Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

[aynrus]

How can you be so sure?

One thing that makes me think you might be right is that the Jewish schmittah year just started.... when they are supposed to let things lie fallow for a year...

One thing that makes me think otherwise is that 'maintain momentum' is a core military principle...

Why wouldn't they step things up?

I try not to get too paranoid, not to dig too much into "what might happen with 1% probablity", and enjoy my life not letting these worries about unlikely things eat into it. So far I've been having a blast with all the US travel I had done, and I had faced a lot of dangerous situations in these trips to remote areas but I don't sit and worry about it unnecessary. When things happen - if they happen - I deal with them.
Apocalypsis you described has negligeable probability. It's not about what might happen, it's about the probability of it happening.
There's higher probability I get killed driving on the mountain highway next week, yet I still drive.

 

[aynrus]

The positions they are mandating with vax are groups more likely to be obedient anyway in my opinion.

Medical workers and teachers in the US are some of the most obedient groups, definitely. Any slightest criminal conviction pretty much disqualifies one from working in the medical field in any capacity and forever; teachers also have restrictions on this. Care workers (largely unskilled labor in medical field) had been subject to FBI fingerprint record requirement for quite a long time. Flu vaccine mandates in the medical fiend had started years ago. There had been drug testing requirements for work. The signs of the tightening noose had been around all along.

 

[WhiteWolf]

BTW i dont understand you americans wanting to flee to eastern europe. Seems risky and difficult to me. If i was an american and location independand, i would just move to rural texas or florida or some other middle of nowhere place that has internet connection. You really wanna go to a place where you dont know the language, culture, no friends/family, no permanent residency?

Maybe if you speak fluent spanish and have dark hair/eyes you might wanna look at rural colombia or argentina or some other Lat Am country where you can blend in and where it's easy to get a visa....but EE or Asia? No way.
Better to just stay in you homeland and find a good place there.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

Yes we can still leave now.

Our current Prime Minister announced plans for a vaccine passport and then called an election. Both of the parties that have a chance at winning have said that they will implement a vaccine passport.

Our media is also pushing a surge in Covid cases starting in October.(According to their models)

I figure the window is closing, so I booked my ticket and will be gone before the end of September.

Some very stange stuff is going on here, people are leaving the country but the housing prices have skyrocketed... and not just housing, everything is

@WhiteWolf - Are you in Romania? I may have to go there, if only briefly, soon.

 

[fortyfive]

I think everybody who wanted the vaxx already got it months ago so that means 74% of the population refuses the poison...that is actually great compared to western countries.

You are right, cult members took a vaccine a long time ago. All vax points that I saw were in crowded places but inside zero customers.
But I think the reason for the low rate is due to the fact, that a big part of the population is living in a rural area. I crossed many villages where were more horse-drawn vehicles than cars. A lot of very old people, sitting on the bench before the house. These people are growing their own food, and don't need too much of the global system.
They don't have the leverage to blackmail old grandma living in her land, eating her own food. Grandma doesn't need vax pass to enter a cinema, bar, office, travel because she doesn't give a s... about these things.

Hungary is 55% vaccinated so that is a dissapointment, i expected the Hungarians to have more common sense.

Hungary is more developed, civilized, regulated, with a strong state upper hand over infrastructure and functioning society as a whole. I like Hungary, but to my taste, the environment there is too much organized, with a lot of rules, public services, etc. (similar to overly perfect Switzerland, just in EE realities).
Now I prefer freedom above else, even when it's coming with stray dogs and trashed places.

 

[aynrus]

BTW i dont understand you americans wanting to flee to eastern europe. Seems risky and difficult to me. If i was an american and location independand, i would just move to rural texas or florida or some other middle of nowhere place that has internet connection. You really wanna go to a place where you dont know the language, culture, no friends/family, no permanent residency?

Maybe if you speak fluent spanish and have dark hair/eyes you might wanna look at rural colombia or argentina or some other Lat Am country where you can blend in and where it's easy to get a visa....but EE or Asia? No way.
Better to just stay in you homeland and find a good place there.

