Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

Parmesan

Woodpecker
I must say these reports from Russia, Eastern Europe, and the rest of Europe (not to mention US/Canada/Australia, etc) make for some extremely depressing reading. New restrictions seem to be popping up on a weekly basis, and for the unvaccinated, I keep playing that Star Wars trash compactor scene in my head over and over.

They are tightening those screws and all that’s left right now is “essential services” like grocery stores and pharmacies where people can still enter without any vaccine proof, but for how long? I believe the best odds right now to live a normal life for the time being is a red state in the US, and even there, you want to be away from the big cities.

I definitely had high hopes for places like Russia, the Balkans, and Eastern Europe, but the recent developments there have been extremely disappointing.
It seems that there was an optimism or assumption on this forum that certain countries were going to be “based”, but its clear that centralized control and obedience/conformity is still quite ingrained in many of these places. I feel sorry for anyone that rushed to previously fetishized places like Georgia, as it looks likely these powerless countries will either fall under EU or Russia influenced Covid tyranny.

I agree, I think red state America has been overlooked on this forum, and may very well be the only places in the developed world with an actual political establishment that doesn’t simply fold to this BS. The Republican party is certainly worthy of the criticism it receives from the likes of this forum, but it is still WAY ahead of places like Canada or the UK where the conservatives are pretty much just trying to out liberal the liberals, and any type of Covid dissent is cancelled from both “conservatives” and liberals alike.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
It's been overlooked because of how Republican governors have historically just sold out and Americans tend to be very compliant towards institutions compared to other places. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for skepticism BUT there are also areas where this stuff is patently unenforceable.
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
K
Americans tend to be very compliant towards institutions compared to other places.
I feel like in a relative sense, this isn’t the case. Compared to whom? Europe? Hardly, nanny state central. Asians? The poster children for compliance. Arabs? They seem in love with authoritarianism. Latin America? They are just laissez faire in general, I don’t think many care much either direction. Plenty of Socialist lemmings in the US, but there is a large and seemingly growing movement of liberty minded people here that take our constitution serious. These people were often mocked as backwards rednecks, but they are proving to be prescient now.
 
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I feel like in a relative sense, this isn’t the case. Compared to whom? Europe? Hardly, nanny state central. Asians? The poster children for compliance. Arabs? They seem in love with authoritarianism. Latin America? They are just laissez faire in general, I don’t think many care much either direction. Plenty of Socialist lemmings in the US, but there is a large and seemingly growing movement of liberty minded people here that take our constitution serious. These people were often mocked as backwards rednecks, but they are proving to be prescient now.
 

The_ives

Chicken
American Red States have been the only places on Earth that have provided any serious resistance to the tyranny of the medical emergency state. In my part of a Red State, life is completely normal and has been for most of the last 2 years. There were the original 6 weeks where stuff was closed, but after that everything has been open. There was a month long period last year where businesses had to enforce the masks on people, but that ended when the emergency expired.

Despite having a total cuck governor, Texas has done well against the vax mandate. Florida has done well and the rest of the Red States have gone along with them. I had to go to California for a month over the summer and that place was Hell on Earth. I feel the pain of everybody who hasn't or can't leave one of these evil Blue States.

Before looking for a foreign country to ride out this mess in, look at the Red States in America. Going forward as the vaccine mandates become more and more unpopular, more and more Red State governors are going to try to build their popularity by resisting the mandates. More and more jobs are going to move to Red States and all of the opportunity is going to be in the Red States going forward. If you want to keep your freedom to live your life, then the best thing that you can do is get to one of the Red States ASAP.
 
American Red States have been the only places on Earth that have provided any serious resistance to the tyranny of the medical emergency state. In my part of a Red State, life is completely normal and has been for most of the last 2 years. There were the original 6 weeks where stuff was closed, but after that everything has been open. There was a month long period last year where businesses had to enforce the masks on people, but that ended when the emergency expired.

Despite having a total cuck governor, Texas has done well against the vax mandate. Florida has done well and the rest of the Red States have gone along with them. I had to go to California for a month over the summer and that place was Hell on Earth. I feel the pain of everybody who hasn't or can't leave one of these evil Blue States.

Before looking for a foreign country to ride out this mess in, look at the Red States in America. Going forward as the vaccine mandates become more and more unpopular, more and more Red State governors are going to try to build their popularity by resisting the mandates. More and more jobs are going to move to Red States and all of the opportunity is going to be in the Red States going forward. If you want to keep your freedom to live your life, then the best thing that you can do is get to one of the Red States ASAP.
I've been really, really searching around and getting first-hand reports of various places to figure out the 'best' place to ride this out. I received my temp residency for MX last month and need to visit in person to get my actual card, so I've been focusing on that country. I'm part of freedom cell groups on Telegram and generally trying to keep up to date with things there.

I read a recent report about MX that basically said it fell short of expectations and there was a lot of masking. Other areas I hear are 100% open. I worry about AMLO and his socialist leanings though, as well as meeting with Biden and Trudeau soon...I also worry it'd be easier and quicker for MX to suddenly require the jab for all sorts of things including entry to regions or even renewing residency visas. The risk of getting stuck down there without a proper online income or probable path forward (without taking the jabs) is real.

