Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

El Draque

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Can anyone give any from the ground reports of El Salvador?

Sick of the cold.

Not being funny mate, but if you cant handle September in a Northern European city, how are you going to be prepared to live in the woods, become self sufficient etc, as you've talked about previously. Dont want to sound harsh, but i just think unless you've got a solid plan, then best to sit tight.

People talk about SHTF outcomes. I'd sure as hell not want to be in El Salvador for that.

TBH you'd probably be better off back in UK, the way things are going. If you can get a legal footing to live in a good country abroad then its better doing that, but this solo drifting lifestyle seems very unstable.

I did it for years pre covid, it became malign then. To do so now, seems exhausting.
 

fortyfive

Woodpecker
I couldn't see anything about that on the links. It just says "crossing the border". Could you screenshot the info? Or is that what you've heard on the ground?
This is EE. One thing is rules on the paper, and a whole different thing is a reality. Govt rules are for blindly obedient citizens, the reality for others.
During summer, from my experience, and what I heard last week from others, still only very random control. You can use another crossing point (if needed), you can use the words "only transit", and you can use some nice printed paper as proof about something you supposedly took...
Don't be afraid, be creative, and pray. (praying is first)
 

Don Quixote

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
They’re starting to push aggressively in the (((media))) for proof of vax for flying so it’s time to make the move now or you’re likely gonna be trapped in the States indefinitely.
Yep. Better to get out to anywhere now even if not first choice, then reorient plans from secondary location pending new info.
 
They’re starting to push aggressively in the (((media))) for proof of vax for flying so it’s time to make the move now or you’re likely gonna be trapped in the States indefinitely.

If I made a move it wouldn't be soon, would take a year or two. In that case, is driving through the Mexican border and flying from there a possibility? I'm in the Texas area so it wouldn't be far.

Also it seems like there is atleast a little bit of common sense in White House, that Vivek surgeon general said he would support allowing non vaccinated people to fly in the case of emergencies..
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Not sure if this it the best thread to post in, but I can’t find any other that fits better.
I see a lot of desperation in these posts, and read many heartbreaking stories. It is not my intention to trivialize anyone’s hardship, just to share a strategy that works for me.
I have started to list the effect this madness has in my life. The real effects right now. It is so easy to drown in the media hypnosis and all the fear monger. The real dangers to me I have listed and taken action on while I disregard other aspects that is not concerning me at the moment. Stay strong all of you. These are dark times indeed, so focus on whatever small light you can find in your lives.
I've listed 3 rules/principles for myself to keep myself sane:

1. keep your head cool
2. resist the devil (pornography, bad food which are two vices I fell for regularly, hate and fear, as I see these as the 2 core aspects of the devil)
3. live God (take good care of yourself, love and peace, as opposites to what the devil pushes on us daily)

Not easy but it gives me an anchor to fall back to if I'm overwhelmed. Also I want to live a more Hesychastic lifestyle, turn everything off regularly, silence and deep contemplation.
 

rainy

Kingfisher
I'm hearing in Bulgaria mass protests are building against any COVID restrictions and many have stopped with the masks altogether.

In my eyes Bulgaria might be the toughest European country to attempt to enforce strict mandates on. And there aren't strict mandates, the people are just tired of the crap. There's only 6M of them in BG, they can band together pretty quickly against the government and you still have the mafia element. Not so much in the open but the mafia controls much of the government, which combats whatever the emperors in the EU HQ want.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
So…India is hard to get into and requires a job Visa..

BUT…

They also have a student Visa and some highly ranked schools with English language classes available. I searched for Vax mandates at those schools and found no mention or indication of any COVID Vaccine Mandate.

If you’re a university aged guy it’s something to consider. You’ll get a solid technical education, away from American leftists, and (as of now) with no COVID vaccine mandate for a much lower price.

It also has a lot of street level corruption. Bribing a friendly white coat wearer should be easy.
 

Don Quixote

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
If I made a move it wouldn't be soon, would take a year or two. In that case, is driving through the Mexican border and flying from there a possibility? I'm in the Texas area so it wouldn't be far.

Also it seems like there is atleast a little bit of common sense in White House, that Vivek surgeon general said he would support allowing non vaccinated people to fly in the case of emergencies..
Realistically that emergency exemption is not something to hang your hat on. Literally your only option will be to drive/walk across the Mexican border and then fly from there, but that assumes Mexico does not have similar rules in place. If you have a boat you could escape to Cuba or the Caribbean. And if things are really dire, I'm sure people on this forum will try to pitch in for chartering the boat/plane. In the initial stages, they will allow exemptions for certain reasons and most likely will allow for some form of PCR testing, but that will soon be phased out.

Would be a crazy journey but you could probably go via land to to one of the decent countries South of us (at this point Brazil and Nicaragua look ok, as does Mexico, but I have doubts about Mexico).

We could always pitch in to do a massive road trip to Brazil as a group and hire mercenaries or bodyguards to help us along the way. I don't know how dangerous it is to drive through these places. We should ride in a bus decorated as tractor meme, as a funny gesture for Roosh.
 
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So…India is hard to get into and requires a job Visa..

