Why are Women Willingly Choosing Soyboys?

JohnQThomas

Woodpecker
Other Christian
We are empowering women to behave in an appallingly poor way which is incidentally something that is natural for many of them. They have abandoned reason and given themselves over to their basest of lusts. This is why women were historically not empowered with these options or opportunities because it was understood how they would misbehave and it was understood what sort of drastic consequences such behavior would have for society.



From a while ago, I posted this on my personal social media feed-



I was approached by a man who had overheard my end of a phone conversation while I was at the store.

I was on the phone with a professor and had stated, "feminism is a psychological disease of an affluent society. It requires a level of material wealth and stability beyond a mere agrarian or industrializing society to sustain a professional victim class with a grievance industry of permanent dissidents who specialize in agitation and protest. In the former Belgian Congo the women don't have time to loaf around in salons and spend four hours per day reading propaganda about how oppressed they allegedly are, they're out working agricultural jobs alongside their men and if you don't work you won't eat. Only in nations such as the United States do you see an upper middle class woman with ten hours of leisure time per day being able to absorb the propaganda and then deciding to proclaim she is oppressed. It is a disease that infects wealthy societies, in places where everybody has to work you don't see it. The USA accumulated so much wealth that our society still functions and even prospers in some regards despite perhaps ten percent of people doing absolutely nothing except constant social agitation and then perhaps another twenty percent who simply don't work period."

The man said that he had similar ideas and observations but couldn't put his ideas to words and had never heard such ideas conveyed so well. He asked me, "what do you do?" I told him that "I am a lawyer by trade but my main interests are history, philosophy, political theory, and economics."
Are you sure you remember everything you said in that conversation?

Cool story, bro.
But it would be even better if your four-year-old child had made that speech.
In a hipster coffee shop.
 
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I think it's simple. Most western women nowadays are mentally damaged and/or emotionally immature. So they choose men who are as broken as them which are the soyboys. Roles are inverting in a very sick way. but still, all those feminist chicks who choose soy undermen still want Chad to bang them hard, so soyboys end alone in the end.

Society is fucked up. The bad emotional state of modern feminist women and emasculated men manifests in lack of maturity, poor choice making, lack of assertivity and refusal to own their lives and be responsible. I haven't met any soyboy or feminist chick who isn't fucked up and uses their woke ideologies to cover their insecurities and a general failure to be productive, hard working, assertive, well adjusted and normal people.

Recently, one "transgender" journalist explained his "transition" saying he couldn't cope with what is expected of his sex, i.e. he was too much of a soyboy to be a man. It's no coincidence that so many "transgender" are nerdy autistic man-children. Being a woman is the closest thing to being a child while being an adult, especially today.

Yep, there's a trend these days where trans ideologues are grooming diagnosed autistic people, even children, to become trans. Also there are a lot of "trans" or "genderqueer" snowflakes claiming to be autistic so they can get even higher on the oppression scale. I understand you said "autistic" in a rhetorical way, but this is also happening in a legitimate way. Fucking clown world.
 
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Zagor

Kingfisher
And here on the other side of the Atlantic the media are fawning over the italian singer who won the eurosong music contest. He's a 22 years old androgynous looking guy who wears makeup, purses and high heels. Aparently according to the media all girls are going crazy about him, how good looking he is. It's obviously just programming by the tribesmen and push toward normalizing effeminacy in men, and part of the answer to the question in the title of this thread.
 

ball dont lie

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Men who get married almost always slide towards the beta area of the scale for a bunch of reasons. So one issue is the point in time that you see 'married couples'. If they have kids and have been married 5+ years, the guy is not the same guy that he was when they were dating.

Almost every guy I meet that is married - his wife runs the shots and brow beats him. But I dont think all these guys were like this before they had kids and the danger of divorce looming.

I'm in a sports league with some guys and every one of them gets a call from their wife if we go late - I'm talking 15 minutes phones are ringing and guys are getting an ear full. This is the one day a week, or every other week, that they get a night out. And its exercise - so its not like the guys are going home drunk at 11pm. They are going home after 2 hours of exercise at 8pm.

Something is wrong overall in the male/female relationships in the west. These are just symptoms.
 

Bitter End

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Even in EE the marriage dynamic seems to swing things in the woman's favour. I guess the secular women wear the men out with s tests or decades of relentless nagging. Even in countries where the court does not benefit women getting custody or shares of the house / other assets.

Generally, people seem to grit their teeth and stay together for the kids, but it is by no means an optimal arrangement in the modern day.
 

