Which Kingdom Does Elon Musk Serve?

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Where did you get this teaching from? Many Church Fathers say that even Orthodox will be fooled (if not most), so how can it be that everyone reading your message will know? This is a dangerous statement.

It would be proud for me to know that I will not be tricked. It will be harder to be deceived if I approach this humbly, that my flesh will crave what the Antichrist will offer, and to proceed under guidance from my spiritual elders.
Which agrees with Matthew chapter 24.

"False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders in order to lead many astray, and if possible, even the elect." (v. 24)

Earlier in the chapter, "Jesus answered them, 'Be careful not to be led astray!'" (v. 4) EOB

There's always the danger of being led astray. We might, through pride and lack of spiritual discernment, be deceived by false prophets and false christs now, as our Lord warned. Given how spiritually immature and shallow almost everyone is now (I include myself in that), the Antichrist wouldn't have much of a problem deceiving most of us.

It's a good thing we're not facing the Antichrist. What we are facing is bad enough.
 

GodGiveMeStrength

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
Many Church Fathers say that even Orthodox will be fooled (if not most)
Would the "safest" approach then be to not trust anyone in a situation like this? I'll probably butcher or misremember the wording but aren't we to advised to rebuke even angels for the fear that they may be demons and the Lord will understand because we're trying not to be deceived?
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Would the "safest" approach then be to not trust anyone in a situation like this? I'll probably butcher or misremember the wording but aren't we to advised to rebuke even angels for the fear that they may be demons and the Lord will understand because we're trying not to be deceived?

Yes I believe this is the correct approach and I've also heard spiritual elders (I can't recall whom exactly) speak in this way about angelic visitations, that we shouldn't trust our senses if it happens and that God will reward our humility in those situations for resisting their pleas, even if it is one sent from God.

I've also heard one of the Saints mention, along similar lines, that one should not even dare to look at the antichrist when we suspect he has appeared. Simply looking at his face could be too much for us, and that it may tempt us beyond our strength. It's somewhat an extension of the advice given above.

When I first heard this, I found it hard to believe and a little sensational. Surely one cursory glance would just be a way of verifying whether or not this is the real antichrist? But after I had thought about it a while, this is similar advice for how we deal with the passions, especially lust, that we are told not to deal with the demons or passions directly, for they will surely overwhelm us, and that instead we should flee to Christ and ask him to defeat those passions for us.

If we consider the devil to be the author of evil and the primary force behind all sinful behaviour, then it makes sense that we should not directly look at the devil himself as antichrist, when we cannot even overcome simpler passions in our daily lives. It is a frightful thought to consider. The stronger our faith is in those days, and the more 'battle scars' we gain now in spiritual warfare, then the better off we'll be, if we ever do find ourselves in those dreadful times.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Where did you get this teaching from? Many Church Fathers say that even Orthodox will be fooled (if not most), so how can it be that everyone reading your message will know? This is a dangerous statement.

It would be proud for me to know that I will not be tricked. It will be harder to be deceived if I approach this humbly, that my flesh will crave what the Antichrist will offer, and to proceed under guidance from my spiritual elders.

My understanding was that a lot of people will be fooled, but that getting the mark of the beast is something you'll have full knowledge of.

Now that I'm thinking of that part of it more fully I can also guarantee it's not anyone you already hate that's the Antichrist. None of those people are widely beloved by any actual majority of people.
 

Going strong

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Gold Member
getting the mark of the beast is something you'll have full knowledge of.

I think, if I understood well, that the dreaded mark of the beast will be put either on the foreheads (clearly visible), or in the hand (in this last case, it would be "hidden" until the hand is open, presumably to grab or strike, but by then one would have been deceived already).
 

TexasJenn

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Any doubts I had about him were confirmed when his recent baby mama Grimes started displaying her affiliation with the dark side very prominently, just truly vile images on her instagram.

Birds of a feather flock together. A man wouldn't reproduce with a woman so clearly influenced by the dark side if he didn't align with it himself.
 

Chickenlord

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
Has Elon Musk ever exposed something that people didnt know already? We already knew the corruption of twitter, The digeneracy, The suppression of speech. Everything he is "exposing" has been known by everyone already. I implore you all to read or Reread the 1984 by George Orwell. The book explains completely this controlled oposition that you see.
 

