debeguiled said:There are smart, experienced people who see a concerted effort by a small group of elites as the explanation for our decline, and there are smart, experienced people who think incompetence and human nature is enough to account for it.
If there is an elite cabal manipulating us, they aren't going to say so or provide the evidence for it, so we are left with speculation, ultimately.
I kind of think both sides are right.
People are greedy and short sighted enough to screw up a good thing, and with technology to speed everything up, it could just be an ignorant disaster.
On the other hand, when I see thing like the rise of tranny rights, and states like North Carolina getting boycotted by everyone for not letting men into women's bathrooms, or trannies suddenly competing in female sports, even in high schools, presented as a fait accompli, it's hard not to think there is a hidden, motivated, well funded, politically connected group manipulating things.
I lean towards the idea of the Atlanticists as put forth in Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope," running things in the background, or at least influencing things with a long view. I also think that the heads of the world powers and businesses are like any monopoly, pooling their resources and strategizing for mutual gain, with people like the Jewish influence groups, the feminists, and all that simply allowed to do their thing as long as it aligns for the most part with the goals of the elites.
A lot of the writing and videos of Jay Dyer on these subjects make sense to me, though I don' t necessarily think it is all coherent or as planned as it has been described.
The spiritual angle can't be dismissed either, and if you believe in spiritual forces for good or evil, it might well be malevolent spiritual entities influencing people in power, letting them think they are the smart ones pursuing their own ends. This could also explain the seemingly coordinated changes that appear to be cropping up in society.
Come on 911, let's hear your summarized theory. No need to trash Sp5. This is an interesting discussion.
I definitely think elites are involved, my own ideas suggests that, but there is more than one elite.
Quigley was writing 50 years ago, most of that old Eastern Establishment has been washed away or diminished in relative power. We are not in the days of the Dulles brothers, John McCloy, Robert Taft, and Henry Cabot Lodge anymore.
The late 60s and 70s changed things a lot. Things are more open to the public and more subject to public politics. There are now multiple "think-tanks" representing multiple interests pushing their agendas in Washington. There's a lot more than the CFR now.
Heritage, AEI, Brookings, Hudson, Center for American Progress, Center for New American Security, Cato etc. All with distinct sources of funding and distinct points of view, all supply staffers to Congress and the Executive.
Tech bros in the Pacific Northwest and oil guys in Texas are "elites" but have different cultural and economic objectives. There are "elites" in retail, academia, medicine, finance, all competing or cooperating.
There's no Central Committee deciding things.