LOL, one got to be basically wealthy to move into "rural Florida" right now. Do you realize that average (average, means having basically no land for survival) American house costs 400K USD?
There's fierce competition for rural real estate everywhere right now and prices are insane. Property taxes are very high in the US too, especially in states like TX. Home insurance insanely high - especially in Florida and TX, subject to natural disasters (one must have home insurance here, since homes are so expensive...or buh-bye life savings). Water in rural Texas ?...often "good luck with that".
Expenses to live in the US are an order of magnitude higher than in EE and once work vaxx mandates come one will be robbed of their livelihood, property and destitute and homeless in this country.
In EE one can get by some freelancing online work.

 

[DanielH]

BTW i dont understand you americans wanting to flee to eastern europe. Seems risky and difficult to me. If i was an american and location independand, i would just move to rural texas or florida or some other middle of nowhere place that has internet connection. You really wanna go to a place where you dont know the language, culture, no friends/family, no permanent residency?

Red state in grow zone 5* or colder and you should be relatively safe from immigration and covid tyranny (aside from certain places like Minneapolis). I don't have a plan to do this but if you were single and wanted to start new somewhere, that's where I would recommend.

*For the non-Americans here that means the annual low temperature is between -10 and -20F, or -23 to -29C.

Edit: added bonus of being more affordable than the other states I see recommended like Florida.

 

[fortyfive]

The more civilized and advanced society is, the more controlled and maintained is by people in charge.
Less developed countries have more freedom in basic life (mostly), but they are also more prone to insane social experiments and building utopias with blood on their hands. (less societal resistance without a history of freedom).
It's a tough choice.

 

[EndlessGravity]

LOL, one got to be basically wealthy to move into "rural Florida" right now. Do you realize that average (average, means having basically no land for survival) American house costs 400K USD?
There's fierce competition for rural real estate everywhere right now and prices are insane. Property taxes are very high in the US too, especially in states like TX. Home insurance insanely high - especially in Florida and TX, subject to natural disasters (one must have home insurance here, since homes are so expensive...or buh-bye life savings). Water in rural Texas ?...often "good luck with that".
Expenses to live in the US are an order of magnitude higher than in EE and once work vaxx mandates come one will be robbed of their livelihood, property and destitute and homeless in this country.
In EE one can get by some freelancing online work.

You don't know what you're talking about and a few quick searches would dispel most of what you've said.

 

[aynrus]

You don't know what you're talking about and a few quick searches would dispel most of what you've said.

Oh I know very well what I'm talking about.
So, how many states have you been to lately, in how many of them you looked for real estate, homes and land?
How many insurance quotes have you gotten on homes in various states? How many county tax accessor departments have you spoken to lately? How many county home building inspectors have you talked to lately in various states?
I've been to many states and looked there.
It's you who don't know what you're talking about.
"quick searches" lol, I'm not talking about quick internet searches to you but years of consideration and research on states, travel all over, and looking at properties.
But you kept saying about deflation (prices collapse) for many months in the Money forum, that's it's happening now or about to happen, that there's no inflation - so I'm not surprised; inflation and prices are skyrocketing and the inflation had been the US reality for many years now.

 

[El Draque]

My feelings re USA is it's on borrowed time, before SHTF in a really big way.

It's for this reason i believe other Anglosphere countries figure higher in the Great Reset WEF agenda, USA will be too violent and unstable in the coming decades. So in one sense, i dont think the Elites are overly concerned with stuff in USA right now, they are more building environments to their liking in the following.

Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Ireland, most of Western Europe - borderline zero gun rights (of note). Very little in the way of pesky Constitutions.

So it's a tough one, were i American and had any kind of relative financial muscle, i would likely retreat to the rural hinterland.

But as i say, it's on borrowed time, the election was clearly stolen, I believe that the Elites have an absolute desire to humilate and crush the old WASP core of the country.

It's a bit like being attached to a rising balloon and when to drop off.

That said, if i were to leave, i would likely elect for South America, Uruquay, Argentina, Paraguay etc, rather than Eastern Europe.

 

[aynrus]

Bottom line...be somewhere where working vaxx passport can be bought and the authorities won't really go after you if they find out (may take a bribe if they try hassling). A very corrupt country. I'd never think I'd say or think this before, welcoming the worst corruption, something I had always hated. But it's that time.

