Why are Women Willingly Choosing Soyboys?

The soyfication is rampant. There are "men" who LARP as babies. They wear adult diapers, "adult" pacifier, and sleep in an "adult" crib, where they set up their "comfort zone" with their favorite children's cartoons, My Little Pony plush toys and children's music. If they can't find a real woman to play "mommy" (that's too much soy even for most modern women) they will listen to "Internet sex workers" who play the mommy role.

Recently, one "transgender" journalist explained his "transition" saying he couldn't cope with what is expected of his sex, i.e. he was too much of a soyboy to be a man. It's no coincidence that so many "transgender" are nerdy autistic man-children. Being a woman is the closest thing to being a child while being an adult, especially today.
 
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Fifty years ago, women loved dating masculine assertive men and men (of course) loved being with the beautiful girl with long hair wearing a dress. Fast forward to today: women are not only dating soyboys, they are PREFFERING them in many cases. Not sure if this is especially true in the USA or the west coast, but it's happening in greater frequency. Traditionally women loved the confident man with a deep voice who could work with his hands: think Brad Pitt in fight club, Tom Brady, or Thor.

Many women now are choosing soyboy men with high pitched voices, feminine mannerisms, and with zero survival skills. At least in California it's not just low value women either; good looking women are going out with (or marrying) submissive men that would normally seem homosexual.

My thoughts:
1) Due to globohomo inversions (birth control, atrazine in water, hollywood brainwashing, feminism in college), women are becoming independent/manly and are now attracted to feminine men?
2) Women spend years of their youth dating the badboys, and being burnt out & feeling disgusted with themselves, pick the opposite as some sort of requital for their previous bad behavior? (ie: I had my fun - now time to settle down with a nice fatherly guy)
3) For LTR, women want a man they can dominate indefinitely while still reaping all the benefits of marriage (money, status, children) but doesn't respect her husband?

Anyone notice the same thing, or have thoughts on this?
Most Women also choose soyboys because it helps make them feel better about themselves. They prefer an inferior Man on one hand, but on another hand they actually don't. But they get with the soyboys because they have self-esteem issues and the thing is most girls are so immature that they don't even know what to do with themselves or how to "be" when involved with a Real Man, plus the fact that it also would mean they need to live up to certain expectations that they are too lazy and uninterested to take part in.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
I would say, that lower quality women are more attracted to masculinity. By lower quality I mean less-intelligent and more simple. They somehow follow their gut feeling and don´t dig to deep. Also they are more attracted to looks, which is masculline guy, who works on himself, probably about to have.

On the other hand, higher intelligent and better genetically equiped girls are more likely to fall into globalistic trap. Indoctrination is aimed firstly towards them. They usually build career, get degrees and postpone having children. I am not saying women can´t be high cappable, a lot of them are and they might over-work their male co-workers. The problem is, that they are brainwashed into thinking, that it´s them vs men. They are trying to make value not by being their best possible versions of themself, but by being better than males.
And it leads to emptiness, because in humankind hiearchy there will always be somebody better than them and probably it´s going to be male. And the most importantly, they are missing on things, that could truly fullfil them (having children).

At this moment, if you are a man, who have got his life together and excell (or try to) in all areas of your life, you are likely to become competetition to her. Succesful men have well structured life and probably live by discipline, while succesful women have good work ethics (literally she gives her life to her corporate), but the rest of their life is totally mess. Their time outside of their office probably consists only from impulsive shopping and getting drunk with her friends.
What actually might save her would be settling with structured succesful man and starting a family. But thanks to indoctrinalization, her ego can´t bear such ideas, because it would mean she lost her fight against males. So once there´s her final call, she settles with unstructured beta guy, who doesn´t represent threat of patriarchy to her.

I would say women are generally afraid of men living structured and disciplined life. Because it sets bar too high and they would be obliged to follow it (as what happens in the article) - being disciplined with their bodies, financial planning,...

That´s why succesful men end up with worthless models, who can´t offer anything more than body and succesful women end up with men of lower "value" than they are.
 

Bitter End

Woodpecker
I have travelled most of Europe so my comment applies to this part of the globe. I believe Scandinavia is the worst on paper, but German speaking countries might be the very worst in terms of actual female behavior. While I have sympathy for the men in these countries, I have to admit that the native cultures might have had a part to play in letting things unravel. The modern Western materialistic society appears to my Eastern European brain as extremely indifferent and inward facing.

