Why are women so adamantly against male self-improvement.
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Solipsism.
When they see you improving yourself, you're creating awareness of their own personal stagnation, which makes them uncomfortable.
To remove the discomfort, they would have to similarly improve themselves, which takes hard work and effort, so they spin the hamster wheel to find an easier resolution.
The result: they criticise you to try to train you to see improving yourself as a bad thing so you stop, which removes their source of discomfort, which is all they care about. Not you, or your happiness.
When you recognise petty, toxic people like this, minimise their involvement in your life.
When they see you improving yourself, you're creating awareness of their own personal stagnation, which makes them uncomfortable.
To remove the discomfort, they would have to similarly improve themselves, which takes hard work and effort, so they spin the hamster wheel to find an easier resolution.
The result: they criticise you to try to train you to see improving yourself as a bad thing so you stop, which removes their source of discomfort, which is all they care about. Not you, or your happiness.
When you recognise petty, toxic people like this, minimise their involvement in your life.
Foolsgo1d
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I would say the only women who are against a mans self improvement did not like him in the first place. I remember some female co-workers taking an interest as to why I started to go to the gym after 6-7 months but because I did not aspire to "like" them I was seen as vain and "just a typical guy!.
If she likes you then her bitch shields wont go up as strong. Unless you know you are going to be rid of her then thats a whole different thing.
If she likes you then her bitch shields wont go up as strong. Unless you know you are going to be rid of her then thats a whole different thing.
Ziltoid said:
Because self-improvement is associated with egotism and the feminine principal says there should be not egotism in the world. To self- improve is to set yourself apart from the others.
There's a lot of good posts here already. If I were to put into words also it would be like this.
Masculine - Identity is the real, separate from the others, and it's ok to be better than them (an ego).
Feminine - Identity is not the real. Collectiveness and wholeness are, and there should be no self-interest (egotism) in the world.
When women see a man acting out of self-interest (bettering himself) they see it as egotism. I always laugh when they say they want a man who is driven, ambitious, and takes charge, but at the same time they don't want him to be a self-interested person (an ego)
What they want is contradictory. They initially are attracted and fall in love with his masculinity but later try to change it and make him subscribe to the feminine vision of how things should be.
It's just the women in western societies, where everyone is selfish and live for themselves. Whatever you gain, you take it from another person, because we're all in competition.
Foreign women actually push you to improve because they think they will benefit from it in the long run.
Foreign women actually push you to improve because they think they will benefit from it in the long run.
funkyzeit
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Becoming a better man means she has to become a better woman to keep you. And since their best asset is looks, they know that at their prime they can do very little to improve themselves since they hit their max. They want to keep your balls in their possession so anything that sabotages that is attacked and shamed.
Hmmm, depends on the woman. My mother is sort of the one who got me into game and self improvement. I was complaining about how lame a lot of girls are and she said to me, "fortis, you need to work on your game."
Lol. When your mom says you need game, then you know it's true. She's also buying us tickets to see tony Robbins at some point in the future.
But as to other women: I think you guys covered it when you said that a lot of female value is genetically determined.
Lol. When your mom says you need game, then you know it's true. She's also buying us tickets to see tony Robbins at some point in the future.
But as to other women: I think you guys covered it when you said that a lot of female value is genetically determined.
Solus
Robin
It's not just women who are against self improvement.
Go on, start working out or learning game. See how many of your so called male "friends" support you doing so and how many passive aggressively scoff at the idea.
(I understand that after taking the red pill the aim is to surround yourself with like minded winners but for those just starting out I can't have been the only one who experienced this)
Go on, start working out or learning game. See how many of your so called male "friends" support you doing so and how many passive aggressively scoff at the idea.
(I understand that after taking the red pill the aim is to surround yourself with like minded winners but for those just starting out I can't have been the only one who experienced this)
I agree with some of the posters above that some women do try to support your advancement.