All that to say...I'm thinking red states will be the best chance at some semblance of freedom in the coming years. I'd still like to visit MX before end of year to make my residency official, but I likely won't stay for long. MX residency would be a plan B of sorts. So I think I'll visit some solid red areas in the coming months, talk to locals, and try to make some community somewhere. I'm in a campervan so I'd love to hear some cool spots anyone might know of in the southern US.
 

Don Quixote

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
I've been really, really searching around and getting first-hand reports of various places to figure out the 'best' place to ride this out. I received my temp residency for MX last month and need to visit in person to get my actual card, so I've been focusing on that country. I'm part of freedom cell groups on Telegram and generally trying to keep up to date with things there.

I read a recent report about MX that basically said it fell short of expectations and there was a lot of masking. Other areas I hear are 100% open. I worry about AMLO and his socialist leanings though, as well as meeting with Biden and Trudeau soon...I also worry it'd be easier and quicker for MX to suddenly require the jab for all sorts of things including entry to regions or even renewing residency visas. The risk of getting stuck down there without a proper online income or probable path forward (without taking the jabs) is real.

All that to say...I'm thinking red states will be the best chance at some semblance of freedom in the coming years. I'd still like to visit MX before end of year to make my residency official, but I likely won't stay for long. MX residency would be a plan B of sorts. So I think I'll visit some solid red areas in the coming months, talk to locals, and try to make some community somewhere. I'm in a campervan so I'd love to hear some cool spots anyone might know of in the southern US.
I have been through the northern gulf coast of FL, to Tampa and suburbs inland, and to the East Coast. So far I have yet to find a place I didn't like, but the big cities like Tampa and Orlando obviously have more masks. Still, life is as normal as one can get basically. I would say the northern gulf (Pensacola and coastal towns) is the most "free," and I actually really like the East Coast area (from St. Augustine south to Sebastian).

https://www.thedubrovniktimes.com/n...id-19-although-the-situation-is-unsustainable. - On the topic of Croatia, it looks like employees must show digital vaccination certificates to show up to work, and this article basically implies that quarantine for unvaxxed (like in Austria) is coming down the pipeline. Bad news.
 

The_ives

Chicken
My wife is from Mexico (not a tourist area) and we make it to her city every year for about 3 weeks or so. Last year we went for Christmas and New Years. In my wife's city, children below the age of 12 couldn't leave the house and people over 65 couldn't leave the house. On top of that the city and state government would announce on Friday morning that the city was going to shut down that evening and all businesses would be closed. It was hard on my kids who were locked down in grandma's house for basically a month straight. My nephews there had basically been locked up in their houses or relatives' houses for nearly a year at that point. On top of that my family ended up getting Coronavirus anyway and the most likely Case 0 in the family was my 1 year old son who never left the house the whole time he was in Mexico.
In May, my wife and I went to Puerto Vallarta for a week. The city of Puerto Vallarta was fine. No mask requirements and no crap over vaccine mandates or anything but that's probably a combination of being a tourist area and being under the control of the cartels. At the resort you had to wear a mask in the restaurants whenever you weren't seated at a table. The Americans at the resort hated it and did everything to resist and get around the rules, but the upper middle class Mexicans there were obsessed with the masks and would even wear them out to the pool, etc. I noticed that the whiter Mexicans were more compliant with the mask mandates than the browner Mexicans, kind of like how the coastal "good whites" are going along while the deplorables in the interior of America are resisting more.

My family and I are going to my wife's city for a wedding in February and it will be interesting to see what her city is like. I suspect that things there are probably like how a Red State in America is where there's no longer much enforcement or push to mask everybody up but there will be signs everywhere encouraging the people to get the vaccine but who knows.

Right now I don't know whether or not Mexico is a good place to ride the storm out but I'm leaning toward it probably isn't. Mexicans are good at passive resistance against evil governments. A lot of so called Mexican laziness and incompetence is really their way of resisting against evil. The thing is that if you aren't Mexican, then you are likely to be a target of corrupt officials looking for somebody to get one over on and nobody is going to back you up on anything.
 

zetts

Sparrow
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UK also threatening with lockdowns around Christmas. Europe is fucked it seems. I wonder if same applies to Spain, now that they had court rulings saying their two lockdowns were unconstitutional.
 

Feyoder

Kingfisher
For those thinking about Ukraine. Recently they instituted a green pass system using QR codes.

Also, more seriously, the goverment is now bribing the citizenry to get the vax. $37 per person. At a of 44 million that's potentially $2.2 billion. Where on earth is that money coming from?!?!?!?!?


My guess is, like the US, they're trying to get a critical mass with the carrot so they can bring out the stick on a minority remnant.
 

Pointy Elbows

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Do they get loans for doing so? I don't understand the incentive for the "leaders".
I remember reading that Ukraine and some of the other countries were strong-armed by IMF/World Bank types. Something to do with being able to draw at the BIS contingent upon them getting their vaxx rates up. That's about when EE started enforcing vaxx mandates.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
I remember reading that Ukraine and some of the other countries were strong-armed by IMF/World Bank types. Something to do with being able to draw at the BIS contingent upon them getting their vaxx rates up. That's about when EE started enforcing vaxx mandates.
It would be one of the few explanations for the insanity, and is informative as it is the method for all global elite control over time, over history of at least the modern nation state.
 

