Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

[aynrus]

Property taxes in FL don't exceed 10% of assessed value (and are often a good deal lower), you can easily get a half-acre with a decent house for under $200k which there are plenty on Zillow, and you don't need home owners insurance if you own your property outright. Even so typical insurance is roughly $100 to $150 a month with hurricane protection (which in rural Florida you wouldn't need since it's not near the coast but you knew that, right?).

Now that we've shown you're just bloviating, show me the inflation, Mr. Money Expert. I'll wait for your comprehensive data report.

Half-acre?
And how are you going to be self-sufficient on half-acre in the US (after vaxx mandate hits), since there's no free pasture as in some EE countries? You can not keep any livestock on half-acre even from legal standpoint in most cases - in the US the standard throughout the country: minimum of 1 acre per head, that if CC&R allows it at all.
Most land for sale now is not only under heavy zoning but under heavy CC&R in the US. In FL especially.

Tax 10% of accessed value - LOL? You meant 1%?
Even 1% is crazy high and will bankrupt someone if they lose their ability to work due to vaxx requirement. There can't be self-sufficiency with that. You home will appraise 400K, if not today then tomorrow as this tax has no real stopper on it - 1% is 4K a year. Even if it's 2K a year it's way too much.
That's renting a home from the government. I do not call this home ownership. If you don't pay this, home can be sold via tax auction.
I watched a lot of tax histories on homes and seen real tax go up 3-5 times in 15 years for some, this is another inflation component that will affect one who lost income due to vaxx requirements.

$150 a month home insurance (first off, in Florida you will pay way more than that, even in TX you will pay more than that, also, FL got extra sinkholes insurance component as well ,as sinkholes are all over the state). One will shell out at least 4K a year for insurance on a modest small home likely. Insurance rates experience real inflation during last 10 years, also and will continue going up, making one bleed more money. If you carry cheaper policy - new policies are quoted a lot higher now, some companies give grace to continuing customers.
Lots of land got flood zone (good land is hard to buy in current land rush), FEMA flood insurance required for mortgage even if flood zone touches the corner of the property but not the house, that's very expensive stuff.
That's like renting a home, again.

Home maintenance/repair expenses and materials costs are insane in the US now, especially in expensive states like FL.

One can buy a home for several gran total or rent one for 100-200 bucks a month in EE and pay literally no tax to speak of, self-insure as simple older homes are cheap and few natural disasters (no insurance), construction is also infinitely cheaper and no hard building codes to put hurdles (no building codes where I'm going, none) - that's what I call independence from the goverrnment and food security.

Man, you're arguing there's no inflation again....I rest my case.

 

[WhiteWolf]

But I think the reason for the low rate is due to the fact, that a big part of the population is living in a rural area. I crossed many villages where were more horse-drawn vehicles than cars. A lot of very old people, sitting on the bench before the house. These people are growing their own food, and don't need too much of the global system.
They don't have the leverage to blackmail old grandma living in her land, eating her own food. Grandma doesn't need vax pass to enter a cinema, bar, office, travel because she doesn't give a s... about these things.

They have vaccine busses going into the villages to inject grandma. There is also a commercial that is shown 10 times a day on Romanian tv where a granny is so happy that the nice nurse comes to her house to inject her.
Most people that i speak to just dont trust the vaxx and refuse to take it. It has little to do with the rural areas, most rural people have moved to cities anyway.
I do think that once the tyranny starts to increase and people have a choice to either get vaxxed or lose their job, then maybe much more will get vaccinated out of fear for poverty/hunger. But out of free will, like the brainwashed normies in the west do? No way.

 

[EndlessGravity]

Half-acre?
And how are you going to be self-sufficient on half-acre in the US (after vaxx mandate hits), since there's no free pasture as in some EE countries? You can not keep any livestock on half-acre even from legal standpoint in most cases - in the US the standard throughout the country: minimum of 1 acre per head, that if CC&R allows it at all.
Most land for sale now is not only under heavy zoning but under heavy CC&R in the US. In FL especially.

