Whether or not you would let your kids hang out with a family headed by a gay couple

Luna Novem

Woodpecker
Woman
During a conversation with my sister once, she was saying that her husband showed signs of "homophobia" that she wasn't comfortable with. I let it be known that I understood where he was coming from, and that I would take it even further than he does. Somehow the fact that I wouldn't want my kids hanging out with a gay-headed family came up. My sister was saddened and appalled. She has gay male neighbors who she gives as an example of kind, law-abiding, clean-cut people that I'd be "missing out" on.

She wanted me to explain why I think the way I do, and I didn't know what to say other than that we don't want to paint that as normal for our kids.

To give a bit of background: This situation has never actually happened to me. I do not KNOW any gay people. I live in a conservative small town and we purposely surround ourselves with conservative Christians. Nor, when I think hypothetically, am I thinking of relatives.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? Would you also avoid this? Would you not avoid it? Are there any good straightforward logical explanations one could give to someone else? (Edited to add: My sister is not religious, so she would not understand a Biblical or religious-based answer).
 
During a conversation with my sister once, she was saying that her husband showed signs of "homophobia" that she wasn't comfortable with. I let it be known that I understood where he was coming from, and that I would take it even further than he does. Somehow the fact that I wouldn't want my kids hanging out with a gay-headed family came up. My sister was saddened and appalled. She has gay male neighbors who she gives as an example of kind, law-abiding, clean-cut people that I'd be "missing out" on.

She wanted me to explain why I think the way I do, and I didn't know what to say other than that we don't want to paint that as normal for our kids.

To give a bit of background: This situation has never actually happened to me. I do not KNOW any gay people. I live in a conservative small town and we purposely surround ourselves with conservative Christians. Nor, when I think hypothetically, am I thinking of relatives.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? Would you also avoid this? Would you not avoid it? Are there any good straightforward logical explanations one could give to someone else? (Edited to add: My sister is not religious, so she would not understand a Biblical or religious-based answer).

I live in a major metro which leans liberal, but has a fair split with common conservatives. We make sure to know the beliefs of the parents our kids hang out with, often on specific issues too. If they aren't dissident-minded, we don't let our children spend any time with their kids. If they're dissidents who are good people but less religious we let our children play with them but keep a slight distance with the relationships.

You might ask your sister what your kids would be missing out on. Even if you agreed with their lifestyle, they're just another NPC couple.

Edit: I should add...we don't allow any discussion about sexuality, directly or indirectly, with our children that doesn't come from my wife or I. ANY indication of sexual content with my kids and we bounce.
 

Elipe

Kingfisher
First and foremost is the pedophilia issue, but since your sister thinks her gay male neighbors are like the ones they show in fictional TV series, which grossly mischaracterizes gays as behaving much more "cleanly" than they actually do in real life, it's unlikely this would work even if you dropped the hard data on her. She would just claim that even if the data showed that, the gays she knows are "not like that". Again because she would be under the impression that her neighbors are Will and Jack from that one TV show.

The bigger issue here though is that being nonreligious, your sister really has no fixed moral framework with which she could judge homosexuality as errant behavior. The TV tells her it is good, the politicians tell her it is good, people all around her tell her it is good and that you are very, very bad if you ever criticize it. Her sole source of authority on these things comes straight from the TV, and fiction at that.

She also probably does not think about the fact that sin is no respecter of boundaries. It always grows, always seeks more. And the doctrine of globohomo is that if it feels good, it's good. So when you have sexual deviants like homosexuals, they tend to seek more and more deviant forms of sexuality. And children usually end up targeted at some point.

The difficulty is in trying to convince the nonreligious that homosexuality is in fact, not a good or laudable thing. The only thing I can really think of that really works on the nonreligious is the strategy that the anons over at 4chan employ: shock. They have tons of images documenting the deviancy of homosexuals, their pedophilic tendencies, and the kind of self-harm they bring on themselves with their various acts of intercourse and masturbatory toys.

Of course, trying to shock your sister into finding homosexuality disgusting is also just as likely to backfire and make her shut you out because she wants desperately to believe the pretty lies the fictional TV shows tell her. She wants to think that Will & Jack are just like straight men but with a better sense of humor and fashion. She doesn't want to think about what exactly homosexuality actually entails.

Ever notice they never have homosexual sex scenes in those TV shows and movies, but they'll happily show the heterosexual ones?

There's a reason homosexuality is presented as a neuter thing in mass media.
 

messaggera

Woodpecker
Woman
This is not meant to be a religious-based answer, but rather an answer focused on moral standards and values of privacy.

