Why are Women Willingly Choosing Soyboys?

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I have heard this is particularly bad in Germany.

Coming from a small town - that naturally equates to most of the intelligent half being strip mined off to university - and you don't really see much of this insanity here.

I am aware of one story that had an addendum a few days ago. 35yo guy with university debt, makes less than minimum wage. Comes from a upperish-middle-class family, but mum is a terror. She once bragged to her son's friends how she was having an affair with a much younger man, whom she was running off with. Dad was a door-mat, though he did slip in an affair of his own. He ended up in a relationship with a girl and he describes how he met her as just lying down on the floor and waiting for pollen to land on him, i.e. he was totally passive. An astute friend realised she had tried to have children before, as she went straight to IVF. The 'husband' knows nothing of this. The guy is utterly clueless and releases the most embarrassing aspects of his relationship without realising how they are perceived. After being with her for six months he suggested he could get her pregnant to lock her down. The 'wife' is often in bad moods for weeks on end and he dare not say anything that would displease her. They have one IVF baby, who already looks like a low-level demon. One of the biggest clangers he has let drop is the wife wants to try for another child. He complained that he doesn't know why they can't at least try for one by normal means - he is stuck in a sexless relationship - there only as a sperm donor/punching bag. He let off another clanger recently. He was ill one day and the wife instantly packed up the sprog and left for other accommodation. He was so ill for the next two days he could not answer his phone. She said she thought he had died, but didn't bother to go and check.

This sounds like an extreme case, but seems more guys are just letting themselves be nothing and ending up like this. I don't know how much of it is desperation for conjugal access and how much it is to do with emotions. Give the amount of these guys who appear to be without the former, you would think it makes no sense.

It makes no sense to me, how they could accept such relations. But when you see the bubbling up of such relationships into open society, you realise these people are so utterly clueless as to social dynamics and self-improvement that they don't see much wrong with it. The bar for male behaviour is being deliberately pushed down and anyone who wants to stand out is at risk for the soycialists.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
It's very common to refer to wives as SWMBO (she who must be obeyed). These are not soy boys, yet they allowed their women to get and retain dominance.
They get into your head, thank goodness I am free again. Was never quite that bad but I will probably never live with a woman again more than short term for fear of falling back into something like that.

The 'wife' is often in bad moods for weeks on end and he dare not say anything that would displease her.
What misery, shall we observe a minutes silence for a brother..
 
I think it's partly because sexual/romantic relationships can only arise in the presence of a polarity. As cliché and trite a saying it is, opposites attract.

We're in a situation nowadays where some women are more masculine than the men they're partnered with. So there IS a polarity - between an unnaturally masculine woman and an unnaturally feminine man. But this polarity does not necessarily make for long-term happiness and fulfillment.

While a highly masculine woman can be attracted to a highly feminine man - like magnets are drawn to each other - I think said women are disgusted with their partners on a deeper, unconscious level. Hence the anecdotes about such men being abused and treated like doormats. This state of affairs makes no sense from the perspective of our biology; it's a completely aberrant and unhealthy inversion of the natural scheme of things.
 
We live in a time where a woman doesn't need to rely on the direct protection of her husband, so there is less drive to find a masculine man. Additionally, I think a lot of women make the mistake of thinking they want a man who is similar to them so they can relate to each other, hence the soyboys. This is similar to how many men, including my past self, make the mistake of thinking they want a tomboy gf so they can have more in common, not understanding how relationship polarity works.
 
I see this a lot It's everywhere on TV too. Hipster glasses tall skinny soyboy with his video games mostly young white males but really applies to anyone who grew up in the west from this generation. They all have this nasally way of speaking and throwing the lamest pc jokes they act like gay men with their mannerism. I am not sure if they produce testosterones like legit even castrates dont act like this.
 

Feyoder

Kingfisher
Everyone I've known to use this term was a white westerner with a Filipina wife--always assumed it was some sort of common terminology among ex-pats there.

The cringe is actually painful. Pathetic.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the obvious: alpha sex outside marriage, beta bux.

This is the natural, wrong and chaotic impulse of the disordered female mind. Heck, I've seen it myself countless times in my own life (unfortunately before I woke up).
 

MKE-Ed

Robin
I see this a lot It's everywhere on TV too. Hipster glasses tall skinny soyboy with his video games mostly young white males but really applies to anyone who grew up in the west from this generation. They all have this nasally way of speaking and throwing the lamest pc jokes they act like gay men with their mannerism. I am not sure if they produce testosterones like legit even castrates dont act like this.
Another thing about that generation is that if you say anything critical about women or joke about them, these guys get very offended very easily. I suspect that this is due to the fact that a high percentage of these guys were either raised by a single mother or If they had a father he was a real weakling that was completely dominated by his wife.
 