Tax 10% of accessed value - LOL? You meant 1%?
Even 1% is crazy high and will bankrupt someone if they lose their ability to work due to vaxx requirement. There can't be self-sufficiency with that. You home will appraise 400K, if not today then tomorrow as this tax has no real stopper on it - 1% is 4K a year. Even if it's 2K a year it's way too much.
That's renting a home from the government. I do not call this home ownership. If you don't pay this, home can be sold via tax auction.
I watched a lot of tax histories on homes and seen real tax go up 3-5 times in 15 years for some, this is another inflation component that will affect one who lost income due to vaxx requirements.

$150 a month home insurance (first off, in Florida you will pay way more than that, even in TX you will pay more than that, also, FL got extra sinkholes insurance component as well ,as sinkholes are all over the state). One will shell out at least 4K a year for insurance on a modest small home likely. Insurance rates experience real inflation during last 10 years, also and will continue going up, making one bleed more money. If you carry cheaper policy - new policies are quoted a lot higher now, some companies give grace to continuing customers.
Lots of land got flood zone (good land is hard to buy in current land rush), FEMA flood insurance required for mortgage even if flood zone touches the corner of the property but not the house, that's very expensive stuff.
That's like renting a home, again.

Home maintenance/repair expenses and materials costs are insane in the US now, especially in expensive states like FL.

One can buy a home for several gran total or rent one for 100-200 bucks a month in EE and pay literally no tax to speak of, self-insure as simple older homes are cheap and few natural disasters (no insurance), construction is also infinitely cheaper and no hard building codes to put hurdles (no building codes where I'm going, none) - that's what I call independence from the goverrnment and food security.

Man, you're arguing there's no inflation again....I rest my case.

What is with these low-tier reddit posters who seem to be cropping up lately? Zero reasoning skills, all nit-picking (even about typos), and red-herrings.

Edit: and still no data report. No one should be listening to anything this guy says.

 

[aynrus]

What is with these low-tier reddit posters who seem to be cropping up lately? Zero reasoning skills, all nit-picking (even about typos), and red-herrings.

Edit: and still no data report. No one should be listening to anything this guy says.

Wow, you're completely clueless. You have zero idea about cost of living in America and Florida and I doubt you live in the States or been here. No facts from you, just petty little personal attacks, data report boy. You never been on the ground, never looked at rural properties and you don't know how much home ownership costs in the States and what competition is on real estate market right now.
Since you're an internet search type, just keep googling, I don't owe you any "data", it's available online for anyone with basic search skills.
Your baseless claim that there's no inflation in the US is ridiculous and prices had been rising on about everything and a lot.

 

[DanielH]

Half-acre?
And how are you going to be self-sufficient on half-acre in the US (after vaxx mandate hits), since there's no free pasture as in some EE countries? You can not keep any livestock on half-acre even from legal standpoint in most cases - in the US the standard throughout the country: minimum of 1 acre per head, that if CC&R allows it at all.
Most land for sale now is not only under heavy zoning but under heavy CC&R in the US. In FL especially.

Tax 10% of accessed value - LOL? You meant 1%?
Even 1% is crazy high and will bankrupt someone if they lose their ability to work due to vaxx requirement. There can't be self-sufficiency with that. You home will appraise 400K, if not today then tomorrow as this tax has no real stopper on it - 1% is 4K a year. Even if it's 2K a year it's way too much.
That's renting a home from the government. I do not call this home ownership. If you don't pay this, home can be sold via tax auction.
I watched a lot of tax histories on homes and seen real tax go up 3-5 times in 15 years for some, this is another inflation component that will affect one who lost income due to vaxx requirements.

$150 a month home insurance (first off, in Florida you will pay way more than that, even in TX you will pay more than that, also, FL got extra sinkholes insurance component as well ,as sinkholes are all over the state). One will shell out at least 4K a year for insurance on a modest small home likely. Insurance rates experience real inflation during last 10 years, also and will continue going up, making one bleed more money. If you carry cheaper policy - new policies are quoted a lot higher now, some companies give grace to continuing customers.
Lots of land got flood zone (good land is hard to buy in current land rush), FEMA flood insurance required for mortgage even if flood zone touches the corner of the property but not the house, that's very expensive stuff.
That's like renting a home, again.