Zagor

Kingfisher
This. How often do you see fit attractive couples? The whites I see getting married are almost always an opinionated feminist-type woman with a dorky harmless-looking guy.
I'm always amazed when I see a decently looking guy with a porker of a female. It's got to be preferable to be alone then being walked on a leash by a hog.

I have a friend who politically red pilled and has some masculine qualities, but his wife is a fatty who's also insufferable. He complains she doesn't ever leave the house. He complains she nags him when he doesn't park just in front of the supermarket entrance, but 10 meters away. Well you married her pal, what were you thinking?
 

fortyfive

Kingfisher
Other Christian
After some time in marriage, men convert to soyboys largely because they matured and are tired of petty conflicts leading to nowhere. Also, they lost energy and willpower going to war after years of couch potato lifestyle. Just let me live with remote control of my tv, and I will obey.

But women are forever young (at least mentally) and they are still willing to put a lot of enthusiasm into everyday silly fights.
Furthermore, women's psyche is much more "reactive" to any stimulus.
During the ordinary day, you can meet the same nice or mean people as your woman, and if they behave normally, you'll be indifferent to each other, but a woman would see the same situation very differently.

She will react with a broad range of emotions to these ordinary situations.
...and in the evening you will need to listen to these little dramas, about what happened to her during this horrible day, if you want to have dinner at the table or something else...
Well, nothing in life is free.
 

Baron_Gangrelle

Pigeon
Protestant
Well I am not cucked or a feminine beta male soyboy. I just do not get along at all with the 21st Century Modern Day American Woman. In my area , there's quite a few beta male providers who are feminized and they do not seem to be the head of the household. I am not jealous or envious of them at all. The feminine limp wristed weak beta simp is very common in America right now. A lot of men are cucked , and they seem to be neutered. They need to grow a pair. Is Feminism to blame for this phenomena ?? Or is it just the devolution and pussification of the American Male ??
 

ScannerLIV

Woodpecker
Well I am not cucked or a feminine beta male soyboy. I just do not get along at all with the 21st Century Modern Day American Woman. In my area , there's quite a few beta male providers who are feminized and they do not seem to be the head of the household. I am not jealous or envious of them at all. The feminine limp wristed weak beta simp is very common in America right now. A lot of men are cucked , and they seem to be neutered. They need to grow a pair. Is Feminism to blame for this phenomena ?? Or is it just the devolution and pussification of the American Male ??

Well thank you for clarifying, we were getting worried here. That's what we suspect of every new forum member.

Your question can be answered by reading up on dozens of thread here, including few pages on this one.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
This. How often do you see fit attractive couples? The whites I see getting married are almost always an opinionated feminist-type woman with a dorky harmless-looking guy.
Very few invested a lot over the years in their health, and working hard with playing hard is why most people aren't very fit looking. Especially women as looks are more important overall to them, and drinking with working puts turbo boosters on the small window they had in the first place, as far as going faster towards the wall.

The other part is that there are probably more really healthy and really unhealthy couples overall, you just see far more the latter since they outnumber the fit by so much. It's another manifestation of the increasing disparities of health, wealth, characteristic xyz
 

Baron_Gangrelle

Pigeon
Protestant
Great post , I agree with you , spot on! :) The liberal biased media has always said that men are more focused on looks and seek an attractive woman , and they just want sex , and all the other nonsense that the media has said and done to portray men as being the villains , yet at the same time men have to pay all the taxes for women to have 3 kids from 3 different men , and women ride the CC usually from age : 18-30. Millennial women are very focused on looks , they like pretty boy Chad's and Tyrone's. The late 1990's - early 2000's is where everything went haywire with women's preferences. They wanted a gangster thug who drove a low rider and was a drug dealing gang leader who was constantly in trouble with the law , they did not care about looks at that time , they just wanted "bad boys". This was way before Jeremy Meeks became a household name or even on the radar of being a "hunky heart throb" who happens to be a gangbanger , a pretty boy "bad boy" and a professional male model. He reminds me a lot of Jason Momoa. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Magus