Man, I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is about "cheating on me is part of her identity" but it's unmitigated, next level cringe.

Maybe it's because everything is about "identity" nowadays - everyone and his dog uses it as an excuse to get offended, marginalise other identity groups, and justify the silliest of things. It's often merely an excuse to permit and/or succumb to the worst of impulses "because that's just the way I am/he is/she is."

Or perhaps the off-the-scale cringe level is because this is a self-deceptive rationalisation used to feel better about the grim reality of this situation, when a better response would be to nope the hell out of there! It seems to be just an excuse to turn a blind eye to something which is, quite frankly, horrifying to anyone with even a shred of self-respect or masculinity.

I really hope this guy wakes up and takes the steps necessary to reclaim his masculine power ASAP.
 

srd

Pigeon
Fifty years ago, women loved dating masculine assertive men and men (of course) loved being with the beautiful girl with long hair wearing a dress. Fast forward to today: women are not only dating soyboys, they are PREFFERING them in many cases. Not sure if this is especially true in the USA or the west coast, but it's happening in greater frequency. Traditionally women loved the confident man with a deep voice who could work with his hands: think Brad Pitt in fight club, Tom Brady, or Thor.

Many women now are choosing soyboy men with high pitched voices, feminine mannerisms, and with zero survival skills. At least in California it's not just low value women either; good looking women are going out with (or marrying) submissive men that would normally seem homosexual.

My thoughts:
1) Due to globohomo inversions (birth control, atrazine in water, hollywood brainwashing, feminism in college), women are becoming independent/manly and are now attracted to feminine men?
2) Women spend years of their youth dating the badboys, and being burnt out & feeling disgusted with themselves, pick the opposite as some sort of requital for their previous bad behavior? (ie: I had my fun - now time to settle down with a nice fatherly guy)
3) For LTR, women want a man they can dominate indefinitely while still reaping all the benefits of marriage (money, status, children) but doesn't respect her husband?

Anyone notice the same thing, or have thoughts on this?
Ive seen this trend too in Scotland, but I dont like the idea of you characterising 'confident men' as Brad Pitt or Tom Brady etc when these guys are tribespeople or cuck to people like Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein knowing who and what they are...these aren't role models for masculinity, just actors used in a system of social control ('Hollywood') and they benefit from being guys who get $$$ for not being the kind of man who speaks up about injustice or the kinds of sick people infested in Hollywood etc...Also note that the "Fight Club" novel was originally based in homoerotic sex...

As for women liking more 'unisex' men with less masculine traits, I see that here. I think a combination of things contribute to it, but mainly female hormones in the water from when they pee out contraceptives and then the males drink that shit even after the water is 'treated'/sterlised etc...and I think that in the 'female empowerment' culture, women become more masculine in a sense and thus seek out 'weaker' men to counterbalance this trait in themselves.

Yes I see good-looking women dating some really weak men in my humble opinion. But you are basing their value based on looks...the women may look good, some of them may even have 'high paying jobs'...but they are fundamentally all low-value women...I mean a lot of modern women dont act feminine, dont bear children (who would be the future of their society and their race), and even when they do have kids its with a super beta cuck guy just showing that they are low-value...will such kids even survive the next 40-60 years??? If we say women are valuable based on their looks then sure mabye a fair few are high value, but if we say that women have to 'behave like women have for the last 10,000 years+' then these women are just all low-value droids in a society where the goal is to get them to usurp their men economically before the men are sent down...permanently.......so they are not valuable, nor will they and their kids survive the coming decades....

Sadly, even the few men who 'act masculine' are compensating, being hyper-masculine or not truly respectable in some other way. At least the younger under 30/under 25 crowd are like this. The older guys are not like this so much, though they are far from being problem-free...I think the globe-western governments have destroyed masculinity and independent thought in they competition, ie caucasian men, and the global elites themselves are more prone to pedo and homosexuality than acting like men themselves, so pretty much all white looking men are a cucked, destroyed bunch of peoples, whatever race they are. This has definitely gotten worse over time and I would say caucasian men of the distant past, like the early to mid 1900s, acted like noble men, compared to the post-1950s adult generation. I mean, of course there are a few decent ones about, but they are like unicorns...more likely to find them in an expat community than locally. It doesn't help that in order to get pu$$y, the remaining caucasian European men sell themselves out in order to get it. And in the process becoming an ambassador for global killings, slavery and cucking themselves in various ways. Largely not their fault, but once its happened the guy is un-rehabilitable.

