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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pointy Elbows" data-source="post: 1518739" data-attributes="member: 21382">The madness appears to be spreading even to Ukraine.  Had a conversation with a Ukrainian that has a young friend that works at a restaurant.  Today, management told them all to get vaccinated by end of September or else.  These poor people.  They have nothing compared to us westerners.  And they are being put in an even worse situation.  God bless them. This in a country with very low vaccine rates and famous for their loose "civil controls."  The poz is spreading even to such havens.  I'm not discouraging anyone from finding a better circumstance, but be careful.  It is looking to me like you may just have to all stand, suffer, and win.</blockquote>