much higher vaxx rate.
In 2020 more romanian babies were born outside romania, than in the country itself.
Some very stange stuff is going on here, people are leaving the country but the housing prices have skyrocketed... and not just housing, everything is becoming more expensive...food, gas, electricity...everything.

Hungary is 55% vaccinated so that is a dissapointment, i expected the Hungarians to have more common sense.

Bosnia and Ukraine might be interresting places right now.
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
Nothing new and apocalyptic is going to happen in winter....just more of their vaxx pushing and employer mandates, more annoying border restrictions, vaxx passports here and there and full grocery store shelves in the Western countries, people getting fatter than ever.

How can you be so sure?

One thing that makes me think you might be right is that the Jewish schmittah year just started.... when they are supposed to let things lie fallow for a year...

One thing that makes me think otherwise is that 'maintain momentum' is a core military principle...

Why wouldn't they step things up?
 

Serge Korol

Pigeon
Orthodox
Strangely enough, During the Covid lockdown here in Ohio, The legislature took away the RINO governor Dewine's ability to impose another mask mandate or any emergency measure without legislature's approval. I wonder if this state isn't bad after all.
 
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