Who here makes $50,000 or less and how do you budget?

22qwert22

Pigeon
I am thinking about switching work. However; I have a couple things going for me here.

1: this current work place is a 10 minute drive my house.
2: 8:30 to 4:30. I can get home by 5: eat, watch some thing, Go to the gym. Practice 1 hobby and sleep by 11:
3: Relatively okay workload. Some days I browse rooshv/reddit

How much would you pay a for a 10 minute commute?
I still have student loans.
If I am going to change jobs I want to do something interesting and not stare at computer screens doing data analysis for 8 hours aday as I am currently doing.
Maybe some sort of political position regarding developments, economics etc etc.

But I dont know much about whats out there; most of my buddies are obsessed with machine learning and AI. But at the end of the day they still will be working infront of a computer for someone I want to develop skills that will help me run something of my own even if its less money.

Feel free to share your ideas or career paths.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
It’s easy to live well on a relatively low salary if you aren’t materialistic, aren’t comparing yourself or your possessions to other people and what they have, and set up a lifestyle that allows you to pursue your hobbies. That last part can be either through clever use of scheduling or finding a job with tons of unsupervised free time, in which case you’re essentially being paid to read, write, watch movies, or whatever else you’d otherwise be doing anyway. For example, I once worked a graveyard shift job in which about 6.5 of the 8 hour shift was basically uninterrupted free time. Granted I had to stay up til 7am and it was a very weird schedule, but everything has pros and cons.
 

AneroidOcean

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I've made less than $50k/year enough years in the past. I live in an area with a relatively high cost of living. My cost of living is fairly low even now.

I live by the beach in an older place which keeps my expenses low but I do have to spend more time fixing things and sorting things out. The location is phenomenal which leads to:

I rent out my spare bedroom (and sometimes my whole place when traveling for business/work) on a short-term basis which requires a bit more work/effort but allows me to subsidize a significant portion of my housing expenses and lets me live alone much of the time. Some months I subsidize 75% of my housing costs, some months I make money after paying all my housing expenses this way.

Sometimes when I would travel for work or pleasure and someone would want my place when I was scheduled to be there, I'd just pack more clothes and go visit friends staying on their couches or sometimes spare bedrooms. I had the added benefit of spending close time with good friends while still being able to accept a longer booking that would knock a bunch of my monthly housing expense down. Win, win.

I buy food/household goods at a local club/warehouse type store and pay for all household goods through my short term rental business so those are all paid for with pre-tax dollars and I net less "profit" lowering my tax exposure on my overall income. I prepare/cook food at home (sometimes more of the time, sometimes less) and when I do go out I try to make it places where there's a happy hour or other discount/promotion I can apply, or I frequent the place enough that I get hooked up. This means even when I go out my expenses are 25-50% off. I buy my produce at a local farmer's market letting me get better quality, fresher/longer lasting produce, at a reasonable price within walking distance of my place.

I don't have TV (although I have in the past). I take advantage of promotions or call and ask to get my bill lowered on all my monthly expenses. My car is older, simple, and very cheap to maintain/buy parts for. It gets excellent gas mileage especially for the operating costs/age.

My hobbies are both good for my health (involve significant exercise) and have very minimal recurring costs.

I don't buy toys, I buy tools. Assets, not liabilities.

My clothes come mostly from heavily discounted sales or solid finds at budget stores that get the imperceptably "wrong" versions of higher end/quality brands. I don't care that I'm in there shopping with people who many would consider poor. Nobody I know has ever realized this is where I shop unless I tell them. It takes a little more time, but not really any more time than I would spend finding items elsewhere.

If I buy expensive clothing it's clothing that serves an important purpose other than flash/having name brands. Recently I had to replace a lost jacket and paid probably 4-5 times the price of my previous one. The fit is nearly perfect, it's a high quality brand, liquid spills fall right off of it, and I get complimented on it all the time (and women amazingly enough approach me when I wear it). A high quality suit I'll spend money on as it's a business/impression tool that if taken care of lasts a long time.