I gotta say that whilst globe-homogeneity is everywhere and no women are perfect, I largely respect and am attracted to caucasian looking women who hail from muslim countries such as Turkey, a few from Pakistan, other places etc...I also like European women but they are on a dark path, 10 years behind the UK/USA crowd. What I dont understand is that with the kind of men that even attractive women pick here, how are they going to survive another 20 years? I mean, its pretty obvious they're all going down, and in a really really bad way. But isn't human nature for females to pick the best males so the species can continue? Here its like that trend in reverse! I can't even say I'd be surprised or sympathetic when they go down, as there's so many people like this. It is not just whites, but many nonwhites too...but nonwhites in nonwhite countries act 'normal' and revert to gender specific behaviours. Yeah, so probably the hormones in the water and social engineering have counteracted 200,000 years of human development where pretty much all the people in 'caucasian' countries act like the guys from the film 'Idiocracy'...but western girls aren't 'quality' they're accelerating this trend. The few girls I note to be of quality in more recent years are the age 16 (legal in the UK) to perhaps very early 20s age group...even then a lot of girls in this age range are f*cked, no matter how good they look. I wouldn't want the future of humanity to be the offspring of pretty much all of the people who live here and not only will they have few offspring (as western birth rates are low anyways), but considering who the parents are and how low quality compared to previous generations the local males are, its obvious the kids and their parents will have no future.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
Man, I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is about "cheating on me is part of her identity" but it's unmitigated, next level cringe.

Maybe it's because everything is about "identity" nowadays - everyone and his dog uses it as an excuse to get offended, marginalise other identity groups, and justify the silliest of things. It's often merely an excuse to permit and/or succumb to the worst of impulses "because that's just the way I am/he is/she is."

Or perhaps the off-the-scale cringe level is because this is a self-deceptive rationalisation used to feel better about the grim reality of this situation, when a better response would be to nope the hell out of there! It seems to be just an excuse to turn a blind eye to something which is, quite frankly, horrifying to anyone with even a shred of self-respect or masculinity.

I really hope this guy wakes up and takes the steps necessary to reclaim his masculine power ASAP.
I know I've been doing things right when I read this and it makes me cringe, as you say, but sad and disgusted that it actually happens (if true).

Does such a "man" even have sex with his "wife" or is she just a friend? It's as pathetic as it is repulsive. And I'm only reading about it.
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
The question is self referential.
What you are asking is "Why are women not behaving the way which I expect or want them to"?
In other words, why are they behaving against the natural order?

The answer to the question is in the question itself. It is precisely because the natural order is subverted that the results are subverted.

Throughout the history of not just marriage, not just western civilization, but the sociology of all significant cultures, women were not given the authority to freely choose who to marry. This is not because men hate them, or because they are inferior, but because they judge poorly in these decisions, (not in small part because they are still emotionally and mentally mature at the time they become sexually mature and are making these decisions--in other words it is not a pure gender question, but also a chronological one but there are certainly gender components as well).

In a society where we have gone against all historical norms, and told women they can choose everything from what flavor latte she will drink to what fun job experience she will have to what man she will marry, (and when she will divorce him), it is totally expected that the mates selected would be poorer choices than under a traditional scenario where her family, or her community, or her religious group, selects and ratifies this union.

Why are women choosing soyboys?
is as valid a question as "Why do women wear crocs?" or
"Why do religious women get biblical tattoos?" or
"Why do women cut their hair short?" or
"Why do women use so much profanity today?"

There will be no logical, rational answer to these question. The reason they make what we perceive as "bad" decisions is simply because they now have the autonomy to do so. It logically follows from this freedom that they will, which is why they were never given said freedoms throughout any culture, ever, until about 100 years ago.
 

AngryBird

Pigeon
Fifty years ago, women loved dating masculine assertive men and men (of course) loved being with the beautiful girl with long hair wearing a dress. Fast forward to today: women are not only dating soyboys, they are PREFFERING them in many cases. Not sure if this is especially true in the USA or the west coast, but it's happening in greater frequency. Traditionally women loved the confident man with a deep voice who could work with his hands: think Brad Pitt in fight club, Tom Brady, or Thor.

Many women now are choosing soyboy men with high pitched voices, feminine mannerisms, and with zero survival skills. At least in California it's not just low value women either; good looking women are going out with (or marrying) submissive men that would normally seem homosexual.

