Why do all new buildings in America look like this?

Lee Harvey Pozzwald said:
This sort of building style speaks to a design ethos that caters to millennials who want to live in mixed use developments and pay out the nose for the privilege.

Developers are all about cutting corners, doing things cookie-cutter, and are always unoriginal. The only thing that makes me angrier is that my compatriots are wasting their savings to live in soulless abodes like these.

Hate to sound like a boomer, but they need to get in houses.

yeah it's sad to say this, but goin into some of the old hoodrat areas of my nearest local city, They have better design than these "modern-esque" types of places that are being built.
 
This is the end result of POMO. When jails and apartment blocks start looking the same you know there is a real issue.

We're talking of a society-wide trend that favors sheer utility (in this case, maximizing usable space, cheap materials, boilerplate designs), to maximize profit.

Existing in a paradigm whereby individuals talk about a desire for deeper meaning, or as such, the aesthetic, we could call it, but at the same time these individuals that want this are shopping at Wal-Mart for the cheapest possible product, of the shoddiest standard, made by the worst labor (slave labor), to not last the test of time.

I pin the blame on urban planners. This country needs to have a real discussion about urban development. Unless Agenda 21 is forced down the whole of America's throats, we will have to find another way to develop. Millennials will be goaded (and are already doing it themselves) into using public transit, or Uber, which has some clear implications. For one, given the repopulation of urban zones we have to ask ourselves whether we favor automobile-oriented cities, or ones that operate on a pseudo-socialist public transit scheme. The complete buffoonery of urban planners when it comes to public transit leads me to conclude that this is not the way to go.

Zoning needs to be restructured that way hipster goons can live in affordable high rise apartment blocks, or maybe they could be confined to ghettos full of them, that way the eyesore is mitigated for the rest of us. American cities already operate on a de facto ghetto system, so I see it not being too difficult at all.
 

PUA_Rachacha

Woodpecker
It looks like Bloomberg is asking themselves the same question...

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...gs-all-look-the-same?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The style is called five-over-one, and didn't get going until 1996. Before then stick-and-frame construction for multifamily was banned on account of wood's combustibility. With the advent of fire retardant sprayed on wood beams, developers slowly convinced municipalities to approve ever more dense projects.

To maximize the amount of available square footage the buildings generally conform to one of four design layouts. Architects aren't original at all (I can't stand them for the most part), so they just copy each other and throw in some buttugly brick or stucco to break up the uniform look of the facade.

Wood framing costs 30-40% less than rebar-concrete framing, hence why these five-over-ones have taken off. But I would bet that they will age quickly and become eye sores like most of the crap from the 50s, 60s and 70s.
 

Salinger

Woodpecker
Stockholm, Sweden copying the ugly, Brutalist architecture in the US with their new kindergarten building. Everything about this place is abhorrent: the concrete grey exterior, the asymmetrical windows, the metal cage that doubles as a staircase. This building is the antithesis of kid-friendly.


stockholm-kindergarten.jpg
 

ginsu

Woodpecker
I'm not an architect so I don't know anything. but I talked with an architect about it and this is my amateur interpretation.

It's not just about earning the highest return on investment. Its also about ''sustainability'' now. A lot of money gets handed out to architects that go along with it. They have to use modern materials and follow the latest guidelines and hit these arbitrary numbers that mean the building is ''sustainable''. They spend a lot of time fussing about optimizing theoretical energy calculations in software programs. I'm guessing that leaves less time to think about design and liveability for humans.

The architects that bring up the point that these modern buildings are not sustainable at all just get laughed at for being old fashioned. If you do a full lifecycle calculation on everything that is involved with constructing these new buildings it becomes clear that they are far more demanding on the planet with the type of resources that are used. the energy consumption for the processing of those resources to get the final materials needed for the construction is also larger. Same goes for solar panes/windmills of course but in clown world logic and truth don't matter.

The architects who support that building with simple materials like brick and wood or are in favor of restoration/maintenance of what was already there is a minority ( like everywhere else we look now in society ).

Another point is that architects have a big ego and want to feel better than the ones that came before them. It's not enough to do something for the sake of doing good. they cannot just copy or restore buildings because that's the work of another architect. They crave recognition and appreciation so they need to have all the credit for themselves.