Home maintenance/repair expenses and materials costs are insane in the US now, especially in expensive states like FL.

One can buy a home for several gran total or rent one for 100-200 bucks a month in EE and pay literally no tax to speak of, self-insure as simple older homes are cheap and few natural disasters (no insurance), construction is also infinitely cheaper and no hard building codes to put hurdles (no building codes where I'm going, none) - that's what I call independence from the goverrnment and food security.

Man, you're arguing there's no inflation again....I rest my case.

My two cents as a married man with a baby on the way and the sole income earner who was recently looking for a home in a rural area and was under contract but pulled out due to inspection contingencies (roof was worse than anticipated)... I don't know about Florida but in Appalachia you can certainly find a livable home with more than one bedroom on an acre or more for 200k.

200k is affordable on one income even without a full down payment. You might not be comfortable, you may have to compromise on the area, and you may have to work well over 40 hours a week at first, but it's doable.

Wow, you're completely clueless. You have zero idea about cost of living in America and Florida and I doubt you live in the States or been here. No facts from you, just petty little personal attacks

@EndlessGravity literally walked me through part of the home purchasing and inspection process via dm's and I can promise you is very knowledgeable on real estate.

 

[aynrus]

DanielH, you're the one who was complaining in real estate thread how you can't buy a rural home and live in parents? Haha

 

[aynrus]

My two cents as a married man with a baby on the way and the sole income earner who was recently looking for a home in a rural area and was under contract but pulled out due to inspection contingencies (roof was worse than anticipated)... I don't know about Florida but in Appalachia you can certainly find a livable home with more than one bedroom on an acre or more for 200k.

200k is affordable on one income even without a full down payment. You might not be comfortable, you may have to compromise on the area, and you may have to work well over 40 hours a week at first, but it's doable.


@EndlessGravity literally walked me through part of the home purchasing and inspection process via dm's and I can promise you is very knowledgeable on real estate.

Get some logic in here....a discussion you stepped in isn't about you being able to find a 200K home in the US (you havn't found one, you couldn't due to all the competition and you live with parents I think, as you said). The discussion was about EE, where one can buy a home for 20K that comes with free pasture as well, little to no taxes, no insurance expenses and real home ownership not your fake American home ownership aka renting form the government and banksters.

200K is affordable on one income? Haha, there won't be income once there's vaxx mandate, that's what's discussion is about to begin with. And freelancing online isn't going to net much income for most people.
You're telling me to keep compromising and work over 40 hours a week?
LOL, I don't want to slave for your beast society, do it yourself if you want to.
I'm sorry you're stuck, just not all of us are stuck here.

If you need to be walked through the process by some online guy you don't know much about RE. My family had been investors, FYI and I looked at many properties and paid for many inspections.

Americans still think they're superior to everyone and EE....get over it, won't be entitled to feel this way for much longer.
I don't need to slave to pay ridiculous expenses just to survive on basic level in your fake society.

DanielH, it's you who was trashing areas with people who moved there in real estate thread, saying how superior your little corner of cornbread Midwest is because there're no newcomers those filthy immigrants....so stay in your children of the corn Midwest America, the way you look at us - won't be welcome in EE.

 

[brotherjimbob]

Half-acre?
And how are you going to be self-sufficient on half-acre in the US (after vaxx mandate hits), since there's no free pasture as in some EE countries? You can not keep any livestock on half-acre even from legal standpoint in most cases - in the US the standard throughout the country: minimum of 1 acre per head, that if CC&R allows it at all.
Most land for sale now is not only under heavy zoning but under heavy CC&R in the US. In FL especially.

Tax 10% of accessed value - LOL? You meant 1%?
Even 1% is crazy high and will bankrupt someone if they lose their ability to work due to vaxx requirement. There can't be self-sufficiency with that. You home will appraise 400K, if not today then tomorrow as this tax has no real stopper on it - 1% is 4K a year. Even if it's 2K a year it's way too much.
That's renting a home from the government. I do not call this home ownership. If you don't pay this, home can be sold via tax auction.
I watched a lot of tax histories on homes and seen real tax go up 3-5 times in 15 years for some, this is another inflation component that will affect one who lost income due to vaxx requirements.