My thoughts:
1) Due to globohomo inversions (birth control, atrazine in water, hollywood brainwashing, feminism in college), women are becoming independent/manly and are now attracted to feminine men?
2) Women spend years of their youth dating the badboys, and being burnt out & feeling disgusted with themselves, pick the opposite as some sort of requital for their previous bad behavior? (ie: I had my fun - now time to settle down with a nice fatherly guy)
3) For LTR, women want a man they can dominate indefinitely while still reaping all the benefits of marriage (money, status, children) but doesn't respect her husband?

Anyone notice the same thing, or have thoughts on this?

White males have a very high value in California. Most Soy white males marry Asian women. I was on a date once long ago, and we were the only white male/white female couple in the entire restaurant.

White males have way more sexual options (I don't consider them good options...extinction is not a good option) in a multicultural society so women of all races compete for whatever table scraps they can get. And because white males have more sexual options...they don't do much or any self-improvement because they don't have to work at it. Somewhere, there is an Asian girl willing to put up with their white soy loserness.

For a woman wanting to settle down with a sure thing, she is willing to date down...especially if she has a job. She doesn't love the man, she just wants to further her DNA via kids.

Also, Soy Men move to the City, non-Soy Men are Repulsed by the City and do everything to Leave...so...you could just be in a bad area.
 
I would say that work and modern pop culture has more to do with it then water, enzymes, polarity or any other BS that has been mentioned

I would not say that attractive Woman are actively choosing soy boys either. Most of them are going for 'metrosexual' type men. Think Cristiano Ronaldo & David Beckham and less the skinny ass urban hipster eating avocado toast. This has been a trend in the west since the early 00s at the very least.

Back in the olden days (1980s, 1990s etc..) a man who was a mechanic or "working class" was economically independent enough to be a desirable mating partner to a woman. Also being "working class" or a "mans man" was portrayed as something cool in the media. Women wanted guys with masculine traits like Tony Soprano or Robert Di Niro.

Nowadays look at the main male actors of TV shows and films today. Some of them look like male models who who spend the whole day moisturising.

To be fair tho some of these metrosexuals are still ripped. 80-85 kg in weight and mainly muscle. They jog a lot and look good because the supermarket magazines of these men are located right next to the ladies magazines. The fact that this type of man is potrayed a lot tricks the women into thinking that is the desirable trait. Remember urban women love what is supposedly the "popular" choice. That being said I don't find going to a gym to be a masculine trait to be honest. Give me a slightly overweight welder with a beer gut and fat sausage fingers over a gym goer any day of the week.

Anyway most men nowadays are going to university and getting desk jobs in the city. These guys aren't really masculine men but because they are part of the "in" crowd thanks to the media and because of that woman think that they are desirable. They got nice looking hair, shave their chest and visit the gym thrice a week. But they ain't a regular "mans man" and won't be able to provide protector status to a women long term.

It's no wonder woman today are so dissatisfied with the amount weak beta men (who probably have never been in a fight before) that they date. No way such men can provide long term happiness and protection which is what female nature ultimately desires.
 
Not sure if this has been said already but a certain amount of it is due to birth control. The pill has been shown to alter women’s preferences towards soy.

I have heard this several times as well and have witnessed it with my own eyes. The number of women who are on the pill nowadays is incredible, so much so that they have TV advertisements for it now.
 

andy dufresne

Kingfisher
Not sure if this has been said already but a certain amount of it is due to birth control. The pill has been shown to alter women’s preferences towards soy.
I've begun to suspect 'The Pill' is part of a psy-op to de-feminize women. Every chick I've dated or known to be on the pill displays much more masculine traits. Chicks that aren't on it are much more feminine.
 

Pelagius

Robin
I've begun to suspect 'The Pill' is part of a psy-op to de-feminize women. Every chick I've dated or known to be on the pill displays much more masculine traits. Chicks that aren't on it are much more feminine.
It can also be quite insidious in that once a woman is on it she loses clarity on what she was like off of it.
The effects are quite profound and most certainly contribute to many break ups.
 
I've begun to suspect 'The Pill' is part of a psy-op to de-feminize women. Every chick I've dated or known to be on the pill displays much more masculine traits. Chicks that aren't on it are much more feminine.

Wouldn't be surprised. The pill is kinda like the bargaining chip for the selling of a woman's soul. Free and unlimited sex with whomever and no consequences. Thus their standards drop tremendously. Back in the day you had to be very very careful with whom you fornicated with, because there is a good chance you might end up with their child, so women had to really think about whom their partners might be for you might give birth to their child.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
I've begun to suspect 'The Pill' is part of a psy-op to de-feminize women. Every chick I've dated or known to be on the pill displays much more masculine traits. Chicks that aren't on it are much more feminine.
Everything else about the sexual revolution was and the people involved openly admitted it. Why would this be different?
 
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