Max Roscoe

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
I think Elon's child X has all the potential to be antiChrist.
Of course we shouldn't point fingers at someone without cause, and the usual caveats apply (we don't know the Antichrist yet blah blah) but I've thought it highly likely that it would be someone like this, raised in a nouveau-riche household by a fake billionaire (ie paper wealth created which can be just as easily taken away, as compared to the wealthy aristocratic families of old whose wealth cannot be instantly confiscated).

Elon Musk is an extremely suspicious character. When I first heard about him, I found him inspiring, as I like inventors, and he seemed to be doing something new, shaking up the car industry with his electric vehicles, innovating and creating a cleaner, more efficient product to help the world. But there was TONS of negative criticism of him, particularly on zerohedge which was very big at the time. You don't hear as much of it today.

Musk was accused of grifting off huge taxpayer subsidies, which is essentially the same thing Jeff Bezos has done--Amazon was unprofitable for well over a decade, operating primarily as a bookstore for far longer than typical businesses can afford to run at a loss, but then he was given billions by the deep state and suddenly had this "Amazon Web Services" thing which soon became an essential part of the internet backbone. Very suspicious.

Likewise, Elon Musk is suddenly launching rockets into space, funded by huge taxpayer subsidies, something only governments have previously done. Add in the neural net and all the other weird stuff he is in to, and it is at the very least VERY VERY strange and suspicious.

Inventing something is admirable. Steve Jobs was heavily involved with the invention of the iphone. Likewise Dean Kamen with the segway. How much does Elon Musk really understand about rockets, or batteries, or cars? Is he even an inventor? Who is he? Where did he come from?

His father produced an out of wedlock child with his own stepdaughter, who he raised from the age of 4.
His other siblings are well connected, placed on boards of corporations and such. It's all quite suspicious.

The whole celebrity of Musk (and people like Trump, Kanye West, Andrew Tate, etc.) is proof of how desperate we are for ANY type of leader, hero, or role model in our society. Even a Mr. Rogers or a Carl Sagan or someone we can look up to. There's just no one. The best I can come up with is Vlad Putin, who is only a leader for you if you are Russian. There are a few good spiritual figures to look up to, but as for political or societal leaders, we simply have nothing, in a world of 7 billion people.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Has Elon Musk ever exposed something that people didnt know already? We already knew the corruption of twitter, The digeneracy, The suppression of speech. Everything he is "exposing" has been known by everyone already. I implore you all to read or Reread the 1984 by George Orwell. The book explains completely this controlled oposition that you see.

Not really. But for some practical purposes there's a significant difference between observable patterns of behavior vs. having hard documentation as proof.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
My understanding was that a lot of people will be fooled, but that getting the mark of the beast is something you'll have full knowledge of.

Now that I'm thinking of that part of it more fully I can also guarantee it's not anyone you already hate that's the Antichrist. None of those people are widely beloved by any actual majority of people.

The mark of the beast means you cannot get sustenance by normal means as a Christian from any transactions aside from the black/grey markets using cash or supernatural means of sustenance.

Because we won't be able to buy or sell without said Mark. RFID implantable chips are precursors to that.
 
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infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Yes I believe this is the correct approach and I've also heard spiritual elders (I can't recall whom exactly) speak in this way about angelic visitations, that we shouldn't trust our senses if it happens and that God will reward our humility in those situations for resisting their pleas, even if it is one sent from God.

I've also heard one of the Saints mention, along similar lines, that one should not even dare to look at the antichrist when we suspect he has appeared. Simply looking at his face could be too much for us, and that it may tempt us beyond our strength. It's somewhat an extension of the advice given above.

When I first heard this, I found it hard to believe and a little sensational. Surely one cursory glance would just be a way of verifying whether or not this is the real antichrist? But after I had thought about it a while, this is similar advice for how we deal with the passions, especially lust, that we are told not to deal with the demons or passions directly, for they will surely overwhelm us, and that instead we should flee to Christ and ask him to defeat those passions for us.

If we consider the devil to be the author of evil and the primary force behind all sinful behaviour, then it makes sense that we should not directly look at the devil himself as antichrist, when we cannot even overcome simpler passions in our daily lives. It is a frightful thought to consider. The stronger our faith is in those days, and the more 'battle scars' we gain now in spiritual warfare, then the better off we'll be, if we ever do find ourselves in those dreadful times.

The devil is a distinct person from the AntiChrist. No indication that Satan actually incarnates in a human.
 

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
The devil is a distinct person from the AntiChrist. No indication that Satan actually incarnates in a human.
St. Lawrence of Chernigov said that Satan will possess the Antichrist when he is a 12-year-old boy. That is, if this video is correct. It's someone saying that he said this, not St. Lawrence himself.