I repair or repurpose items wherever I can. I shop on Craigslist for things I want at a fraction of the cost of a new item. Many years ago I furnished my whole place with second-hand items. I still do this despite being able to buy new items off the shelf. I'd rather someone else take the big hit up front especially with things like a table that if in good condition doesn't wear out really.

Keeping my recurring expenses low was the most effective way to live within my means, but just flat out saying no to complete wastes of money like eating out all the time and buying $5 coffees that cost $0.10 to make was a big factor as well.

My "splurge" was to spend $1 on a coffee by bringing in my own mug for a "refill" to give you an idea.

Many people would think this is restrictive and lowers your quality of life. If your outlook is right this is not true. I was far happier making less but spending far less than my friends. I never had to worry about being in debt, nor about having an unexpected expense come up. Many people would look weird at me for tipping "too much" yet those same people would end up with a far larger bill than I did. Often when going out, I'd invite others over and serve them up drinks out of my bar, but when we'd go out I wouldn't pay for a single round, so $15-20 in hosting the pre-party would save me $35-40 over the course of the night (or more).

If you're doing the opposite of what society at large and the media/hollywood is telling you is normal, you're probably on the right path.
 

kel

 
Banned
Don't pay interest. That's the number one bit of advice for anything. Carrying debt is the worst thing you can do. Perhaps an exception can be made for a mortgage, but even then you should be scrimping and saving and paying more than the minimum to pay that debt off as quickly as possible. And if you live on credit cards and are making the minimum payment you're toast, you'll never make it.

Get as much advice as you can, every tip and trick helps, but no matter what remember:

Do
not
pay
interest
 

EndlessGravity

Pelican
Protestant
Family with kids and we spend no more than $25k a year in a decent part of town. We also save and invest the rest. People really underestimate how cheaply you can live without anyone knowing the difference.
 

Aizen

Kingfisher
Orthodox
It’s possible and very feasible to live on less than $50k, which the vast majority of the world does by default. It’s only soyboys and dumb roasties who frivolously spend money on the latest tech, the newest restaurant; ___ insert trendy thing here. They do this because they generally lack a spiritual compass and don’t practice any meaningful hobbies. Outside of housing costs, food, and the occasional trip, what the heck else could one possibly need?

I’ve seen people in Mexico that makes peanuts and are happier than most liberals in NY making over $100k. It’s only when you’re plugged into the consumer matrix that your expenses tend to outpace your income. It’s wise to be accumulating resources for a rainy day, but spending like a drunken sailor (or a soyed out lib) is likely to lead to constant financial insecurity and existential misery. Again, most of the world lives on less than $50k, so it mustn’t be too hard to figure out.
 

ginsu

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Some perspective for the americans on european wage situation. Just multiply the numbers by 12x. It says that you have to keep in mind looking at these numbers that more than 50% earns below the stated number as its the average of low to high end earners. As you can see most europeans cant even dream of earning 50k a year.

 
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cosine

Woodpecker
Some perspective for the americans on european wage situation. Just multiply the numbers by 12x. It says that you have to keep in mind looking at these numbers that more than 50% earns below the stated number as its the average of low to high end earners. As you can see most europeans cant even dream of earning 50k a year.

And that's for full-time employees. The Italian grandmother who works in the ice cream shop 15 hours a week isn't included.

The US has so much opportunity; I started my professional life working for $15/hour and commuting an hour each way because it was a good work environment/experience but the office was in a lousy town.
Even once I bumped up to $40k salaried, I felt trapped by making so little. I felt like if I lost my job I would be screwed. But that's around the cutoff for purple/rich countries on that map, and I don't have a family to support.

At least the Europeans have perfected tiny/efficient living spaces.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
Some perspective for the americans on european wage situation. Just multiply the numbers by 12x. It says that you have to keep in mind looking at these numbers that more than 50% earns below the stated number as its the average of low to high end earners. As you can see most europeans cant even dream of earning 50k a year.



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