Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
So you do believe that the jab is a near to mid term threat on people's lives? Are we talking 2 years, 5-10 years or 15-20? Just curious.

I understand your reasoning, I just question the presumption. The odds are that if anything regarding the jab is fatal, it'll be longer term and mixed in with multiple comorbidities to hide its true deleterious effects. But the effects that I believe will be clear to those who are open to considering everything, are the side effects that are really annoying (peripheral neuropathy, other sensory loss, and possibly the bleeding/vascular disorders).

I guess we shall see.

2-5 years, but this is a gut feeling and not something based on anything concrete. I really want this to not be true, but I think the world will be in for reckoning.

Isnt some variation of "Order From Chaos" supposedly the Illumaniti's code?

I dont think we can underestimate what the next 7-8 years will bring.

Maybe with the financial system looking untenable as it was standing pre covid, they've just thought to end the whole model, as things stand. So in which case, what's the need for all these Useless Eaters, if market based consumerism as we've known it is being 'revamped'.

TBH If there was this sort of dastardly scheme to literally kill billions, i think more world leaders would've gone rogue, and ultimately fallen on their sword by publically stating things. They're narccissists anyway, some of their careers are falling apart, some are aged and being fazed out, why not be a hero and call it out?

I realise all govt's are mid management, and full of degenerates with files on them larger than the Yellow Pages, to be used as leverage, but still, i'd imagine they'd at very least be some outliers who would do the decent thing.

Likelihood is we just limp on to this Godless dsytopian future, further and further engineered, further manipulated and warped. Give how psychopathic and Satanic Elites are, i suspect they would get more pleasure from that than just wiping us out, but who knows.
There have been world leaders who said, "no" and were immediately hushed for it. You just never heard about it. Search for Haiti, Tanzania, and Madagascar leaders. The Haitian president that was murdered recently sent PCR swabs from silly things like fruit and vegetables which then came back as testing positive for covid.

There were, "fact checkers" all over the story running cover. Both Bolsanaro and the Hungarian guy (Orban?) refused and are still alive. To me, that is a testament to how loyal their inner circles are.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Orban's been pro-vaxx as anyone since day one, unless i'm very much mistaken. They were talking about vaxx-pass for hotels, abnbs and campsites well into last spring.

On another score updates on the hooky passes. 150usd for papers, 250 for papers and database entry apparently. This sounds great, my reservation with it is if you get one, then the company running the scam get busted, the police will have everyone's name and details (inc passport etc) on the company's records.

Leaving yourself open to prosecution.

It's all a bit sketchy, and frankly just underlines my desire to GTFO to the countryside ASAP. Saying to wife, why continue to jump through these hoops to live in the city, when ultimately its going to become untenable sooner rather than later anyway.

Get a pass you may be fine for 3 months, maybe 6, maybe even a year, but sooner or later you'll get a pull from the law, and/or have to do it all again cos muh variants or boosters.

At a certain point, what is the point playing in a bent casino, just leave the table.
 
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Going strong

Crow
Gold Member
everyone's name and details (inc passport etc) on the company's records.

Leaving yourself open to prosecution.

Prosecution for what? For having one's name/passport number in some unvetted database of some random private company, that might very well have obtained your data by happenstance or some easy hacking?
 

STG

Woodpecker
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El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Prosecution for what? For having one's name/passport number in some unvetted database of some random private company, that might very well have obtained your data by happenstance or some easy hacking?


Well maybe i dont know. If you got a knock on the door and they demanded to see your papers, they might be able to trace it to them.

Point being is why live like a criminal, being forced to habitually commit fraud - when potentially draconian punishments fines etc may result - when you can just depart the cities and make the requisite lifestyle changes, that you avoid this stuff in your daily life.

Its a bit like being attached to a rising balloon. At a certain point you've just got to let go of the rope.

The system will get more and more sophisticated, the control tighter and tighter, in a very short space of time. Govts are pouring millions upon millions into IT infrastucture contracts of companies that are setting this stuff up.

All fake papers will do is buy you a bit of time, while forcing you to break the law. If i were at home i wouldnt really give a toss about the latter, but here it could affect my residency status.
 

Geo Martin

Sparrow
So you do believe that the jab is a near to mid term threat on people's lives? Are we talking 2 years, 5-10 years or 15-20? Just curious.

I understand your reasoning, I just question the presumption. The odds are that if anything regarding the jab is fatal, it'll be longer term and mixed in with multiple comorbidities to hide its true deleterious effects. But the effects that I believe will be clear to those who are open to considering everything, are the side effects that are really annoying (peripheral neuropathy, other sensory loss, and possibly the bleeding/vascular disorders).