If a relationship is based on homosexual behaviour than the purpose is to fulfil desires of the flesh through [extreme indulgence in bodily pleasures and especially sexual pleasures].

Intimacy between two consenting (hopefully married) adults is to be a private act of love, not a declaration to identify oneself as an individual (LGB). How is identification related to this topic well when a child questions biology (how babies are made) it can be rather confusing to see two homosexual individuals raising a child. The conversation turns from biological facts to justifying sexual deviance. There is nothing private about homosexual couples because of how they identify as an individual - through sexual behaviour / attraction.

Children are often a reflection of his or her parents. A mother has a right to vet who is around her child, and what type of peer influence could occur.

I wrote this with a mindset of two homosexual males, but I wonder what else I would have wrote if it were two lesbians. Why? Because women are to be God's handmaids with children.
 

Ah_Tibor

Robin
Woman
To be honest, I think it's a hypothetical non-issue. Most of the gay/whatever people I know tend to be somewhat antagonistic, or at least not interested in children. They can't get pregnant, if they want kids it requires a huge amount of extra steps. Typically if they have any it's because they are divorced from an opposite-sex spouse, and you run into the same kinds of weird issues from other divorced parents. Yes, you have surrogacy and IVF etc. now, but the kind of heterosexual people using those services don't share my values, either.

After having a baby I find it *very* hard to think of a gay man or a lesbian doing the same job. My husband's uncle (who passed after our wedding, and miss a lot) was in a long-term relationship with a man after being married. Both he and his partner have kids. His partner often relates the story of his daughter's birth where he thought she was the ugliest thing ever, thought his wife was being ridiculous crying when giving birth, convinced that she (baby) was black and his wife was cheating on him because babies come out purple-- in short, it took awhile for him to warm up to her. All of which is a funny story to be told at a party, but strikes me as very strange, and sad. Nor do I think that kind of thinking is uncommon, a friend of mine I grew up with (who identifies as something on the LGBTQWERTY spectrum), upon finding out I was pregnant, congratulated me on being a host organism.

It probably gets into weird territory because there are probably more blended/adopted/whatever families nowadays, and one's child could meet a kid at school and be friends, in which case I would screen the parents and use common sense. Otherwise I think it's just a strawman argument.
 

typtre

Robin
I would like to point to data about gay molestation. Gays (males especially) hit a real high percentage in everything regarding children when it comes to sexual abuse, molestation, etc. Unfortunately, as this hits home to Clown World, it is probably not that easy to gather convincing information or find an angle of attack to a mind already aboard the gay agenda.

I do not think any straightforward logical explanation will work on your sister, because it rarely works on anybody on topics more advanced than grade school math. The gay agenda is brainwashing and gaslighting. One does not simply reason anyone out of it.

3/10 would avoid for kid's own safety, possible sanity, and future.
 

Luna Novem

Woodpecker
Woman
I live in a major metro which leans liberal, but has a fair split with common conservatives. We make sure to know the beliefs of the parents our kids hang out with, often on specific issues too. If they aren't dissident-minded, we don't let our children spend any time with their kids. If they're dissidents who are good people but less religious we let our children play with them but keep a slight distance with the relationships.

You might ask your sister what your kids would be missing out on. Even if you agreed with their lifestyle, they're just another NPC couple.

Edit: I should add...we don't allow any discussion about sexuality, directly or indirectly, with our children that doesn't come from my wife or I. ANY indication of sexual content with my kids and we bounce.
Yes. Your last edited comment is part of why it bothers me. It's virtually impossible for kids to meet a gay couple WITHOUT questions and things arising. It confuses them. I had the blessing of an unconfused childhood. I don't think I had any idea about gay anything until I was in high school... middle school at the very least. I wish them to have the same innocent childhood.
 

Luna Novem

Woodpecker
Woman
Would you let your kids hang out with a family headed by swingers? People with a BDSM dungeon in the basement? Drug smugglers? Drug addicts? Pornographers?

Yeah, no.
While I may see what you're getting at, my sister is immediately going to think that a gay couple is just like a straight couple, with the exception of their preference to sleep with their own gender. So equating them to drug smugglers or pornographers simply won't work.
 
