Where to escape coronavirus lockdowns/tyranny?

Tradcatholic

Robin
Catholic
6% of the continent are vaccinated. They aren't taking it seriously. Although they're ramping things up in South Africa now.


I've been looking at Nigeria but nothing concrete so far. There is no chance I can move to a red state in the US so I'm looking at other options.

Western Europe is finished so I have to move next year.
The reason there isn't much coronavirus in Africa is the fact that it's so sunny outside - so no-one watches television.
 

Lukashenko

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
But do you understand, that as a white guy you will never blend there, right?


If around 14 mil people could...
I don't care tbh, would rather that then covid restrictions for the rest of my life.

This time next year, we won't be able to shop at our local supermarket. Things are that serious. That is the reality. Look at Germany, they want to make the vaccine mandatory from February. If/when that happens, the rest of Europe will soon follow.

I'm not having it, if people look at me weirdly because I'm a minority then it's a small price to pay. Short term pain, long term gain.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Catholic
New muzzle regulations are now in place in the UK and I went to the local supermarket for the first time today. All the staff were back in masks, but a lot of the locals who came in weren't having it. First I saw a big lad with his 6 or 7 year old daughter setting the right example, then a couple of other lads came in without masks. The unmasked I saw were all in their 20s and 30s, everyone else 50+ were masked up. This is a change from 2020, so I'm guessing these lads have had enough.
 

Dilated

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Fun fact: the biggest ethnic group in Argentina are Italians. All those people migrated there because of persecution in their home countries. If you want to emigrate find people who made the same move.

Got me thinking about Argentina now. Especially with the digital nomad pass. Hopefully it will be easy to transition to permanent residency if desired.

I could easily live in Mendoza.
 

Kiwi

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
If you're going to Africa, go West. Great people. Very friendly and welcoming.
They will feed you and take you in once they know you are for real. Even people with nothing to give, will give. So if you go, don't promise anything you can't deliver. It's about trust.

Just be prepared to get absolutely humbled, that's all i'd say....Physically, emotionally..... if you're not strong you'll soon find out. Africa beats it out of you. You have no choice.

I would go again if I had the chance. Miss it very much.
 

Crazy88

Robin
Other Christian
Plus Hyperinflation and rampant socialism.

Speaking of Argentina, I had no idea that it was a sort of mini-superpower in the early part of the 20th century. Then, the first military coup took place in 1930 and the rest is history.

Decades of political instability has reduced it to an also-ran unfortunately. In an alternate universe, with competent governments and sane economic policies, and it’s perfect location being far away from the rest of the world, it could’ve been a nice haven especially at a time like this.

Some reading here:

 

Tradcatholic

Robin
Catholic
Why are people talking about Argentina, they literally require the vaccine to enter.
Not quite accurate, but I don't know how easy it is to get an exemption. "Work, business, studies" is pretty broad though. I don't know if being unvaccinated makes it less likely to get a settlement visa.

Exemptions​

Exemptions for non-fully vaccinated non-resident foreign nationals may be granted to:

  • Family members of Argentine nationals or residents of Argentina. This applies to children, parents, spouses and common-law partners
  • Those travelling for work, business, studies or sportspersons travelling for specific sports events
  • Diplomats or officials on official business
  • Those being granted permanent or temporary settlement visas
If you believe you might fall into any of the above categories, you must contact the nearest Argentine Consulate to where you live to seek approval for your trip. Non-resident foreign nationals who are not fully vaccinated cannot enter Argentina for tourism purposes.
 

Seadog

Kingfisher
I spoke with a friend who moved to Wisconsin on a TN visa during the summer. He said you can't do most things without a social insurance number and legal status. Strangely they want to make a fuss on ID for voting but not for getting a cell phone plan. He said no way you could work professionally if you are undocumented. Maybe day labour or farm work for cash. If you have online income it could also work. Interested to hear more from Americans on how this could work though. How could someone get by without citizenship or greencard?