Chicken
Agnostic
To find the right answer, we must first address the root of the problem; Of course, the question is not entirely correct and is only a personal impression. In addition to social welfare and technological advances, as well as the improvement of human life (since the Industrial Revolution), which are one of the factors weakening the institution of the family and traditional gender roles; The role of the media should also be mentioned. You see how by brainwashing people, they create the conditions for people to vote for what they want (it seems that this is the people's choice).
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
The exception doesn't change the rule. A woman will 9 out of 10 times not settle for a soyboy, unless it is out of necessity e.g. her value on the sexual marketplace has dropped in her 30s, she looks for the stability and this is her best option. But it's like going out in a club, where the lights turn on at 02:00 and at 01:50 she's trying to ''grab somebody'', the choice will be way less than when she was at the top of her stakes in the casino, in her early 20s, where it was 23:00 and all options were available. Relationships with a male in the submissive role will 9 out of 10 times break apart, usually by the woman, as it doesn't work generally. Ask any woman what she wants and most will say leadership, dominant, assertiveness etc in a man. A soyboy and a masculine woman is like making a fish fly and a bird swim. With some adaptations you may be able to let the bird swim and the fish fly for a short time, but they will be very bad at it and they'll want to go back. Probably the fish will run out of breath and will die first as he's out of the water, and the bird will run out of breath underwater and die. It's insanity. What this Satanic world - because this is the most nefarious, insidious and clever trick the devil has pulled - has done is to invert everything and what happens is that the lion becomes the gazelle, the gazelle the lion, the crocodile the elephant, the elephant the crocodile, the beaver the lynx, the lynx the beaver, the dog the cat and the cat the dog.
 

Anomaly

Robin
Trad Catholic
Fifty years ago, women loved dating masculine assertive men and men (of course) loved being with the beautiful girl with long hair wearing a dress. Fast forward to today: women are not only dating soyboys, they are PREFFERING them in many cases. Not sure if this is especially true in the USA or the west coast, but it's happening in greater frequency. Traditionally women loved the confident man with a deep voice who could work with his hands: think Brad Pitt in fight club, Tom Brady, or Thor.

Many women now are choosing soyboy men with high pitched voices, feminine mannerisms, and with zero survival skills. At least in California it's not just low value women either; good looking women are going out with (or marrying) submissive men that would normally seem homosexual.

My thoughts:
1) Due to globohomo inversions (birth control, atrazine in water, hollywood brainwashing, feminism in college), women are becoming independent/manly and are now attracted to feminine men?
2) Women spend years of their youth dating the badboys, and being burnt out & feeling disgusted with themselves, pick the opposite as some sort of requital for their previous bad behavior? (ie: I had my fun - now time to settle down with a nice fatherly guy)
3) For LTR, women want a man they can dominate indefinitely while still reaping all the benefits of marriage (money, status, children) but doesn't respect her husband?

Anyone notice the same thing, or have thoughts on this?
I have seen this but I don’t think they’re actually sexually turned on by such men. In the couples in which there is such a man that I’ve noticed, usually the women, though they might be pretty, are ambitious, high-earning, career-obsessed, and bossy, and such a relationship dynamic reinforces her position as someone calling shots.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
It's more about just having versions of alternative "partners" instead of being wives and mothers, which these types are barely, even though technically they may have 1 or 2 shitty kids to fulfill some impulse or other social status objective.
 

Anomaly

Robin
Trad Catholic
It's more about just having versions of alternative "partners" instead of being wives and mothers, which these types are barely, even though technically they may have 1 or 2 shitty kids to fulfill some impulse or other social status objective.
I think this fits too.

Despite speaking generally above, I also think there are a few women who for whatever reason like soy boys, and they would in a man-dominated era too.

Does anyone have good ideas for restoring order in the sexual marketplace?
 

WanderingProtagonist

Sparrow
Orthodox
It's 100% 3.

Many women in the current year see men (and also any children they have together) as a fashion accessory and status symbol. Which also explains why so many women are claiming their child is LGBTQLMNOP+^10 before the poor kid can even wipe their own ass. They do it for attention and virtue signaling. They just view their kids, husband, other humans as a means to an end. It is completely dehumanizing. The amount of narcism and arrogance by women these days is unbelievable and extremely demoralizing.

They're choosing these frail "men" because they can easily dominate them. They don't respect them at all and I would imagine routinely cheat on them with whoever catches their fancy. So don't envy these poor men but rather you should pity them.
I honestly think it's mostly white women who do the whole claiming their kids are trans, gay, etc in the West. Never really see it among other women, but I'm sure they all do it for the reasons you just mentioned. Virtue Signaling and attention. Truly is a sad nation.
 
I honestly think it's mostly white women who do the whole claiming their kids are trans, gay, etc in the West. Never really see it among other women, but I'm sure they all do it for the reasons you just mentioned. Virtue Signaling and attention. Truly is a sad nation.
Thats mostly a thing in the middle class liberal areas which tend to be mostly white, and even there those cases are rare. I grew up in a pretty liberal part of Canada and even some normie female co workers of mine have said the trans kids stuff is too far gone for them despite their constant virtue signaling of other leftist pet causes.

I don't imagine it being common in other ethnic groups due to cultural or economic differences. For example indians are very collectivist as a community, and one might risk being alienated from various family and family friend connections if they brought shame by abusing their child with tranny grooming.
 
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