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DanielH

Pelican
I had the statistics on my old phone but homosexuals are something like 9 or 10 times more likely to molest children than normal people. They're out there if you search for them on duckduckgo. In general I think it's a good idea to keep children away from people who masturbate their benis with another man's anus and then ejaculate inside the rectum, mixing the ejaculate with the feces, and tearing the anus in the process so that blood is added to the mix. That is mental illness. How this is even a question blows my mind. I know it's your sister, not you, but still. There was a reason all functional societies discriminated against them.
 

muhtea

Robin
Woman
While I may see what you're getting at, my sister is immediately going to think that a gay couple is just like a straight couple, with the exception of their preference to sleep with their own gender. So equating them to drug smugglers or pornographers simply won't work.
I think I've just got to a point where I don't bother to explain myself or try to convince people of anything. Thus I have no idea what I would do in this situation but just giving a perspective, FWIW. If someone sees them as no different to a normal couple (many of whom are bad enough!) then I don't think there's much of a way to get through with any sort of rational discourse. You can't reason someone out of what he/she wasn't reasoned into. First they need to understand that it is disordered in the most fundamental sense, and of course I realize that to the average person that sounds pretty nuts, hence I just wouldn't even bother trying to convince them. If they truly want to see it from a different perspective, then I'll talk.
 

Ah_Tibor

Robin
Woman
You know, the older I get I realize how many people I've been friends with due to circumstance, when in reality one can be friends, or not be friends, for any reason. I don't really get along with women who are really into Disney, day drinking, reality shows et al. I don't think they shouldn't exist, or don't have a right to exist, but I think their interests are dumb and I don't want to spend any time around them. I also don't like spending time around gays in general. They do not share any of my values. If I do meet a rare "conservative" type (which in reality are more libertarian-- I grew up around libertarians hahah I am familiar with the rhetoric), I can get along, but do I want them to be a close friend? No. Why would I have to make a hypothetical scenerio where we're great friends or that I'm missing out?

So I would tell somebody who's knee-deep in propaganda that I would judge them according the same standards that I would a straight couple. That's true!
 

Luna Novem

Woodpecker
Woman
You know, the older I get I realize how many people I've been friends with due to circumstance, when in reality one can be friends, or not be friends, for any reason. I don't really get along with women who are really into Disney, day drinking, reality shows et al. I don't think they shouldn't exist, or don't have a right to exist, but I think their interests are dumb and I don't want to spend any time around them. I also don't like spending time around gays in general. They do not share any of my values. If I do meet a rare "conservative" type (which in reality are more libertarian-- I grew up around libertarians hahah I am familiar with the rhetoric), I can get along, but do I want them to be a close friend? No. Why would I have to make a hypothetical scenerio where we're great friends or that I'm missing out?

So I would tell somebody who's knee-deep in propaganda that I would judge them according the same standards that I would a straight couple. That's true!
Yeah, one of my sister's big arguments is that these neighbors of hers are Republicans and I'd probably share a lot in common with them.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
She has gay male neighbors who she gives as an example of kind, law-abiding, clean-cut people that I'd be "missing out" on.
What is wrong with these people stirring up trouble.. You don't know any gay people and there are none nearby. What, must you now seek them out? Gays are a minority, except that some liberals live in neighbourhoods where that may not seem to be the case.

I hope it never happens, that none of us find ourselves in a situation where our children want to hang out with friends in a household headed by gays (or lesbians). If it does somehow happen, how about just treat it on a case by case basis. Cross that bridge when you come to it.

HIV although not very contagious is prevalent among the gays. It's really not a nice thought. I remember this gay guy I worked with once used to get himself tested every few months and a few years ago, someone liberal invited me to a party hosted by a gay couple who were HIV positive. I attended but was not comfortable, the thought of it was quite off-putting and really you have to draw the line somewhere, they may be nice people and everything but...

It's sick but it's not the children's fault if they are adopted by gays, it's society's fault for allowing it.

There is a lot of potential for arguments if one parent held a different opinion on that.
 

fortyfive

Sparrow
Kids are easily deceived by skilled adults. They are still naive and totally defenseless against old perverts with a lot of experience of luring victims.
Abraham wasn't living in the city of Sodom for good reason.

Homosexuality is an abomination to God. Period.
 

fortyfive

Sparrow
Do you want to know something funny?

When I was around 10-13 years old (a long time ago) I was pretty experienced in doing many bad things but I had still no idea, that something like gay people even exists. Nobody talked about them, no tv, school, friends, no one.

I remember my initial shock when someone finally told me about their existence -)).
I couldn't believe it. ...Man with a man doing what...? No way, such a disgusting thing could be possible!

...well, I underestimated the human race again.
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
No. And I'm surprised this is even a question. There's enough of that inescapable crap in pop culture, school, politics and the working world that you don't need to give evil a front row seat to accessing your children while they are impressionable.

Roosh said in one of his videos that he'd rather live next to a house full of illegal immigrants than a house occupied by a couple of sodomites. I'm with him on that.
 
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