FSU girls that I've dated have often kind of pushed me to improve further. I never actually take their "advice" directly, or I lie and say I had already been doing it, to maintain hand, but there is nothing like feedback from an attractive woman to spur you into action.
But yes, some insecure western girls discourage you from improving beyond their reach, but it really depends on their own insecurities.
I actually think it is more related to the level of insecurities the woman has than whether she is Western or not.
FSU girls that I've dated have often kind of pushed me to improve further. I never actually take their "advice" directly, or I lie and say I had already been doing it, to maintain hand, but there is nothing like feedback from an attractive woman to spur you into action.
But yes, some insecure western girls discourage you from improving beyond their reach, but it really depends on their own insecurities.
I actually think it is more related to the level of insecurities the woman has than whether she is Western or not.
They really aren't, provided it's a narrow scope of self-improvement.
For the sake of improving himself, it's fine for a man to be aspire to be educated, career-minded, or involved in his community, etc.
What they don't like, is when guys care about improving their looks, physique, attitude, style.
For the sake of improving himself, it's fine for a man to be aspire to be educated, career-minded, or involved in his community, etc.
What they don't like, is when guys care about improving their looks, physique, attitude, style.
Pantheon Dweller
Sparrow
AnonymousBosch said:
Exactly !
I wrote about it two weeks ago :
And that's for most people, if the person trying to hinder your improvement is a girl you're dating there's one more process, she thinks (and is probably right) that since you already got her, you aren't improving for her but for other girls, she thinks that you might want to trade up.
Pantheon Dweller said:
Exactly. It's not unique to women.
I was talking to another actor about how the average person seem to passive-aggressively hate successful people, which is why I've never mentioned my music or acting gig at my place of work.
He put it beautifully, something like this:
"So: you're in your train, waiting at the station, looking out the window at the train parked next to you. You make uncomfortable eye contact with a person in the next carriage, who looks as bored and impatient as you're feeling. Then suddenly you hear a hiss of brakes and a clunk, and there's that sensation of movement, and for a few moments you can't exactly tell which train is moving. Is it theirs, or yours? Then it finally becomes clear - it's the other train, and you see that look of relief on the other passengers face as it speeds away from you, leaving you sitting there, slightly-pissed off, with the sense it should have been YOUR train."
This resentment will *always* exist, so you have to have the personality skills to negate it, or society will conspire to cut you down. A while back I was discussing how I found Jennifer Lawrence's 'clumsiness' affected performance and that her 'fat positive' and 'all women are beautiful' statements seemed at odds with her figure and photoshopped pictures. She's just using psychological tactics to win over women to keep her a bankable movie star: Actor Game.
Pantheon Dweller
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AnonymousBosch said:
The train analogy represent very well most people mind scheme, they see the result (you becoming successful) and think it's unfair they don't enjoy the same result, they don't take into account the hard work you put in it, for them it depends on luck, like for the train.
AnonymousBosch said:
I've witnessed it too, I've been astonished to see people resented me for investing my extra money instead of buying more stuff.
It is a sad day when we have to hide progress.
I have noticed some women will subtly go to war with these efforts. Watch this as a major red flag. You want to eat better and get healthy and get a gift of some old habit foods.
Imagine the most despicable in terms of character most utterly inept human male changing to become the best of the best in morality and competence and rising to become the most powerful men in the history of the earth.
Imagine what people remember you as but you being utterly different. Someone they kick around now becomes their superior. How would they think?
Imagine what people remember you as but you being utterly different. Someone they kick around now becomes their superior. How would they think?
Answer: It's because when a man improves himself, he has more options, and she fears competition from other women, especially from the hot 18-year-old chick next door who is an adult, and not a 21-year-old "child".
This is mostly a feminist-SJW-Western thing though...Many other women will be happy to have an ambitious man...It's mainly the empowered women who feel intimidated by their man looking more appealing for the ladies on the street.
This is mostly a feminist-SJW-Western thing though...Many other women will be happy to have an ambitious man...It's mainly the empowered women who feel intimidated by their man looking more appealing for the ladies on the street.
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