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<blockquote data-quote="Lunostrelki" data-source="post: 1260803" data-attributes="member: 11498"><p><strong>RE: Which group is responsible for the predicament ...</strong></p><p></p><p>I was tempted to vote "leftists," but ultimately didn't choose anything because I don't think any of the options really fit the bill. </p><p></p><p>The underlying reason why things are as bad as they are now is because the means of production and distribution of goods underwent massive changes in the last 200 years, alienating people from their traditional paradigms. The elites, Jews, feminists, leftists, whatever group you want to single out, they and their actions are only manifestations of those greater societal and economic shifts.</p><p></p><p>It's ironic that the sickest degeneracies like homosexuality, transgenderism, militant feminism, and so on arose in the free, democratic West in the age of complete consumerism and commercialism. Meanwhile, in the communist totalitarian East, the worst they generally got was a few abortive free sex movements before the "red emperors" Stalin and Mao imposed largely traditional roles on the family, used traditional artistic mediums in their propaganda, and the like. Of course they also had loads of mass murder, state terror, and famine, so this is not to claim they were any better. </p><p></p><p>This leads me to think that the march to degeneracy and destruction is at least as much an unconscious process, driven by greed and capital, as it is the result of willful malice inflicted by hateful groups upon traditional society. The thing is, the evil, hateful people always existed. If you look at the ancient rulers and conquerers, few of them were good people by any normal moral standard. The barbaric anti-social rebels, the devil-worshippers, they were present throughout history. But the character of life back then was totally different. A lot of things we have lost today, such as the concepts of male responsibility and female chastity, or that art should be beautiful and not monstrous, were simply common sense and didn't even need mentioning. Industrialization and its fruits made it possible for the minority of degenerates and sickos to normalize their evil. </p><p></p><p>Once the wicked got into power, they used mass media and other fruits of technology to impose their will upon the rest of the population and present it as progress. In Russia 100 years ago they had Lenin, who realized that the masses would not develop revolution on their won and needed to be herded into it by a brutal vanguard Communist Party. In the West we have similar people — they are not violent revolutionaries but evil figures in the realms of finance, industry, popular culture, and so on. In the past, their insane influence could never so great as it is now, because back then nature and the limits of human technology dictated that such insanities like gay marriage, transgenderism, or "I don't need a man" feminism would have gone extinct quickly if they ever appeared. </p><p></p><p>In this light, I think our culture's fixation on Hitler is interesting. The Nazis represented a fanatical and direct attempt, using the most brutal mechanisms of both communism and capitalism, to consciously impose their vision of an idealized traditional civilization upon Europe. The way that Hitler and his henchmen wielded power with naked purpose is almost the exact opposite of how power is exercised by the elites of today, snaking insidiously towards a dark objective camouflaged by layers upon layers of laws, media narrative-shaping, educational paradigms, and the like. </p><p></p><p>This contrast makes conservatives tingle with fantasy and a little bit of subconscious envy, and it makes progressive elites shudder with the ancient fear of what might happen if someone ever worked up the same do-or-die resolve that Hitler had, and got enough people to follow him. This may have been what they were really thinking when they came up with the slogan "Never Again" — judging from post WWII history, preventing other mass murders was probably the least of their concerns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lunostrelki, post: 1260803, member: 11498"] [b]RE: Which group is responsible for the predicament ...[/b] I was tempted to vote "leftists," but ultimately didn't choose anything because I don't think any of the options really fit the bill. The underlying reason why things are as bad as they are now is because the means of production and distribution of goods underwent massive changes in the last 200 years, alienating people from their traditional paradigms. The elites, Jews, feminists, leftists, whatever group you want to single out, they and their actions are only manifestations of those greater societal and economic shifts. It's ironic that the sickest degeneracies like homosexuality, transgenderism, militant feminism, and so on arose in the free, democratic West in the age of complete consumerism and commercialism. Meanwhile, in the communist totalitarian East, the worst they generally got was a few abortive free sex movements before the "red emperors" Stalin and Mao imposed largely traditional roles on the family, used traditional artistic mediums in their propaganda, and the like. Of course they also had loads of mass murder, state terror, and famine, so this is not to claim they were any better. This leads me to think that the march to degeneracy and destruction is at least as much an unconscious process, driven by greed and capital, as it is the result of willful malice inflicted by hateful groups upon traditional society. The thing is, the evil, hateful people always existed. If you look at the ancient rulers and conquerers, few of them were good people by any normal moral standard. The barbaric anti-social rebels, the devil-worshippers, they were present throughout history. But the character of life back then was totally different. A lot of things we have lost today, such as the concepts of male responsibility and female chastity, or that art should be beautiful and not monstrous, were simply common sense and didn't even need mentioning. Industrialization and its fruits made it possible for the minority of degenerates and sickos to normalize their evil. Once the wicked got into power, they used mass media and other fruits of technology to impose their will upon the rest of the population and present it as progress. In Russia 100 years ago they had Lenin, who realized that the masses would not develop revolution on their won and needed to be herded into it by a brutal vanguard Communist Party. In the West we have similar people — they are not violent revolutionaries but evil figures in the realms of finance, industry, popular culture, and so on. In the past, their insane influence could never so great as it is now, because back then nature and the limits of human technology dictated that such insanities like gay marriage, transgenderism, or "I don't need a man" feminism would have gone extinct quickly if they ever appeared. In this light, I think our culture's fixation on Hitler is interesting. The Nazis represented a fanatical and direct attempt, using the most brutal mechanisms of both communism and capitalism, to consciously impose their vision of an idealized traditional civilization upon Europe. The way that Hitler and his henchmen wielded power with naked purpose is almost the exact opposite of how power is exercised by the elites of today, snaking insidiously towards a dark objective camouflaged by layers upon layers of laws, media narrative-shaping, educational paradigms, and the like. This contrast makes conservatives tingle with fantasy and a little bit of subconscious envy, and it makes progressive elites shudder with the ancient fear of what might happen if someone ever worked up the same do-or-die resolve that Hitler had, and got enough people to follow him. This may have been what they were really thinking when they came up with the slogan "Never Again" — judging from post WWII history, preventing other mass murders was probably the least of their concerns. [/QUOTE]
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