$150 a month home insurance (first off, in Florida you will pay way more than that, even in TX you will pay more than that, also, FL got extra sinkholes insurance component as well ,as sinkholes are all over the state). One will shell out at least 4K a year for insurance on a modest small home likely. Insurance rates experience real inflation during last 10 years, also and will continue going up, making one bleed more money. If you carry cheaper policy - new policies are quoted a lot higher now, some companies give grace to continuing customers.
Lots of land got flood zone (good land is hard to buy in current land rush), FEMA flood insurance required for mortgage even if flood zone touches the corner of the property but not the house, that's very expensive stuff.
That's like renting a home, again.

Home maintenance/repair expenses and materials costs are insane in the US now, especially in expensive states like FL.

One can buy a home for several gran total or rent one for 100-200 bucks a month in EE and pay literally no tax to speak of, self-insure as simple older homes are cheap and few natural disasters (no insurance), construction is also infinitely cheaper and no hard building codes to put hurdles (no building codes where I'm going, none) - that's what I call independence from the goverrnment and food security.

Man, you're arguing there's no inflation again....I rest my case.

... and hunting in Belarus...

I hadn't even thought about it, but now I'm looking at places in the woods, the agent told me if you pay the Ranger $30 you can slot a boar/deer and take it home))

The agent pops rabbits for nothing.

 

[DanielH]

Yes, @aynrus I'm a young man starting a family and saving money and doing it so that my wife doesn't have to slave for other men and instead work to raise our children properly. I got advice from @EndlessGravity and others in real life and have since realized I could make it work on my income alone. I do not live a static life, and I don't know why you would assume something I said months ago applies to my current situation now. Weird and sad that you're trying to shame me regarding this.

I would gladly work over 40 hours a week to provide for my family, no man should be shamed into not doing so if it means your wife can care for your children and give them a proper education and upbringing. I don't need that time for entertainment, nobody needs that.

 

[Grenadill]

Nationalization of arable land in the Netherlands.

Farmers face compulsory buyouts to cut nitrogen emissions: NRC​

The finance and agriculture ministries are planning to buy out hundreds of farmers at a costs of up to €17bn to cut nitrogen emissions. A report in NRC based on government environment agency documents it had access to, said the operation would be a ‘radical departure’ suggesting the cabinet would ‘not shy away from using force’. The government is looking at two scenarios, according to the documents. One, costing around €9m, would involve the government buying up livestock production rights. The second plan focuses on buying out farmers, some of whom may be forced to sell their land to the government.

As EE has recently lived through this nightmare, the memories are still pretty strong and so will be the resistance.

 

[Nordwand]

A friend at work has relatives in Pakistan. From what he says, we have it easy. Even something as simple as driving on the motorway requires proof of vaccination, and that was one of several examples that he gave.

 

[Easy_C]

What is with these low-tier reddit posters who seem to be cropping up lately? Zero reasoning skills, all nit-picking (even about typos), and red-herrings.

Edit: and still no data report. No one should be listening to anything this guy says.

You're mostly correct, BUT he made one valid point where a half acre is simply not sufficient. You need about four acres most of the time.

 

[EndlessGravity]

You're mostly correct, BUT he made one valid point where a half acre is simply not sufficient. You need about four acres most of the time.

I went back and forth about what I thought about this part but I'll concede with caveats.

• In FL you can own backyard goats, chickens, and rabbits even with in the major cities. I know lots of people who do this, including one with more than 20 chickens.
• While I would, if I had the choice, go with between 2 to 4 acres, I have experience raising meat animals for commercial sale on far, far less.
• My backyard garden produces an enormous amount more veggies than most people would guess. We keep track and aim for certain calorie levels.

You really can make almost anything work.

 

[Tippy]

I think he makes good points but I do not know the reality in US.