 

[Easy_C]

I still can’t find much on UAE. It looks online (but internet searches aren’t great here) that the Dubai cops use mask rules as a way of generating fine revenue and require an entry test, but otherwise there’s basically nothing.

Why would they? The ruling Sheiks already have complete political control over the country. They don’t have any significant power to gain by going full COVID because they don’t have the same concerns with mass civil unrest and “populism” that Western Nations do.

 

[Tippy]

Albania 'considering' vaccines for kids:

Albania Is Considering Vaccination for Children Over 12 and Booster Shots - Exit - Explaining Albania

Deputy Minister of Health Mira Rakacolli confirmed on Monday that the Technical Committee of Experts is discussing the possibility of vaccinating children over 12, as well as administering booster shots for vulnerable groups. In an interview for news channel News24, Rakacolli also hinted that...

exit.al

I am seriously reconsidering this option now. Still will probably be good for a year, but this country is clearly getting whipped by the elites.

 

[aynrus]

My feelings re USA is it's on borrowed time

That said, if i were to leave, i would likely elect for South America, Uruquay, Argentina, Paraguay etc, rather than Eastern Europe.

At least until the scamdemic started, Paraguay was one of the few and rare remaining countries in the world that gave one long-term/permanent residency straight out, without requiring any big investment or expensive real estate purchase and without having to do 1-year permanent residency permits for a while (latter path to perm. residency can be interrupted by sudden vaxx requirement).
Paraguay was giving residency to anyone who wanted, basically, one just had to show they got pretty small sum of money in the lines of 5K USD for living expenses. (not sure if this had changed since 2019).
There was a medical exam, like pretty much with every country's permanent residency, hiv test required I think (pretty common), but nothing major. They might make hoax vaxx to be required for permanent residency any time though....so whoever didn't hop on that train earlier might be late.

 

[brotherjimbob]

Apocalypsis you described has negligeable probability. It's not about what might happen, it's about the probability of it happening.
There's higher probability I get killed driving on the mountain highway next week, yet I still drive.

 

[brotherjimbob]

Good attitude... but when you know how these.... *!?)))) communicate [predictive programming]...

There's 100% a consistent theme.

That's not negligible.

 

[aynrus]

Good attitude... but when you know how these.... *!?)))) communicate [predictive programming]...

There's 100% a consistent theme.

That's not negligible.

Man I lived through real starving (not just shortages), apocalypsis, tanks, snipers, full morgues stacked and even worse stuff happening and there're usually signs before this stuff is about to hit. There're no real signs in the Western countries. The only apocalypsis that is coming is increasing prices and obesity here.

 

[EndlessGravity]

It's you who don't know what you're talking about.

Property taxes in FL don't exceed 10% of assessed value (and are often a good deal lower), you can easily get a half-acre with a decent house for under $200k which there are plenty on Zillow, and you don't need home owners insurance if you own your property outright. Even so typical insurance is roughly $100 to $150 a month with hurricane protection (which in rural Florida you wouldn't need since it's not near the coast but you knew that, right?).

Now that we've shown you're just bloviating, show me the inflation, Mr. Money Expert. I'll wait for your comprehensive data report.

 

[WhiteWolf]

LOL, one got to be basically wealthy to move into "rural Florida" right now. Do you realize that average (average, means having basically no land for survival) American house costs 400K USD?
There's fierce competition for rural real estate everywhere right now and prices are insane. Property taxes are very high in the US too, especially in states like TX. Home insurance insanely high - especially in Florida and TX, subject to natural disasters (one must have home insurance here, since homes are so expensive...or buh-bye life savings). Water in rural Texas ?...often "good luck with that".
Expenses to live in the US are an order of magnitude higher than in EE and once work vaxx mandates come one will be robbed of their livelihood, property and destitute and homeless in this country.
In EE one can get by some freelancing online work.

Ok i didn't know rural America is so expensive nowadays, but i assume the same goes for cities. You can sell your appartment in the city or your suburban house and move to a rural place right?
Yesterday i was watching jewtube about an amish family who had a big beautifull house with a huge piece of land in the middle of nowhere and they said the place was worth $300,000.
They were basically self sufficient having a chicken farm and growing food. Sounds to me like a much better plan for an american than moving to a country where you have no roots, no permanent residency and dont know the language.