BUT…

They also have a student Visa and some highly ranked schools with English language classes available. I searched for Vax mandates at those schools and found no mention or indication of any COVID Vaccine Mandate.

If you’re a university aged guy it’s something to consider. You’ll get a solid technical education, away from American leftists, and (as of now) with no COVID vaccine mandate for a much lower price.

It also has a lot of street level corruption. Bribing a friendly white coat wearer should be easy.

India isn't ideal IMO because of the black fungus issue that covid patients are getting, and also because there's nothing you can do if someone close to you dies of medical malpractice in their hospitals. They have no liability. A family friend of mine's brother died recently due to malpractice (covid related), and they couldn't do anything. Someone in their family also got black fungus (50% mortality) and survived, at the cost of losing half their jaw.
 

Don Quixote

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
I'm hearing in Bulgaria mass protests are building against any COVID restrictions and many have stopped with the masks altogether.

In my eyes Bulgaria might be the toughest European country to attempt to enforce strict mandates on. And there aren't strict mandates, the people are just tired of the crap. There's only 6M of them in BG, they can band together pretty quickly against the government and you still have the mafia element. Not so much in the open but the mafia controls much of the government, which combats whatever the emperors in the EU HQ want.
Realistically the only places I have hopes for are either places that are so off-grid that nobody cares about them (some Central American and African countries), or places where the people have some spark in them to fight back. And where is that? Balkans and Eastern Europe probably are the best candidates for this.
 

El Draque

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Realistically the only places I have hopes for are either places that are so off-grid that nobody cares about them (some Central American and African countries), or places where the people have some spark in them to fight back. And where is that? Balkans and Eastern Europe probably are the best candidates for this.

Said it before, but i don't understand why people are sleeping on Ukraine. If you're serious about living off-grid, semi self sufficient, then for a relatively minimal outlay you can buy a decent rural propety where no one will bother you. Go through the place in a train you'll see how undeveloped it is. It's Orthodox Christian, people are based as standard, its not a jobsworth culture and the state is tiny and has very little control over its people.

Man alive, i'd rather take my chances doing that than go to India.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
1: The right solution is going to be different for everybody. That's why it's important to identify as many options as possible.

2: I think the main concern people have isn't Ukraine now. It's that we all think a war is coming at some point and two areas we expect to be the most intense battlegrounds are Taiwan and the Ukraine. If it wasn't for that the Ukraine would be very good.
 
So…India is hard to get into and requires a job Visa..

BUT…

They also have a student Visa and some highly ranked schools with English language classes available. I searched for Vax mandates at those schools and found no mention or indication of any COVID Vaccine Mandate.

If you’re a university aged guy it’s something to consider. You’ll get a solid technical education, away from American leftists, and (as of now) with no COVID vaccine mandate for a much lower price.

It also has a lot of street level corruption. Bribing a friendly white coat wearer should be easy.
Life would have to get a whole lot worse in the states before I would remotely consider living in India. I think it may be one of the worst places on the planet. Hot, crowded, stinky, corrupt, unsanitary, obnoxious attitudes etc.
 

El Draque

Woodpecker
Orthodox
1: The right solution is going to be different for everybody. That's why it's important to identify as many options as possible.

2: I think the main concern people have isn't Ukraine now. It's that we all think a war is coming at some point and two areas we expect to be the most intense battlegrounds are Taiwan and the Ukraine. If it wasn't for that the Ukraine would be very good.

There's not going to be all out war in Ukraine in foreseeable. There's been fighting in the East for years, but the only possiblity of that becoming some sort of all out, multi national event, would be if Russia invades Ukraine fully - EG to the Dniper and to Kiev. That's not going to happen, as it would be suicide by Putin and he knows it. He doesn't have the military to do so, and would just bleed himself politically, financially, and militarily in trying.

Even if there were an increase in the conflict zone, that's still a very small part of the country, go and live in the Carpathians (far West mountain range), no one will be invading there anytime soon, trust me.

I very much share @Jive Turkey sentiments re India. Honestly, id rather take my chances in Donetsk.
 

Jaeric

Pigeon
How do you get a permit in Ukraine? As far as I can tell it effectively requires having 100k spare to buy real estate with.
Someone suggested there was a way that was cheaper.
I wouldnt calamitise it all tbh. Who knows where we'll be in 3 years time with it all. Impossible to say really, but i doubt it will get totally desperate like that. If it does, then well, it does. I'd say this would be one of the last places in the white world where that would happen though.

Re Visas, the standard way is to set up a company for you - well, hire a lawyer to do that for you. The whole process in total (with visa fees at embassy which are 2000usd) will prob cost something like 4-5000USD.

There's a lawyer here who does this day in day out for the expats. I went to speak to him last year, he pretty much takes care of it all, but you have to provide paperwork and then leaeve the country and re-enter to get the D14 (the preliminary visa that you can then apply for a residency one).

Thankfully i never needed all that, but it's certainly available if you pay the money.
 

4600_fan

Pigeon
Orthodox
Question for you guys who talk about moving to Ukraine/Eastern Europe. What will you do for a living? Let's say you take your American savings and buy a place cash, no mortgage etc and even get permission to live there. Then what?
 
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