I had a friend who did something like that when he was 20, just because he was tired of the cold. Moved down to FL during winter, had some contacts from a friend here who's dad had an appliance business, and went down there and worked for like $50 a day moving/installing fridges and stoves.

Honestly he said he felt like he really didn't belong anywhere and if he were forced to live like that it would be an almost impossible existance. He couldn't make use of all the things in the regular gov't/economy because he was just an a tourist visa. But likewise he was also largely excluded from the underground economy, because that was conducted in Spanish, and relies extremely heavily on word-of-mouth and who-you-know transfer of information. Additionally, not being a latin immigrant, he was viewed with a certain air of suspicion.

I almost find this whole thread a little bit comical. Yes it's extremely bad in Canada and many other places, but to think that there is such a night and day difference between it and the US (or Georgia, or Serbia or where ever) that it warrants giving up all legal status, your right to work, rent an apartment, get a driver's license, and in the more foreign cases where language is an issue, even communicate or form any kind of community relationships is asinine. You can roll the dice where you are hoping it gets better while enjoying the ability to work, communicate, and not worry about being hauled off to immigration jail merely for being there, or you can sacrifice all that, on a similar gamble in a place that may end up just being a month behind the curve en-route to an even worse place.
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Not quite accurate, but I don't know how easy it is to get an exemption. "Work, business, studies" is pretty broad though. I don't know if being unvaccinated makes it less likely to get a settlement visa.

Exemptions​

Exemptions for non-fully vaccinated non-resident foreign nationals may be granted to:

  • Family members of Argentine nationals or residents of Argentina. This applies to children, parents, spouses and common-law partners
  • Those travelling for work, business, studies or sportspersons travelling for specific sports events
  • Diplomats or officials on official business
  • Those being granted permanent or temporary settlement visas
If you believe you might fall into any of the above categories, you must contact the nearest Argentine Consulate to where you live to seek approval for your trip. Non-resident foreign nationals who are not fully vaccinated cannot enter Argentina for tourism purposes.

If you have a reasonably resourceful friend in Argentina, he can send you a business invite, then you get the business visa. Or just set up a company where you live, and ask yourself for the business visa at an Argentine consulate. "To carry out prospective meetings, attend a business convention, etc"...

By the way, user Crazy88 wondered why Argentina was not the heaven it should be. Well, it is a heaven. Just a heaven for local people living outside big metropolis, or a heaven for anyone with good hard currency (or btcs). If one has good money, I can't easily think of a better place to live, far from the world violences. Plus, the Catholic Church is still powerful here.

Talking about South America, there are elections these days in Chile, and the most voted candidate is an Ultra Conservative (German) candidate, pitted against an alt Left (Croatian) one.
 

Seadog

Kingfisher
I don't care tbh, would rather that then covid restrictions for the rest of my life.

This time next year, we won't be able to shop at our local supermarket. Things are that serious. That is the reality. Look at Germany, they want to make the vaccine mandatory from February. If/when that happens, the rest of Europe will soon follow.

I'm not having it, if people look at me weirdly because I'm a minority then it's a small price to pay. Short term pain, long term gain.

It's less being "looked at weirdly" than being "kidnapped and held for a ransom which you probably wouldn't have". I've had a few friends work down there in oil, and mind you this was in areas where they knew rich oil workers congregated, but essentially anyone who wasn't jet black wasn't allowed outside of the compound unless they were flying offshore. One acquaintance I knew did get kidnapped, and showed me pics of when they hijacked a small offshore rig, and then took it to their little village. a $100m rig tied up next to fishing shanties.

I also think people are underestimating exactly how bribery and what not works too. You don't just rock up to the immigration bureau, not speaking the local language with a fistfull of cash and say "I'd like some illegal documents please!" As I alluded to in my other post, these are all done through personal contacts who above all need to know and trust you. While I've seen my fair share of corruption and bribery first hand, it was all effected via people who already had extensive ties to each other and the system. Yes there's corruption, but it isn't blantant, and they aren't stupid about it. They are afterall trying to give an air of legitmacy.
 
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