Why are Men so disorganized in fight vs feminism?

[CleanSlate]

I checked out the antifeminism tag on twitter, and I am actually surprised to see how many people, men and women alike. Some of the comments I see from females show that they feel feminism abandoned them after giving them the rights to vote and obtain equal opportunity employment. That's a pretty hopeful sign. Still, if feminism is supported by mass media and the government, it's too big and powerful.

Keep getting rejected by women? Maybe they can sense that you're not doing it out of love and respect, you're doing it for the "notch."

Hmm. This sounds a little blue pill to me. I'm not going to associate love and women for at least a while, lest I fall back into blue pill habits that fucked me over and nuked 5 years of my life - and it could have been much, much worse had my soon-to-be-ex wife and I pooped out a kid or two.

We do hold ourselves accountable, that's what the Game, Newbie, and Lifestyle subforums here are for. But we did not make the anti-male laws that exist today, nor did we create a politically correct sphere where anyone steps out of the party line gets in trouble. We might have "let it happen" as a collective, but since it's been happening over a hundred years or longer, I think it's a case of where we were the frog and they slowly heat up the water so we don't notice it's boiling now.

 

[CJ_W]

but wonder why we aren't fighting back as a single cohesive voice. Maybe I'm missing something?

Because the feminism thing will correct itself eventually. So there's no reason to "fight" anything. It's really good enough to educate men to know the truth about women.

We all know that for the most part feminism is for old and ugly, fat women. Attractive women actually usually hate feminism, EVEN if they SAY the like it, most are just doing the motions.

But anyway my point stands, that the end of Feminism will happen eventually. The face that a lot of men are waking up, getting their shit together and leaving western women behind is a way of fighting back I suppose, but really it's just a natural progression.

It's simple biology, Women want dominant, strong confident men, and these men want feminine sexy, young, loyal, subservient women .

That's not ever going to change. This is why "Enjoy the decline" matters. You can't fight the hordes of old mains,white knights who are fighting against nature. . .You also can't really fight against nature anyway, and since nature is on our side, all we need to do is Follow it - (i.e. bang sexy young feminine women, ignore the rest) nature WILL do its job. Sooner or later feminists will be weeded out of society, either through enough fuck ups of their own, or through simple natural selection, Once enough men get tired of Feminism, they'll naturally stop associating with that, denying feminists children which will kill them off naturally.

Also usually, when you try and "fight" something, you usually always make the something you fight against bigger. It's much better to simply focus moving TOWARDS and CREATING something you would like. . .for example, creating a better life for yourself.

Are you happy with how your life is right now? I don't think you are or else you wouldn't have even thought of making this thread.

Regardless of who you think is at fault for you not being where you want to be in your life, YOU are the only person who is present in ALL of those situations that led you up to this point, in other words, the only person responsible for where you are NOW is YOU. So, you really should be focused on you and your life, rather than worrying about trying to "fight" something that's not going anywhere in your lifetime.

Luckily, you've found the right place, the RvF forums, you should browse around and lurk in the lifestyle, game, and travel sections(again if you were really applying the things that the forum offers, you wouldn't even need to make this thread) learn something and try to better your life. Worrying about feminism, "decay of the west" or whatever is not really going to improve your life to where you want to be, no matter how much money you make, what car you drive, and where you've been, there's STILL something you can improve. . .Hell, Look at the posts by Skip's Steps, he has it all except game, yet even HE couldn't hack it game wise, he was getting is his own way.

Teach yourself to get out of your own way, sure its not bad to be versed on what's going on with the social climate of the west, but other than that, there's no point in wasting time "fighting" against something that is dying anyway, as opposed to creating something that will benefit you in every way.

Focus on you, that's the main priority, and the priority of the forum.

 

[CleanSlate]

Are you happy with how your life is right now? I don't think you are or else you wouldn't have even thought of making this thread.

No, but I'm working on it

 

[davyjose]

Why are men so disorganised? Do you mean "red-pill" men or just men in general?

Well if it's men in general we haven't a hope, so long as the thirst is strong.

There's a Bill Burr clip where he explains how women get away with murder from men which goes something like, "women say and do anything they want, and men don't correct them - 'cos they want to fuck them"

That's something that hit home earlier today when I was scrolling through my Facebook feed, reading the comments from both men and women alike on "International Women's Day."

Aside from the cancer-inducing "you go girl-ism" (one strong, empowered woman was quick to remind all unsundry that women have achieved just as much as men, 'cos, emmm.. there once were 3 female inventors who invented things like the windscreen wiper, amongst other farcical bullshit), it was the slobbering simping I witnessed that was particularly sickening.

Twas a plethora of manginas, pussy beggars and white knights crawling out of the woodwork like termites to wish all those poor special snowflakes a day of rest, comfort and relaxation, all jostling for position to wish all those fine ladies out there the very best of everything.

Of course never would it cross those "equality" driven idiots that the actual fact we have a day exclusively devoted to one sex (not counting Valentines Day, which really is Women's Day Pt.1), means we've long since gone beyond the point of equality and are firmly ensconced in an out and out gynocracy.