Don Quixote

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
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UK also threatening with lockdowns around Christmas. Europe is fucked it seems. I wonder if same applies to Spain, now that they had court rulings saying their two lockdowns were unconstitutional.
What countries are left anymore? Croatia is hanging by a thread...

I can only count Poland, Albania, and Armenia as countries in the region that have not instituted some green pass. Not sure about Belarus, maybe they haven't either. I haven't looked because as an American it's only 30 day visa there.
 

Padouk

Kingfisher
What countries are left anymore? Croatia is hanging by a thread...

I can only count Poland, Albania, and Armenia as countries in the region that have not instituted some green pass. Not sure about Belarus, maybe they haven't either. I haven't looked because as an American it's only 30 day visa there.

Looks like Sweden got its tranche from the IMF too.

Sweden to introduce Covid vaccine passes for indoor events​

The Swedish government plans to introduce a requirement for Covid vaccine passes at indoor events where more than 100 people attend, a step recommended by health officials warning of a rising tide of infections in coming weeks, Reuters reports.

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and Ukraine

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) plans to consider the issue of allocating the next tranche to Ukraine on November 22.

This is evidenced by the data on the fund's website, Ukrainian News Agency reports.
 

ElChico

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
My wife is from Mexico (not a tourist area) and we make it to her city every year for about 3 weeks or so. Last year we went for Christmas and New Years. In my wife's city, children below the age of 12 couldn't leave the house and people over 65 couldn't leave the house. On top of that the city and state government would announce on Friday morning that the city was going to shut down that evening and all businesses would be closed. It was hard on my kids who were locked down in grandma's house for basically a month straight. My nephews there had basically been locked up in their houses or relatives' houses for nearly a year at that point. On top of that my family ended up getting Coronavirus anyway and the most likely Case 0 in the family was my 1 year old son who never left the house the whole time he was in Mexico.
In May, my wife and I went to Puerto Vallarta for a week. The city of Puerto Vallarta was fine. No mask requirements and no crap over vaccine mandates or anything but that's probably a combination of being a tourist area and being under the control of the cartels. At the resort you had to wear a mask in the restaurants whenever you weren't seated at a table. The Americans at the resort hated it and did everything to resist and get around the rules, but the upper middle class Mexicans there were obsessed with the masks and would even wear them out to the pool, etc. I noticed that the whiter Mexicans were more compliant with the mask mandates than the browner Mexicans, kind of like how the coastal "good whites" are going along while the deplorables in the interior of America are resisting more.

My family and I are going to my wife's city for a wedding in February and it will be interesting to see what her city is like. I suspect that things there are probably like how a Red State in America is where there's no longer much enforcement or push to mask everybody up but there will be signs everywhere encouraging the people to get the vaccine but who knows.

Right now I don't know whether or not Mexico is a good place to ride the storm out but I'm leaning toward it probably isn't. Mexicans are good at passive resistance against evil governments. A lot of so called Mexican laziness and incompetence is really their way of resisting against evil. The thing is that if you aren't Mexican, then you are likely to be a target of corrupt officials looking for somebody to get one over on and nobody is going to back you up on anything.

Im from Mexico, and I've read a few comments in this post talking about "escaping" to Mexico, so here's my opinion on it. Ever since the pandemic started, Mexico has been in a somewhat "lukewarm" state, from my point of view. In general, the government here didnt implement any of the tyrannical lockdowns as First world Europe (There were a few cases, but only the highest developed cities did it, and it wasnt for long). They might have tried to lockdown people more, but as it is probably the same case with other third world countries, there are too many people, who dont care much about it, they arent in any side of the political vax coin, like Ives said, Mexicans live in a state of pasiveness/laziness around issues like this, they dont really care when it doesnt affect them. What Ive learned is that, the more developed the city/town, the more compliant it will be, it seems it is just human nature, as this is the case in most other countries.

About "escaping", I honestly think it might be a bit hard for a foreigner to escape here, if you dont have relations here (family/friends), if you dont speak the language well. It obviosly depends from person to person, but adapting to a different culture, knowing nobody, etc, is hard especially in this pandemic way of life. If we compare the situation here to, Austria for example, who literally has house arrest for unvaxxed, then Mexico is much better, here you would have freedom, but it comes at a cost.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Looks like Sweden got its tranche from the IMF too.

Sweden to introduce Covid vaccine passes for indoor events​

The Swedish government plans to introduce a requirement for Covid vaccine passes at indoor events where more than 100 people attend, a step recommended by health officials warning of a rising tide of infections in coming weeks, Reuters reports.

---------------------
and Ukraine

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) plans to consider the issue of allocating the next tranche to Ukraine on November 22.

This is evidenced by the data on the fund's website, Ukrainian News Agency reports.
And there goes the ''look at Sweden'' narrative as expected.
 
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