 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
St. Lawrence of Chernigov said that Satan will possess the Antichrist when he is a 12-year-old boy. That is, if this video is correct. It's someone saying that he said this, not St. Lawrence himself.



I posted about this recently too, I believe it is genuine. Some of the details he reveals are quite explicit and while not everything the prophets and clairvoyant elders say comes to pass, at least it gives us a template of certain things we can expect in those final days.

The devil is a distinct person from the AntiChrist. No indication that Satan actually incarnates in a human.

Yes it's been confirmed in the prophecies of Orthodox saints also, that the devil will not become incarnate but will instead "possess" a human being (a Jewish man, to be more exact) as antichrist:


Unlike the Lord Jesus Who had the Holy Spirit descend upon Him to work with Him in His earthly ministry, the Antichrist will be possessed by the Devil himself, and will operate using the Devil’s own power (see 2 Thess. 2:9 and Rev. 13:2). St. John of Damascus points out in his quote (in his ExactExposition) that the Devil will NOT incarnate as a human. Only the Son of God became incarnate. Instead, the Devil will “take up his abode in him [the Antichrist].” In other words, the Devil will possess a man through the “strangeness of the choice that he would make” and will live in him, thereby making him to be the Antichrist.

This possession of the man who will become antichrist will certainly change his countenance and physical features, no doubt, so that at a later stage perhaps it may seem as though the devil is in the flesh. St Lawrence even mentions in his prophecy above that at the antichrist's coronation at the rebuilt Temple of Solomon, one of the Patriarchs present will notice a claw instead of a hand under the antichrists vestments, where he will exclaim publicly at the ceremony "He is Antichrist!", later losing his life for saying so.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Interesting that demons like to possess physical bodies. They probably have an addiction to the sensual experiences of being embodied that being pure Spirit doesn't have.

Perhaps being cut off from God makes them desire bodies as a substitute for what they lost.
 

Marta

Chicken
Woman
Orthodox
Where did you get this teaching from? Many Church Fathers say that even Orthodox will be fooled (if not most), so how can it be that everyone reading your message will know? This is a dangerous statement.

It would be proud for me to know that I will not be tricked. It will be harder to be deceived if I approach this humbly, that my flesh will crave what the Antichrist will offer, and to proceed under guidance from my spiritual elders.
In his book "Explanation of the Apocalypse, Fr Daniel Sysoev writes: "Saint Laurence of Chernigov opined that the antichrist will be crowned king by on Orthodox patriarch." He follows up with "but the Bible says nothing about this, thought neither can we dismiss this opinion."
 

Marta

Chicken
Woman
Orthodox
He named his poor infant son a combination of letters and numbers and calls him "X". Elon Musk is seriously messed up. No one should follow him for anything.

His actions exposing that the government was using Twitter for censorship purposes will help to destroy trust in the government, thus bringing about the civil disorder in the US that the "elites" ardently long for.

I doubt his actions are benevolent.

Edit to add: What he has done at Twitter also stokes anger on both sides of the political divide. Will likely contribute to civil disorder and violence.
A lot of real whistleblowers are already heavily throttled on twitter by musk. People believed Elon will bring free speech; imagine what the antichrist will offer, all wrapped up in promises to fix our addictions and problems. I believe this WILL be tricky for us all.
Elon and the files are as meaningless as Drump's "You'll be in jail." Unless God allows for them to go to jail and faucis to be arrested. And not "arrested" with open doors in prison like That One Who Didn't Kill Himself had. It almost feels like the flood has started and the cup of iniquity is almost full. Do you remember 10 years ago hearing about so much nonsense all.the.time? I don't remember if it was Abbess Makrina ... but she wrote about GOD expanding and shrinking time based on our sins.
It feels like something like that is at play.

As I look at Europe' collapse, especially Poland, I can see how God is giving people exactly what they want. Highways and discos instead of God, social quasi-virtues of acceptance instead of God and His courage to stand up, passionate worlds and big flag of EU on their roofs.
Jeremiah rings in my ears:
"14 And as for you, do not pray for this people, and do not beseech me about them with supplication and prayer, because I will not listen when (a) they invoke me in the time of their affliction."
(a) Lit. “in the time in which”
Rick Brannan, Ken M. Penner et al., The Lexham English Septuagint, Second Edition. (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020), Je 11:14.

Loud in my ears.
 
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