Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
Posted this in the vaxx thread, its so good will do so here too.

Im hesitant with so many of these links, but this guy is a unique, boots on the ground account of it all, from start to where we are now.

 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
Question for you guys who talk about moving to Ukraine/Eastern Europe. What will you do for a living? Let's say you take your American savings and buy a place cash, no mortgage etc and even get permission to live there. Then what?

I work online, get the impression a lot of people here do likewise. I mean, if you're talking of moving anywhere round the earth, you have to have some sort of transferable hustle really.

Plus if you outright own a house somewhere like rural EE, and keep chickens, grow food, etc, then you will not have much outlay beyond basic supplies, gas, household bills etc. You could probably limit extraneous spending to a couple of hundred USD pcm if need be.

Ultimately its a frugal life. But each person has their own situation.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
One option I'm looking at with the other venture is that as we spin up, We'll need a good analytical team. I may very well be able to sell the idea of offshoring part of our ops team because it would save significantly on salaries (including my own to a degree, scaled down for living costs).
 

Beyond Borders

Crow
Gold Member
Because I'm 14 years into a 20 year pension scheme with no skills that translate into online work
Online skills you can get paid for aren't that hard to learn.

Tough starting something on the side if you're already full-time employed, but with everything going on, and given that you're already concerned about getting fired, maybe not bad to have a backup plan, eh?
 

4600_fan

 
Banned
Orthodox
Online skills you can get paid for aren't that hard to learn.

Tough starting something on the side if you're already full-time employed, but with everything going on, and given that you're already concerned about getting fired, maybe not bad to have a backup plan, eh?
That is a good point, I actually started getting into programming (again) after having dropped it. I am traveling now for work but I'm gonna get back into it once I get back in a couple of weeks.
 

Dilated

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Question for you guys who talk about moving to Ukraine/Eastern Europe. What will you do for a living? Let's say you take your American savings and buy a place cash, no mortgage etc and even get permission to live there. Then what?

Live on investment income. That’s why income investments have much more utility in these times than growth investments.
 

4600_fan

 
Banned
Orthodox
Live on investment income. That’s why income investments have much more utility in these times than growth investments.
Glad you can do it, but not a solution for the 99%. That's actually what I'd be doing once retired... if I make make it that far... seriously today got another email from the big boss on "diversity and equity" and how it's "all our jobs" blah blah blah. This is from a person I'd otherwise respect. God, the grossness of it just makes me sick. Every day I just get closer to walking into the Russian embassy. In minecraft.
 

JohnKreese

Pelican
Catholic
Because I'm 14 years into a 20 year pension scheme with no skills that translate into online work
How much do you trust that whatever organization, government entity, etc. you work for isn't going to exhaust the pension fund to the extent that payouts are either seriously depleted or that the fund is completely insolvent at some point well before you die?

This has happened and is happening throughout the US as we speak (just look at Social Security; what do you think the earliest retirement age is going to be in 30 years? 90?)

You're taking a chance relying on retirement funds that you have little control over in a country where the bill became due a LONG time ago.
 

4600_fan

 
Banned
Orthodox
How much do you trust that whatever organization, government entity, etc. you work for isn't going to exhaust the pension fund to the extent that payouts are either seriously depleted or that the fund is completely insolvent at some point well before you die?

This has happened and is happening throughout the US as we speak (just look at Social Security; what do you think the earliest retirement age is going to be in 30 years? 90?)

You're taking a chance relying on retirement funds that you have little control over in a country where the bill became due a LONG time ago.
So Russian Embassy it is then lol
 

Dilated

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Glad you can do it, but not a solution for the 99%. That's actually what I'd be doing once retired... if I make make it that far... seriously today got another email from the big boss on "diversity and equity" and how it's "all our jobs" blah blah blah. This is from a person I'd otherwise respect. God, the grossness of it just makes me sick. Every day I just get closer to walking into the Russian embassy. In minecraft.

I was rather lucky to be honest. Late 2000’s my grandfather asked me if I wanted to be an income investor or a growth investor. He said if growth he couldn’t help me. If income he could. I didn’t know the difference so I said income. So, he taught me everything he knew about income investing, in this case dividends.

Could never have predicted the COVID crisis but the strategy is great for these times- I could live in Ukraine, for example, and make many times over the average income without having to work. (I day trade now to juice my income a bit).

A cousin of mine was also offered the same opportunity by my grandfather. He declined. Sometimes accepting help really can change the course of your life. For this I am eternally grateful.
 

SeaEagle

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Alberta is one step behind BC it seems. Scared Vancouver/Victoria urbanites will dictate the terms for the rest of the province as always. Calgary and especially Edmonton are really no better, but hold less sway.

We just had Kenney apologizing for trying to give some semblance of normalcy to the summer. Vaccine passports were just announced yesterday. Still, I feel better off. Its here or Poland/Hungary but I don't have the heart to leave my family here.
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Alberta is one step behind BC it seems. Scared Vancouver/Victoria urbanites will dictate the terms for the rest of the province as always. Calgary and especially Edmonton are really no better, but hold less sway.

We just had Kenney apologizing for trying to give some semblance of normalcy to the summer. Vaccine passports were just announced yesterday. Still, I feel better off. Its here or Poland/Hungary but I don't have the heart to leave my family here.
When this stuff gets instituted will you really not be able to board a plane, even with a negative test? I'm guessing you can't drive to USA either.
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
I was rather lucky to be honest. Late 2000’s my grandfather asked me if I wanted to be an income investor or a growth investor. He said if growth he couldn’t help me. If income he could. I didn’t know the difference so I said income. So, he taught me everything he knew about income investing, in this case dividends.

Could never have predicted the COVID crisis but the strategy is great for these times- I could live in Ukraine, for example, and make many times over the average income without having to work. (I day trade now to juice my income a bit).

A cousin of mine was also offered the same opportunity by my grandfather. He declined. Sometimes accepting help really can change the course of your life. For this I am eternally grateful.
Interesting you mentioned day trading as IMO that and swing trading are one of the best side hustles to learn and can be done from anywhere with a WIFI connection.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Alberta is one step behind BC it seems. Scared Vancouver/Victoria urbanites will dictate the terms for the rest of the province as always. Calgary and especially Edmonton are really no better, but hold less sway.

We just had Kenney apologizing for trying to give some semblance of normalcy to the summer. Vaccine passports were just announced yesterday. Still, I feel better off. Its here or Poland/Hungary but I don't have the heart to leave my family here.

You can help them better by having a safe haven set up elsewhere.
 

Dilated

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Interesting you mentioned day trading as IMO that and swing trading are one of the best side hustles to learn and can be done from anywhere with a WIFI connection.

It’s a pretty sweet gig. Goal is to be able to cover monthly expenses from day trading alone. Worst case I’m stuck holding a position but I still earn dividends. Been doing this from S. America for the last year.
 

donovan

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
I forgot about working online, I wish I could do that!
You can start a YouTube channel and teach your skills. I have friends making 5 figures per month in ad revenue on there. I put a simple channel together myself a while back with about 20 videos, and it still generates me about $100 a month in passive earnings. If I made more videos, it'd be enough to survive on.
Sure, it's not a long term, reliable source of income, but it's one of the easiest ways to make money today IMO (provided you don't get political on there or YouTube/Google will ban you). It takes minutes to set up, costs nothing (you only need a phone camera), and YouTube does the promotion/advertising for you.
 
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