So it doesn't look good, to be honest. The thirst is rising daily like the mercury in Death Valley at high noon, and it shows no signs of easing.

And with that, is any hope that men en-masse will do anything to stop or organise against feminism.

P.S. Feeling bored today? Well, here's how YOU can do your bit for feminism, and celebrate International Pussyworship Day!

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/celebrate-international-womens-day-1979603-Mar2015/

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

P.S. Feeling bored today? Well, here's how YOU can do your bit for feminism, and celebrate International Pussyworship Day!

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/celebrate-international-womens-day-1979603-Mar2015/

International Woman's Day was a Marxist invention which proves my point. The funny part is that the West adopted the day equal to the communists, because it fit their agenda as well:

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What is the major difference to today's message by Google?

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None - a woman is to be a worker, a keg in the corporate and state complex. Fuck being a mother, a partner to her man - and God forbid an object of femininity or sex. According to the state as much as to corporations she is to be a slave wage - one that frankly modern economies could almost do without. We could fire most women within 2 years in all developed countries and likely the world would be more prosperous.

 

[It_is_my_time]

P.S. Feeling bored today? Well, here's how YOU can do your bit for feminism, and celebrate International Pussyworship Day!

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/celebrate-international-womens-day-1979603-Mar2015/

International Woman's Day was a Marxist invention which proves my point. The funny part is that the West adopted the day equal to the communists, because it fit their agenda as well:



What is the major difference to today's message by Google?



None - a woman is to be a worker, a keg in the corporate and state complex. Fuck being a mother, a partner to her man - and God forbid an object of femininity or sex. According to the state as much as to corporations she is to be a slave wage - one that frankly modern economies could almost do without. We could fire most women within 2 years in all developed countries and likely the world would be more prosperous.

Exactly. Women in the work place today is a huge negative impact on our economy. But the point of having women working isn't to help the economy. It is to help destroy the middle class. You have a whole slew of benefits for the wealthy elites with women working...

#1) More unfulfilled adults who spend their paycheck on mindless junk for temporary happiness. Rather than buying up land, houses, stocks, building wealth, the people are throwing their money away making them poorer and weaker.

#2) Population control. Our should be mothers are not having kids, they are pushing paper around some giant bureaucracy. Technology and giving men a fair chance at life, rather than quotas, could replace most female workers.

#3) Women are good little slaves. They don't question authority or stand up for themselves. They just look for the easy way out and will vote for who ever they think will give it to them. Single moms and ugly women vote liberal so they can get money from the govt. they can't get from a husband. Married women often vote conservative so it keeps more of their husband's paycheck.

 

[Truth Teller]

Keep getting rejected by women? Maybe they can sense that you're not doing it out of love and respect, you're doing it for the "notch."

Hmm. This sounds a little blue pill to me. I'm not going to associate love and women for at least a while, lest I fall back into blue pill habits that fucked me over and nuked 5 years of my life - and it could have been much, much worse had my soon-to-be-ex wife and I pooped out a kid or two.

We do hold ourselves accountable, that's what the Game, Newbie, and Lifestyle subforums here are for. But we did not make the anti-male laws that exist today, nor did we create a politically correct sphere where anyone steps out of the party line gets in trouble. We might have "let it happen" as a collective, but since it's been happening over a hundred years or longer, I think it's a case of where we were the frog and they slowly heat up the water so we don't notice it's boiling now.

A lot of us would like to think that we hold ourselves accountable. We don't. We'll blame someone else for something. Hell, look at how most English speakers will refer to emotions. "This made me angry," or something like that. That's victimhood. We need to root that out.

That mindset is actually far more powerful than you think. There's a difference between being a bitch boy and having fundamental love and respect for women. Most men never recognize that, and fluctuate between doormat and narcissist. I'm talking about love in the context of strength. Do you love feminine energy, essence, and how women will make themselves vulnerable to you? I'm not saying to take shit or have a weak frame (I hate the idea of frame, but that has its own topic).

Or, do you see women as inherently inferior, and game/seduction/whatever as a battle to be won? Do you buy into most of the Roissy terminology? Do you "do it for the notch?" These are problematic mindsets, and unfortunately, they run rampant in the manosphere.

 

[AntiTrace]

because feminism is a joke.

 

[Phoenix]

I read what Zel said and it turns out to be completely true according to wikipedia. International Womens day was not only invented by the socialists, but 1917 women's day demonstrations precipitated the 1917s revolutions. They don't teach you that in school.

 

[Sonsowey]

Speaking of organizing, there is a hashtag trending now: #IfWomenRuledTheWorld

 

[Suits]

OP's question assumes that men who ascribe to the belief that feminism is a dark evil also have other things in common. This isn't necessarily the case.

I've met over a dozen forum members and as it turns out, we have had a lot in common. I've also met members of the MRA community and MGTOW bloggers and we've had much less in common.

However, even within the high quality community that is RVF, members still can't resist threads like this one.