The "sacred" individual that values minding his own business over everything else. Frequently you will find "progress minded" people back in the former soviet countries complaining about the social control and the restrictions that their families put on them. None of this has been happening the West in the last decades. These societies have well established classes and they rarely seem to be in contact with each other. That is why someone living in the center of Birmingham might be much more red pilled on immigration than large parts of the UK that live in the Ivory towers. Similar things happen with the university indoctrination. People are stuck in their own bubble, show complacency and refuse to look into the curriculum of their children.

This is why I believe the mothers in countries such as Sweden and Germany are an understated reason for the current state of affairs. We know the indoctrination that the Germans are put through in their school years more than any other nation. On top of that you have women that seem to take their husbands for granted completely. It is the ultimate "pee seated" kind of environment and I was revolted by it. It is much more important to score points at the dinner party than to admit that someone like Donald Trump might have ever been right about something. They also fail to grasp what is happening with their Karrierefrau daughters that insist on seeing 100 countries before ever thinking about having kids. The indifference of the late boomers created this. They are completely clueless about the (((propaganda))) of the powers that be.
 
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I have travelled most of Europe so my comment applies to this part of the globe. I believe Scandinavia is the worst on paper, but German speaking countries might be the very worst in terms of actual female behavior. While I have sympathy for the men in these countries, I have to admit that the native cultures might have had a part to play in letting things unravel. The modern Western materialistic society appears to my Eastern European brain as extremely indifferent and inward facing.

The "sacred" individual that values minding his own business over everything else. Frequently you will find "progress minded" people back in the former soviet countries complaining about the social control and the restrictions that their families put on them. None of this has been happening the West in the last decades. These societies have well established classes and they rarely seem to be in contact with each other. That is why someone living in the center of Birmingham might be much more red pilled on immigration than large parts of the UK that live in the Ivory towers. Similar things happen with the university indoctrination. People are stuck in their own bubble, show complacency and refuse to look into the curriculum of their children.

This is why believe the mothers in countries such as Sweden and Germany are an understated reason for the current state of affairs. We know the indoctrination that the Germans are put through in their school years more than any other nation. On top of that you have women that seem to take their husbands for granted completely. It is the ultimate "pee seated" kind of environment and I was revolted by it. It is much more important to score points at the dinner party than to admit that someone like Donald Trump might have ever been right about something. They also fail to grasp what is happening with their Karrierefrau daughters that insist on seeing 100 countries before ever thinking about having kids. The indifference of the late boomers created this. They are completely clueless about the (((propaganda))) of the powers that be.
I agree with your comment.

Problem with Scandinavians is that they are way too soft, and way to late to the party, when it comes to figuring out what's wrong or what type of action to take. They also seem extremely passive and kind of relegated to their own world.

Unfortunately the most obedient characteristics of the Germans have gotten the best of them and their character, to where they agree to be obedient in the most self-destructive way as a Nation, and those who don't go along are ultimately shamed and snitched on.

Some people I know in Germany now have told me some of the most outrageous stories about the Lockdown situation they are now under.

80% of Germans believe in their dictator Merkel, and all her actions in general of keeping Germany a social-welfare state, one which especially caters to Illegal Immigrants, and also everything along with the Rona Lockdowns and just the general destruction overall of Germany.

In my travels to Europe, I also found that their women aren't all that much different or better from American women. A lot of them, even in Eastern Europe and Post-Communist countries in general are very much feminist and Anti-Male. The only difference is they are willing to cook and clean and be a wife. But there is a huge thing of "Passive-Aggressive" nature in Eastern European Women. When her Man is at his highest level of achievement or has everything going right, she will pull the carpet beneath his feet and not be there for him in that time, and when he comes crashing down after that, she will try to convince him how she's the best thing he has going on for him and how she's there to help him, even though she ruined things for him with his life.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
I have travelled most of Europe so my comment applies to this part of the globe. I believe Scandinavia is the worst on paper, but German speaking countries might be the very worst in terms of actual female behavior. While I have sympathy for the men in these countries, I have to admit that the native cultures might have had a part to play in letting things unravel. The modern Western materialistic society appears to my Eastern European brain as extremely indifferent and inward facing.

The "sacred" individual that values minding his own business over everything else. Frequently you will find "progress minded" people back in the former soviet countries complaining about the social control and the restrictions that their families put on them. None of this has been happening the West in the last decades. These societies have well established classes and they rarely seem to be in contact with each other. That is why someone living in the center of Birmingham might be much more red pilled on immigration than large parts of the UK that live in the Ivory towers. Similar things happen with the university indoctrination. People are stuck in their own bubble, show complacency and refuse to look into the curriculum of their children.

