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<blockquote data-quote="Mage" data-source="post: 1260821" data-attributes="member: 1809"><p>Only ad hominems, no arguments in your post.</p><p></p><p>How much do you know about how shamans operate? I bet your perception of them is Christian based. You just have to assume they are analogous to that faith that you know.</p><p></p><p>There are always people in all societies and in all times more interested in spiritual then others these would become shamans or priests, depending on society. The difference is that shamans are not a separate excluded caste, like Christian priests. To became a shaman you do not have to prove your loyalty to authority and you do not require years of brainwashing and dubious scripture. To became a shaman you must have access to astral world or higher and be able to practically demonstrate results. You do not have to belong to a shaman guild or whatever, anyone who reaches a certain level of attainment can do it.</p><p></p><p>Paganism may appear inconsistent because it is a broad umbrella term and there is no dogma. We have lost a lot of knowledge and and that knowledge stands above human reason, much can only be learned trough trial and error and is often counter-intuitive. Also paganism is not a revelation theology so there is no requirement for any divine power to explain it all to us.</p><p></p><p>Christianity is still inconstant even after two millennia of dogma and despite it relaying on human reason and believing theology can be explained by speculation. It is revelation theology meaning God could easily explain all the unclear questions that Christians argue internally for millennial like what happens to aborted babies or faith vs works argument and many others. Instead Christian God is silent and not does not deliver any proper revelation, all Christian theology is invented by Paul and other speculators and it still has many inconsistencies and plot holes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mage, post: 1260821, member: 1809"] Only ad hominems, no arguments in your post. How much do you know about how shamans operate? I bet your perception of them is Christian based. You just have to assume they are analogous to that faith that you know. There are always people in all societies and in all times more interested in spiritual then others these would become shamans or priests, depending on society. The difference is that shamans are not a separate excluded caste, like Christian priests. To became a shaman you do not have to prove your loyalty to authority and you do not require years of brainwashing and dubious scripture. To became a shaman you must have access to astral world or higher and be able to practically demonstrate results. You do not have to belong to a shaman guild or whatever, anyone who reaches a certain level of attainment can do it. Paganism may appear inconsistent because it is a broad umbrella term and there is no dogma. We have lost a lot of knowledge and and that knowledge stands above human reason, much can only be learned trough trial and error and is often counter-intuitive. Also paganism is not a revelation theology so there is no requirement for any divine power to explain it all to us. Christianity is still inconstant even after two millennia of dogma and despite it relaying on human reason and believing theology can be explained by speculation. It is revelation theology meaning God could easily explain all the unclear questions that Christians argue internally for millennial like what happens to aborted babies or faith vs works argument and many others. Instead Christian God is silent and not does not deliver any proper revelation, all Christian theology is invented by Paul and other speculators and it still has many inconsistencies and plot holes. [/QUOTE]
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