I guess we shall see.
I'm convinced the jabbing is a wide spectrum medical, behavioural, social and economics experiment.
It's primarily data gathering. Then I'm pretty sure there are different types of injections, some will be placebos, probably the majority; others a mild flu type vaccine and finally some with active experimental contents that could vary between nano particles that are supposed to alter how cells behave internatlly and metallic elements that could serve as receptors and transmiters to communicate with external devices, in the way RFID chips work.
Taking the jab is a lottery for the common people, but I'm also quite certain that some demographics might be targeted differently like the elderly, infirm and disabled in some countries more than in others I presume.
These are the beginnings of tracking and tracing for everything and everyone, what we consume and what we produce. I've known this for a long time from my days a decade or so ago of listening for hours to the podcasts of the late Alan Watt a Scottish researcher living in Canada, not to beconfused with the creep new ager Alan Watts.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I'm convinced the jabbing is a wide spectrum medical, behavioural, social and economics experiment.

I veer towards it not being a one-and-done cull, and more as you decribe it here too.

It's primarily data gathering. Then I'm pretty sure there are different types of injections, some will be placebos, probably the majority; others a mild flu type vaccine and finally some with active experimental contents that could vary between nano particles that are supposed to alter how cells behave internatlly and metallic elements that could serve as receptors and transmiters to communicate with external devices, in the way RFID chips work.

Taking the jab is a lottery for the common people, but I'm also quite certain that some demographics might be targeted differently like the elderly, infirm and disabled in some countries more than in others I presume.

I'm a little unconvinced they have the boots on the ground control structure to pull this off though.

Different brews for different demographics etc, i dont know, that would require overseeing all the way down to the clinics and jab centres, i'm just not sure that kind of operation, globally, or even country wide, would be likely.

That said i could see that the elderly and the first 3 months or so of jabs were low rate / saline, as to not scare the horses before the rest of the pop had been trained.

Maybe its a case of get everyone behaviourably locked in, then hit them with the Next Big Virus (cue Gates family grinning), and dose them up good.


These are the beginnings of tracking and tracing for everything and everyone, what we consume and what we produce. I've known this for a long time from my days a decade or so ago of listening for hours to the podcasts of the late Alan Watt a Scottish researcher living in Canada, not to beconfused with the creep new ager Alan Watts.
 

Geo Martin

Sparrow
I'm a little unconvinced they have the boots on the ground control structure to pull this off though.

Different brews for different demographics etc, i dont know, that would require overseeing all the way down to the clinics and jab centres, i'm just not sure that kind of operation, globally, or even country wide, would be likely.
It's difficult to get our heads around a potential soft genocide/ slow mass culling, we have been used to the overt methods of the past like wars, terrorism, pillaging and ransacking. I don't believe there will ever be an open war between standing armies again as that was the old technique for pop control.
As for the capabilities of all nations to implement this, well I don't think that all nations will need to, but mostly the developed ones. Like communism everyone is brought down the the lowest common denominator. The poorer nations are already there, at least for now.
So, it's a trade off; safety with no freedom, or freedom with no safety. But when that 'safety' is handed down by the state it's a very feeble safety, always due to change. All govts are of this world hence they are secular and materialistic, so there is nothing objecively truthful in them.
 

EvanWilson

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Well maybe i dont know. If you got a knock on the door and they demanded to see your papers, they might be able to trace it to them.

Point being is why live like a criminal, being forced to habitually commit fraud - when potentially draconian punishments fines etc may result - when you can just depart the cities and make the requisite lifestyle changes, that you avoid this stuff in your daily life.

Its a bit like being attached to a rising balloon. At a certain point you've just got to let go of the rope.

The system will get more and more sophisticated, the control tighter and tighter, in a very short space of time. Govts are pouring millions upon millions into IT infrastucture contracts of companies that are setting this stuff up.

All fake papers will do is buy you a bit of time, while forcing you to break the law. If i were at home i wouldnt really give a toss about the latter, but here it could affect my residency status.
I would not be so sure any government has the time or money or resources to totally enforce such things; and when making policy a lot of times they just seem to 'make stuff up' as they go along.

As an example, the recent announced covid shot mandates for companies over 100 employees where people have to get a shot or tested every week. There are 80 million people, at the time, without shots, but we can only make 50 million test kits per month; so, at best, only about 12 million people can be tested every week.

Even if this fantasy database is setup, it will have millions if not billions of entries in it. The thing will probably be a total mess with most of the data unreliable or out of date. I expect after a while it will simply be 'forgotten about' as no one wants to spend the cost to keep it running, or it is kept running in some state of limping along, but no one talks about it anymore.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
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Is this you @Grow Bag ?
 