This is why I believe the mothers in countries such as Sweden and Germany are an understated reason for the current state of affairs. We know the indoctrination that the Germans are put through in their school years more than any other nation. On top of that you have women that seem to take their husbands for granted completely. It is the ultimate "pee seated" kind of environment and I was revolted by it. It is much more important to score points at the dinner party than to admit that someone like Donald Trump might have ever been right about something. They also fail to grasp what is happening with their Karrierefrau daughters that insist on seeing 100 countries before ever thinking about having kids. The indifference of the late boomers created this. They are completely clueless about the (((propaganda))) of the powers that be.
Materialism and feminism have gained large control in Eastern europe.

Check Poland, Czech republic, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria etc. Actually in Ukraine and Romania sexual degeneration is huge unfortunately.

Both countries supply EU with prostitutes and in Ukraine many men won't object anymore the sexual tourism there. They call it " free love ".

About German women you are on spot.

In those 100 countries they visit before they get married and divorced 2 years later for that matter ( if they ever get married) add here 100+ sexual encounters also.
 

Bitter End

Woodpecker
Materialism and feminism have gained large control in Eastern europe.

Check Poland, Czech republic, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria etc. Actually in Ukraine and Romania sexual degeneration is huge unfortunately.

Both countries supply EU with prostitutes and in Ukraine many men won't object anymore the sexual tourism there. They call it " free love ".

About German women you are on spot.

In those 100 countries they visit before they get married and divorced 2 years later for that matter ( if they ever get married) add here 100+ sexual encounters also.
I am from Bulgaria as I said in the other similar threads. You can still call women out on their behaviour which is a big plus. Ukraine and Russia are another league because the struggle for survival coming from a smaller town is real. I would not argue that CEE countries are traditional or that the women are all graceful, however, common sense is still the norm. Only small bits of the capital have been infected by liberalism so far.

Women in CEE do not desire submissive men. The majority want the man to take the first step, which I think is the focus of this thread. I would argue that status and power are still the most attractive traits here in the Balkans. Even daughters from wealthy families respond to this.

What I saw in Austria does not compare to anywhere else. Even Scandinavians like an assertive man if he is coming from Spain or Italy or some other country that they find exotic. In Austria the couples acted like brothers and sisters and you could not know which is which.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
I am from Czech republic and I mentioned this in other threads. Girls are brainwashed similarly as anywhere in the world, because they consume the same influence. I would say many people in USA still think of Eastern Europe as it´s portrayed in 90s US movies. Like there´s in every household some hidden virgin girl with top-model look protected from western world by her babushka.
Local girls follow the same news and media (financed by the same sources), browse the same instagram, watch the same movies and series, listen to the same music, wear the same clothes, study at similarly red-influenced faculties and work for the same corporations as the girls in the rest of the western world.

I was also dating or seeing girls from other EE countries. Slovakia, Poland, Russia or Balkan region (but Slovaks are too much similar to Czechs and I don´t consider them as foreigners living here).
It was really bad experince. They were mostly expats, who came to work here to some office corporate job. All of them had religulous family background (both Christian and Muslim). All of them were really well educated. But they were too much indoctrinated. Every nation has some different "niche" ways to ruin their life. But still you could see some traditional traits in them (for example cooking).

But generally I would say, that mixing coming from more traditional background and being indoctrinated by liberal western view of the world can create the biggest mess. It´s worse than girls, who grow up in western world liberal environment. Because such girls are going against what´s in her subconscious mind and it creates huge amount of chaos in their brains. I have met such girls and I felt really sorry for them, they were wery unhappy, but too proud to give up. Unfortunately, girls who suffer from this are usually the girls with the higher potential of quality (very good looks and high intellect). They are poor victims.


But to be a little positive. Yesterday I had a Tinder date after longer period and this girl was 21, who don´t drink, thinks deeply about many things, loves healthy lifestyle and claims she enjoys minimalist lifestyle without consumerism. It was pleasant meeting. But I think that you can find such girl anywhere in the world.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
At this moment, if you are a man, who have got his life together and excell (or try to) in all areas of your life, you are likely to become competetition to her. Succesful men have well structured life and probably live by discipline, while succesful women have good work ethics (literally she gives her life to her corporate), but the rest of their life is totally mess. Their time outside of their office probably consists only from impulsive shopping and getting drunk with her friends.
What actually might save her would be settling with structured succesful man and starting a family. But thanks to indoctrinalization, her ego can´t bear such ideas, because it would mean she lost her fight against males. So once there´s her final call, she settles with unstructured beta guy, who doesn´t represent threat of patriarchy to her.
A very good explanation for what is going on, by and large. Nice points. The ego part is compounded by the fact that raising children (at young ages, which women are most suited to) is "boring," especially in an age where you could theoretically be doing things that are more selfish (movies, wine, travel, etc). Instead of sacrificing this and appreciating your husband for working to provide, most women nowadays resent that for what "could have been" - but also not being honest about how much easier in many ways it is raising kids (you can't get fired, they are yours, you benefit from them in the future, etc).
 