 

[Feyoder]

Half-acre?
And how are you going to be self-sufficient on half-acre in the US (after vaxx mandate hits), since there's no free pasture as in some EE countries? You can not keep any livestock on half-acre even from legal standpoint in most cases - in the US the standard throughout the country: minimum of 1 acre per head, that if CC&R allows it at all.
Most land for sale now is not only under heavy zoning but under heavy CC&R in the US. In FL especially.

Tax 10% of accessed value - LOL? You meant 1%?
Even 1% is crazy high and will bankrupt someone if they lose their ability to work due to vaxx requirement. There can't be self-sufficiency with that. You home will appraise 400K, if not today then tomorrow as this tax has no real stopper on it - 1% is 4K a year. Even if it's 2K a year it's way too much.
That's renting a home from the government. I do not call this home ownership. If you don't pay this, home can be sold via tax auction.
I watched a lot of tax histories on homes and seen real tax go up 3-5 times in 15 years for some, this is another inflation component that will affect one who lost income due to vaxx requirements.

$150 a month home insurance (first off, in Florida you will pay way more than that, even in TX you will pay more than that, also, FL got extra sinkholes insurance component as well ,as sinkholes are all over the state). One will shell out at least 4K a year for insurance on a modest small home likely. Insurance rates experience real inflation during last 10 years, also and will continue going up, making one bleed more money. If you carry cheaper policy - new policies are quoted a lot higher now, some companies give grace to continuing customers.
Lots of land got flood zone (good land is hard to buy in current land rush), FEMA flood insurance required for mortgage even if flood zone touches the corner of the property but not the house, that's very expensive stuff.
That's like renting a home, again.

Home maintenance/repair expenses and materials costs are insane in the US now, especially in expensive states like FL.

One can buy a home for several gran total or rent one for 100-200 bucks a month in EE and pay literally no tax to speak of, self-insure as simple older homes are cheap and few natural disasters (no insurance), construction is also infinitely cheaper and no hard building codes to put hurdles (no building codes where I'm going, none) - that's what I call independence from the goverrnment and food security.

Man, you're arguing there's no inflation again....I rest my case.

Not sure about the points you make but happy to see a dissenting opinion on the forum bias of ownership.

On EE property being a couple of grand and rent a couple of hundred, even if that’s possible (2000 is not), you’re talking about the most backwater, most run down, most isolated (and isolated like you only can be in EE). Completely off grid likely and if there is grid it’s not reliable. And bare land. No structures.

So it’s a little different.

On escaping the west though due to corona you’re right in that your money can go further there for sure but not to that degree.

 

[Tippy]

I am currently living with a Romanian bird who said I could stay at her place rent free...

Is Romania a good option and any intel on longer term visas?

 

[Papaya]

Nationalization of arable land in the Netherlands.

Farmers face compulsory buyouts to cut nitrogen emissions: NRC​

As EE has recently lived through this nightmare, the memories are still pretty strong and so will be the resistance.

Cut nitrogen emissions you say?

They do know that air is comprised of more nitrogen (about 80%) than any other element? Like 4 times as much oxygen...right?

 

[Jaeric]

You can get land cheap in a lot of areas but in order to be self

I am currently living with a Romanian bird who said I could stay at her place rent free...

Is Romania a good option and any intel on longer term visas?

Sounds like it is a lot easier if you are an EU resident. You just have to prove self-sufficiency.

How to Get a Residence Permit in Romania (and Renew It) | Romania Experience

No matter if you are an EU or non-EU citizen, you are legally allowed to stay in Romania no more than 90 days. If you want to spend more time in Romania, you will need to get a residence permit - today, we'll learn everything about that. NOTE: This is a lengthy article with many

www.romaniaexperience.com

 

[Tippy]

Interesting vid on escape...

Suggests instead forming alternative societies/networks.

 

[Feyoder]

Nationalization of arable land in the Netherlands.

Farmers face compulsory buyouts to cut nitrogen emissions: NRC​

As EE has recently lived through this nightmare, the memories are still pretty strong and so will be the resistance.

They’re already priming the NPC software!! Patch update soon I’m sure. Crazy to see it in real time:

20 meat and dairy firms emit more greenhouse gas than Germany, Britain or France

Livestock companies with large emissions receive billions of dollars in funding, campaigners say

www.theguardian.com