I would not be so sure any government has the time or money or resources to totally enforce such things; and when making policy a lot of times they just seem to 'make stuff up' as they go along.

As an example, the recent announced covid shot mandates for companies over 100 employees where people have to get a shot or tested every week. There are 80 million people, at the time, without shots, but we can only make 50 million test kits per month; so, at best, only about 12 million people can be tested every week.

Even if this fantasy database is setup, it will have millions if not billions of entries in it. The thing will probably be a total mess with most of the data unreliable or out of date. I expect after a while it will simply be 'forgotten about' as no one wants to spend the cost to keep it running, or it is kept running in some state of limping along, but no one talks about it anymore.
The more systems grow, the more static and harder to maintain they become and are easier to outcompete. So, I would not worry too much.
 

Grow Bag

Kingfisher
I imagine if neurological side effects like these show up for the kids it will be a game changer. It will be difficult to hide like they have been doing for adults, as they are usually, but now always, buried in with other medical problems as you stated.

People talk about them blaming the unvaccinated for things that may go wrong with the kids. But you can’t usually blame neurological problems on Covid transmission. I’m betting they will try.
I think the crowd formation percentages will come into play. The true believers will rationalise any adverse events on their children, with all the usual virtue signalling. It's the 40% of followers who're more likely to get angry and start challenging. Problem is it's the true believers who make the most noise. But a good many of the followers will come over to our side and when that happens, if it happens, that's when we might have a window of opportunity to push back hard.
 

Edek

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
Anyone looking to start a garden, look into "no dig" agriculture. I am going to be allocating a batch this autumn in my garden to experiment with the concept. It should save a lot of unnecessary work and benefit the soil.
Experimentation is key, everyone has different soil conditions & a system that works well on one site may fail miserably on another. Have you seen broadforks? They give a "best of both worlds" effect where you can easily aerate / decompact the soil without tilling. I have seen reports from people who say that after broadforking their beds two years in a row, they saw little to no benefit in continuing, their soil had improved so much (along with mulching etc).

I don't see many threads dedicated to homesteading / farming / permaculture. Maybe it's time?
 
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Grow Bag

Kingfisher
Wished it was. What I'd give for a plot like that. Bill Mollison is the permaculture guy. I did a course in permaculture back in 2005. It's a very interesting system, especially if you've got a big plot of land. That said, we've made a lot advances that give even those with a small plot the ability to grow and rear quite a lot of food. I don't know why some of you younger chaps don't figure something out and pool your resources for a small community. Lots of rural land available in Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria (the 3 countries I earmarked). Out of those I'd chose Bulgaria. Last time I looked there were lots of dirt cheap properties with a good slice of land. Some villages have many properties, enough to form an expat community at least.
 

Grow Bag

Kingfisher
Anyone looking to start a garden, look into "no dig" agriculture. I am going to be allocating a batch this autumn in my garden to experiment with the concept. It should save a lot of unnecessary work and benefit the soil.
I set aside a couple of semi-hugelkultur raised beds for 'no dig' this year, worked pretty well too. In fact I'm going 'no dig' with the whole plot next year. Gotta say this year I did really well. It was a lovely long summer and everything bloomed and busted out with produce.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
The true believers will rationalise any adverse events on their children, with all the usual virtue signalling.

Population are already being psychologically groomed into accepting their child's potential death as being a "undiagnosed heart condition".

Expect to hear this term dropped in more and more in the coming months.

This will provide a psychological get-out-of-jail card for parents that have their child injected. "It wasnt our fault, she'd always had this problem, we weren't to know."

Hard to imagine much more dark than this sort of stuff being green lit and tasked by the Deep State / top BBC.

 

Grow Bag

Kingfisher
Population are already being psychologically groomed into accepting their child's potential death as being a "undiagnosed heart condition".

Expect to hear this term dropped in more and more in the coming months.

This will provide a psychological get-out-of-jail card for parents that have their child injected. "It wasnt our fault, she'd always had this problem, we weren't to know."

Hard to imagine much more dark than this sort of stuff being green lit and tasked by the Deep State / top BBC.
Yeah, I posted that video up somewhere. It's truly sinister.
 

Edek

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
Hard to imagine much more dark than this sort of stuff being green lit and tasked by the Deep State / top BBC.

I am guessing you aren't British (not that it is my business), because that is small beer for the Babylonian Brainwashing Commissariat. How about some of that good old BBC light comedy to take your mind off such serious things?

 
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