JohnQThomas

Woodpecker
A very good explanation for what is going on, by and large. Nice points. The ego part is compounded by the fact that raising children (at young ages, which women are most suited to) is "boring," especially in an age where you could theoretically be doing things that are more selfish (movies, wine, travel, etc). Instead of sacrificing this and appreciating your husband for working to provide, most women nowadays resent that for what "could have been" - but also not being honest about how much easier in many ways it is raising kids (you can't get fired, they are yours, you benefit from them in the future, etc).
“Raising kids is an easy job because you can’t get fired from it”...

is a disturbing take on parenting.
It might be better if people with that attitude didn’t have children.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
“Raising kids is an easy job because you can’t get fired from it”...

is a disturbing take on parenting.
It might be better if people with that attitude didn’t have children.
The point is that raising kids is not hard. At all. It's taxing on your patience and selfishness. No one ever talks about this. Nor do they talk about all the benefits one gets from it, beyond the selfishness of passing on your genes, just one of the benefits. Fullness of life, gratitude, appreciation, etc.

I don't think you understood the analogy re: you can't get fired. When you go to work, you must produce. There are many traps and foils even IF YOU produce. If you are a parent, you need to be attentive, but no one is stressing you out over expectations. You set the standard, which should be high, but it's not a real job in any sense. It is you and your kids with patience, love, and challenges. That's the point.
 

JohnQThomas

Woodpecker
The point is that raising kids is not hard. At all. It's taxing on your patience and selfishness. No one ever talks about this. Nor do they talk about all the benefits one gets from it, beyond the selfishness of passing on your genes, just one of the benefits. Fullness of life, gratitude, appreciation, etc.

I don't think you understood the analogy re: you can't get fired. When you go to work, you must produce. There are many traps and foils even IF YOU produce. If you are a parent, you need to be attentive, but no one is stressing you out over expectations. You set the standard, which should be high, but it's not a real job in any sense. It is you and your kids with patience, love, and challenges. That's the point.
Raising kids may be rewarding, but if done conscientiously it’s not easy!
And too many parents are not conscientious.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
It is the ultimate "pee seated" kind of environment and I was revolted by it.
„Beim Pinkeln bitte sitzen bleiben“
I had never seen that in a mens toilet anywhere else in the world, but will add, that I've only really seen it in southwest Germany, Baden Wurtemburg, not sure if it is nationwide. How can a culture come upon the idea that men should sit down to pee, is illogical and against nature. I have also once seen signs in gyms in that region telling men not to wear singlets.

When her Man is at his highest level of achievement or has everything going right, she will pull the carpet beneath his feet and not be there for him in that time, and when he comes crashing down after that, she will try to convince him how she's the best thing he has going on for him and how she's there to help him, even though she ruined things for him with his life.
Unfortunately too true. We have to watch out, there is often a subtle thing that goes on to ruin a man's progression out of fear he will move on from her.
 
The question is self referential.
What you are asking is "Why are women not behaving the way which I expect or want them to"?
In other words, why are they behaving against the natural order?

The answer to the question is in the question itself. It is precisely because the natural order is subverted that the results are subverted.

Throughout the history of not just marriage, not just western civilization, but the sociology of all significant cultures, women were not given the authority to freely choose who to marry. This is not because men hate them, or because they are inferior, but because they judge poorly in these decisions, (not in small part because they are still emotionally and mentally mature at the time they become sexually mature and are making these decisions--in other words it is not a pure gender question, but also a chronological one but there are certainly gender components as well).

In a society where we have gone against all historical norms, and told women they can choose everything from what flavor latte she will drink to what fun job experience she will have to what man she will marry, (and when she will divorce him), it is totally expected that the mates selected would be poorer choices than under a traditional scenario where her family, or her community, or her religious group, selects and ratifies this union.