I guess its a combination of these things:

1: it has to be unique/different (satisfying ego)
2: it has to earn the highest ROI (satisfying investors)
3: it has to meet the arbitrary energy numbers (satisfying climate nuts)
= ever more grotesque creations.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Even in the imaginary realm:


Many people seemed to have lost the ability to imagine beauty. Even with the capacity for detail all that detail is wasted on ugliness.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
The trees make it a little more bearable, and that it (from this perspective at least) is a single building in the midst of a remote area. I wouldn't say this is nice exactly, but it's better than brutalist buildings in the city where they're just endless and oppressive.

True. I think people's standards are lowered. A more classical/Gothic style of architecture would fit much better in the remote area.

Brutalist hideousness is much more obvious when they are more endless.

Meanwhile more older styles if done of the same scale as the brutalist buildings today will be much more heavenly by comparison.

London Bridge for example:
 

ginsu

Woodpecker
I just had another realization today, with a certain people owning the printing presses and wanting to push a certain ideology onto the world it kind off makes sense that there are so many hideous soulless structures created. The architects who make them are hailed as visionaries and talents. While it might just be that they are only useful idiots who happen to be the right tool to realize the goals of this certain group. So they receive tons of funding to build these abstract things, while others will have little chances to build inspiring buildings because it goes against the plan. Its not really a free market competition, its who is most willing and able to realize the vision of the banksters and they are rewarded with infinite funds to create useless buildings that no one wants to use but scar the mind of the public.

I just found this and while it is a little futuristic, it just shows that it is possible to combine future and past in a good way. Contrast this to the west where no churches are being built, only torn down or turned into libraries or sushi restaurants ( yes i saw them ). It touches me to see there are still places where there is pride and not shame in ones country and history.



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honestly kinda sad to think that Russia is building works of beauty like this and we in the US are too busy burning down and destroying art to make anything new.
 
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ginsu

Woodpecker
I dislike this:

But I guess even when ugliness is normalized people find that beautiful.

This looks like Halo (videogame), star wars or jurassic park, It's cool to have these styles in fiction entertainment to get a feel of alien worlds and to be absorbed in it. Unlike the entertainment where you can just hop in for an hour and then leave it, you cannot do the same for real life. Its not cool to see this for an extended period of time. Thats the point of course.

An architect told me that most abstract buildings have a built in self destruction timer, like all consumer products. The reason for the buildings is that the abstract shapes give a lot of stress and wear. They can never last hundreds of years. I think that's very convenient not only putting some monsters that no one can connect with in the most central and important places for a geopgraphical area that was always used to build a spiritual connection and culture. Instead of a great historical train station that generations can appreciate and bond with, we get a new monster every 50 yrs. They will not even allow you to build a lasting connecting to the abstract pieces they put down. the goal is to make everyone disconnected. I don't think all architects are evil, the majority is just clueless and don't know what bigger picture they are working for. Ppl in general just want to go along and get paid and fit in.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
I just had another realization today, with a certain people owning the printing presses and wanting to push a certain ideology onto the world it kind off makes sense that there are so many hideous soulless structures created. The architects who make them are hailed as visionaries and talents. While it might just be that they are only useful idiots who happen to be the right tool to realize the goals of this certain group. So they receive tons of funding to build these abstract things, while others will have little chances to build inspiring buildings because it goes against the plan. Its not really a free market competition, its who is most willing and able to realize the vision of the banksters and they are rewarded with infinite funds to create useless buildings that no one wants to use but scar the mind of the public.

I just found this and while it is a little futuristic, it just shows that it is possible to combine future and past in a good way. Contrast this to the west where no churches are being built, only torn down or turned into libraries or sushi restaurants ( yes i saw them ). It touches me to see there are still places where there is pride and not shame in ones country and history.



A quote from the comments":
honestly kinda sad to think that Russia is building works of beauty like this and we in the US are too busy burning down and destroying art to make anything new.


This is incredibly impressive, I can't believe they did something this great for that budget of $86 million, I thought it cost at least 10 times more, given the intricate craftsmanship in the stone carvings, marble mosaics, metalworks and masonry. They've not only made a great monument but also supported their local artisans.

It's also great they kept the cult of personality and Stalin out from the Chuch, it would have spiritually compromised the whole project.
 
Was actually thinking about this the other day, because nobody builds shit like this anymore:

(this is the national history museum in London, but there are many examples)

Did we just decide as a culture it was not worth it anymore? Could we even make stuff like this? Is it just part of the decline, a loss of pride in workmanship and culture and in its place people came to favor efficiency, utility and money?

 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
You can have a good compromise between craftsmanship and efficiency and come up with projects like that new Russian church, but there is a deliberate political project to debase culture through post-modernism, and architecture is a huge part of this.
 
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