Even when these political/race related threads have a history of causing more harm than good in our community and frequently result in sanctions because sometimes members can't help but cross the line, these threads keep popping up.

Men will be able to organize together against feminism when they decide that achieving certain community goals is worthwhile, even if it means sacrificing some of our individual goals to get there.

 

[sixsix]

We've all fallen for this perfect implementation of Divide & Conquer.

Men aren't organized into a movement, because we're not a homogenous group with identical interests. Men's primary competition is other men, just as women compete with other women where it matters most for any member of a sexual species: finding the best mate.

Women have not organized into Feminism.
While that's how they present it, feminism is a movement made up by certain types of both women and men. Most normal women want and need a good man. The movement says they speak for all women and is fronted by women, but that is mere theatre.

Why are all these women given a platform? Remember that most of these platforms, e.g. television and internet companies, are owned by men. Manosphere writers are not allowed any publication space there while feminists are. The men behind the scenes, deciding these women get a voice, are more important members of the feminists movement than the female typists we see.

Women as a class do not benefit from feminism. Some of them do: lesbians that see feminism as a strategy to increase their sexual market value, young typists looking for a pay check, bitter women with quickly fading looks with an axe to grind.

Still, most women that are harmed by it do not publicly renounce the movement. They have bought the divide-and-conquer lies about men oppressing them; it's what their peers do and it signals being in-group; they don't care about politics. Most girls I know are definitely not feminists.

Similarly, men as a class are not harmed by feminism.
Most are, but especially men with a lot of power gain immensely from it. Lowering social cohesion increases economic dependence and political power. It sells advertisements and buys votes.

In addition, men that are consciously against it are silenced. Criticism against the political movement is labeled hateful misogyny by equating it with criticism against women. (I am against feminism because I love women.) Platforms are inaccessible to dissidents and vocal men can and do lose their livelihoods.

Feminism is great for the top men.
Players of today are empowered beyond belief - amusingly enraging feminists. Men aren't organized against feminism because they leaders among them have never had it this easy. Any guy getting dozens of notches per year without any real effort (e.g. getting a job) is not siding with the guys that are forced into celibacy. And when the winners don't organize, the losers are left to whine on MRA forums.

Crying women are helped by everyone, even when they're wrong. A natural instinct.
Crying men are ridiculed, even when they're right. Also a natural instinct.
It's almost as if feminism is made possible by sexist, patriarchal norms. Color me surprised.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Feminism is great for the top men.
Players of today are empowered beyond belief - amusingly enraging feminists. Men aren't organized against feminism because they leaders among them have never had it this easy. Any guy getting dozens of notches per year without any real effort (e.g. getting a job) is not siding with the guys that are forced into celibacy. And when the winners don't organize, the losers are left to whine on MRA forums.

Crying women are helped by everyone, even when they're wrong. A natural instinct.
Crying men are ridiculed, even when they're right. Also a natural instinct.
It's almost as if feminism is made possible by sexist, patriarchal norms. Color me surprised.

Good stuff - Doublesix.

 

[Troll King]

Actually, we have come a long way since just four or so years ago when I really took the red pill. Even more going back double that time. When I was first reading around in the manosphere and the feminisphere feminist blogs got a lot of attention. Blogs like Feministing and Feministe would get dozens if not hundreds of comments on each article they posted. With Feministing Jessica Valenti got pregnant and almost died due to being a mid thirties ex-slut. Then she passed the rains of the site to her younger sister. I believe about that time they hired some men to update their site and required new registration or something. Either way, that place, while still posting a lot of content, is a fucking ghost town. I check it every couple of months and you can click through dozens of pages without finding a single comment. I don't know what their ranking is, perhaps it is still being read as much as before but either way no one is commenting.

The same is largely true of Feministe. That Jill Filipovic chick is a lawyer, and somewhat bangable by feminist standars, and wrote a post years ago, before disappearing, about how she had a nervous breakdown and started having her hair fall out and shit all over trying to work as a young lawyer in new York and the hours she had to put into it. I think she left law, lol just more proof of what we say about women in masculine fields not being able to handle it, and started some wine business or something. Last I heard she is barely scraping by while paying off her huge student loan debt. Either way, she hasn't posted on her own site in god knows how long. When I first started reading feministe she would get hundreds of women promoting their own blogs on the Sunday link share posts. I just checked and she has 11 as of the last link sharing post. She used to get hundreds of comments on each article and now is lucky to get more than 2 or 3.

Now, these are just two blogs but they used to be some of the bigger ones. You still have people like Amanda Marcotte but even she seems to be staying away from some of the bigger issues that she used to get raked over the coals about. I guess you have Manbooz and Shit Reddit Says but they seem to have done more for the Manosphere than anyone. Reddit used to be full of white knights who were somewhat feminist or at least egalitarian. Now, even if they don't like TRP, they are leaning much more in the anti-feminist camp even if they won't get shocked out of their victim mentality or equalist disposition.

I see all of this as a win. Gen Y guys, even with all their problems, seem to be waking up to feminism in their own way.