Why are women choosing soyboys?
is as valid a question as "Why do women wear crocs?" or
"Why do religious women get biblical tattoos?" or
"Why do women cut their hair short?" or
"Why do women use so much profanity today?"

There will be no logical, rational answer to these question. The reason they make what we perceive as "bad" decisions is simply because they now have the autonomy to do so. It logically follows from this freedom that they will, which is why they were never given said freedoms throughout any culture, ever, until about 100 years ago.


We are empowering women to behave in an appallingly poor way which is incidentally something that is natural for many of them. They have abandoned reason and given themselves over to their basest of lusts. This is why women were historically not empowered with these options or opportunities because it was understood how they would misbehave and it was understood what sort of drastic consequences such behavior would have for society.



From a while ago, I posted this on my personal social media feed-



I was approached by a man who had overheard my end of a phone conversation while I was at the store.

I was on the phone with a professor and had stated, "feminism is a psychological disease of an affluent society. It requires a level of material wealth and stability beyond a mere agrarian or industrializing society to sustain a professional victim class with a grievance industry of permanent dissidents who specialize in agitation and protest. In the former Belgian Congo the women don't have time to loaf around in salons and spend four hours per day reading propaganda about how oppressed they allegedly are, they're out working agricultural jobs alongside their men and if you don't work you won't eat. Only in nations such as the United States do you see an upper middle class woman with ten hours of leisure time per day being able to absorb the propaganda and then deciding to proclaim she is oppressed. It is a disease that infects wealthy societies, in places where everybody has to work you don't see it. The USA accumulated so much wealth that our society still functions and even prospers in some regards despite perhaps ten percent of people doing absolutely nothing except constant social agitation and then perhaps another twenty percent who simply don't work period."

The man said that he had similar ideas and observations but couldn't put his ideas to words and had never heard such ideas conveyed so well. He asked me, "what do you do?" I told him that "I am a lawyer by trade but my main interests are history, philosophy, political theory, and economics."
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
And good answer to the "what do you do" question. I never answer with merely my occupation.

Maybe our society will be approaching that of the Congo soon enough.

My experience dating 30 year old career women is that while they certainly have plenty of leisure time to visit beer gardens with their also uncommitted female friends, they are becoming increasingly entrapped by debt (especially the ones now in school), particularly via the credentialism that encourages them to pursue graduate degrees on top of the 0% down mortgages and credit card consumerism.

And while cubicle work is physically easier, it is probably mentally harder over the long run. Mankind was not meant to sit in a cubicle and turn out TPS reports. We can, and I have, productively utilized TPS reports to earn lots of money for a number of years, but that is unsustainable for a lifetime and eventually we burn out and tire of staring at pixels on a screen and it begins to affect your mental health. As the population becomes majority nonwhite, the load which the productive classes must bear will be greater and greater.

And society may go down financial and moral dead ends like supporting transsexuality and reparations and who knows what... Imagine the societal costs of 100 million spinsters each maintaining their own domicile, with another 10 million sex change operations and 4 million suicides from that. Anglin had a recent article making the great point that all of this sprung from the initial sin of giving Eve license over her own actions in the Garden of Eden. If that isn't the most fundamental lesson for social organization from the bible, I don't know what is.
 

J.E.

Robin
Men assume the role of women and vice-versa. Masculanized, baby-pilled and career-oriented women want femininized, yielding and docile men. I lived in a city where the roles were reversed in the majority of the population. It was a disturbing experience. Most men have a homosexual/feminine tone in their voice and talk about things regular women tend to talk about (pharmaceuticals, emotions, gossip) while girls where more than sure to show that they can talk about the same topics like men (sciences, politics, religion, history). This was a huge turn-off. When observing the couples walking the streets I noticed how the woman was in the lead and the body-language of the woman was dominant and naughty while the man's was childish and passive. There were more mannerisms in different situations but I keep it at that.

Finding a friend among the "men" was as likely as getting a Jew to give you a 20 % tip, same as finding a girlfriend. There were rare exceptions of course but the general experience made me more pessimistic and realistic about where the current year society is heading, given the city I used to live in was very "progressive" which means sodomite-friendly and meaning regular cities will come to the same standard within 5-15 years.

So, given that information, what men lack women will replace and find in a man who resembles the polar opposite. The trend is growing because of affirmative action, religious and ethno-masochism, and pornography. These are the influences without. The influences within usually come from a dysfunctional family. Since most families are dysfunctional in modernity the assuming of characteristics of the opposite sex are almost a given. I read psychiatric works that describe in great detail how these disturbances and preferences occur, and it is always a tragic story.
 
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