Americans also dont use the metric system.
Should we seriously care about why they hate soccer?
Should we seriously care about why they hate soccer?
Why do Americans hate World Cup soccer and the world is so silly with it?
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Foolsgo1d
Peacock
Reasons why FOOTBALL (Foot on ball) is superior to any other sport. technically.
- A dirt poor shit hole village in Africa can play football. All you need is one or two people, something resembling a ball and voila, a game can start
- Not everyone can be 250-300lbs and run, pass and tackle. But the rest of the world has that, its called Rugby and is more entertaining than grid iron. Please come back and riddle me this when you have huge guys doing stop-go matches.
- Football popularity. Most people in the world except for the USA can name David Beckham, Messi, Ronaldo etc. I dont know a single grid iron/baseball/basketball player except for Michael Jordan.
- Less is more. Brb playing a sport where your opposing team can score a shit load of points. Really? No wonder you guys have quarters and stop-start matches. Thats the only technical play you can get for defense.
- Not everyone is born 6'3"+ in the ghetto
- Not everyone wants to play high impact sports and break bones
- A dirt poor shit hole village in Africa can play football. All you need is one or two people, something resembling a ball and voila, a game can start
- Not everyone can be 250-300lbs and run, pass and tackle. But the rest of the world has that, its called Rugby and is more entertaining than grid iron. Please come back and riddle me this when you have huge guys doing stop-go matches.
- Football popularity. Most people in the world except for the USA can name David Beckham, Messi, Ronaldo etc. I dont know a single grid iron/baseball/basketball player except for Michael Jordan.
- Less is more. Brb playing a sport where your opposing team can score a shit load of points. Really? No wonder you guys have quarters and stop-start matches. Thats the only technical play you can get for defense.
- Not everyone is born 6'3"+ in the ghetto
- Not everyone wants to play high impact sports and break bones
Strikeb4ck
Pigeon
Soccer (football) is the ultimate sport because nothing matches it when it comes to being a blend of everything.
-strategic/tactical perspective - managers/team lay out gameplans in advance, changes are made throughout the game, substitutions are limited and crucial, players have to decide what to do on the spot (there are soooo many mental attributes that go into the quality of a player alone), there is one break when a team can all get together and readjust/discuss plans)
-an athletic perspective - the combination of speed, stamina, balance, agility, natural fitness, strength, etc while need all the technique, skill, understanding for the game at the same time
-mental attributes - creativity, vision, determination, decision making, positioning, teamwork, off the ball work, bravery, work rate, etc
-a technical perspective - all sports have things that are difficult to do but in soccer you need such a varied skillset - crossing, finishing, dribbling, passing, marking, tackling, etc
-economic - can be played at the highest level or with a 5 socks, 4 as goalposts, one as the ball. enjoyable to play, enjoyable to watch. biggest sport in the world.
There are just so many aspects of it and as you take in the sport more you appreciate it more and more.
I would like to know, rather than just say it is boring and then have fans have to defend the sport, can someone explain why they think soccer is boring?
-strategic/tactical perspective - managers/team lay out gameplans in advance, changes are made throughout the game, substitutions are limited and crucial, players have to decide what to do on the spot (there are soooo many mental attributes that go into the quality of a player alone), there is one break when a team can all get together and readjust/discuss plans)
-an athletic perspective - the combination of speed, stamina, balance, agility, natural fitness, strength, etc while need all the technique, skill, understanding for the game at the same time
-mental attributes - creativity, vision, determination, decision making, positioning, teamwork, off the ball work, bravery, work rate, etc
-a technical perspective - all sports have things that are difficult to do but in soccer you need such a varied skillset - crossing, finishing, dribbling, passing, marking, tackling, etc
-economic - can be played at the highest level or with a 5 socks, 4 as goalposts, one as the ball. enjoyable to play, enjoyable to watch. biggest sport in the world.
There are just so many aspects of it and as you take in the sport more you appreciate it more and more.
I would like to know, rather than just say it is boring and then have fans have to defend the sport, can someone explain why they think soccer is boring?
The NHL has gotten better. I only like playoff hockey since the players put in 100% effort. In the regular season they mail it in a lot, this goes for basketball also. Both seasons are too long.
Growing up there was a lot of shitty hockey when NJ was dominate playing boring a sell trap hockey with Stevens lurking around and busting dudes heads open. That was all terrible hockey for a long stretch. Hockey should never be 1-0. For a game here you get 25-30 shots a game it's a joke. Hockey this past playoffs was amazing. OT, come back wins, 5-3 type decisions, when the game is wild that's when it's good.
Growing up there was a lot of shitty hockey when NJ was dominate playing boring a sell trap hockey with Stevens lurking around and busting dudes heads open. That was all terrible hockey for a long stretch. Hockey should never be 1-0. For a game here you get 25-30 shots a game it's a joke. Hockey this past playoffs was amazing. OT, come back wins, 5-3 type decisions, when the game is wild that's when it's good.
Strikeb4ck
Pigeon
kosko said:
The NHL has by far the best postseason of any sport.
LeBeau said:
That "little black disk" is one of the reasons why hockey outside of Canada has barely a pulse. It's literally "little" and is played with as if it were a hot potato. And it's players can barely be made out if it weren't for their nameplates. Check out hockey in the states or overseas - played to half empty arenas except of course in markets I can count on one hand.
Argue that.
Constitution45
Pelican
In Europe, Football was always about community, identity and loyalty. This has been diluted now, with the amount of money going into the game and footballers being paid extreme amounts of money; and ticket prices go very high for regular fans being priced out. For a lot of young boys in England, it was a rite of passage. Going with a group of other boys your same age, having a leader of the group, usually an older man. Facing your fears by getting in fights with other men; looking out for each other.
I don't blame Americans not liking football, because the way it is over there. They never had any of this.
I don't blame Americans not liking football, because the way it is over there. They never had any of this.
I just had another thought.
People are interested in the sport specific tactical planning that go on in spectator events. In american sports like american football or basketball, many people don't understand what goes on 'behind the scenes'. But they don't need to because of high scores, big hits and alley-oops.
But for the other sports that aren't instantly gratifying, like soccer or baseball, you need to understand what's going on when there is no scoring. You learn these tactics as a youth playing the game.
A lot of Americans think baseball is mind numbingly boring--those are the ones that stopped playing when they were 10. They never learned all of the cool stuff that baseball has to offer like hit n runs, sacs, suicide squeezes etc. Americans today don't have a background in soccer as a child, and therefore find it hard to get into now. Once todays generation is older, they will be more likely to enjoy soccer because they grew up playing it.
No doubt in my mind that o. My lifetime the USA will win at least one world cup.
People are interested in the sport specific tactical planning that go on in spectator events. In american sports like american football or basketball, many people don't understand what goes on 'behind the scenes'. But they don't need to because of high scores, big hits and alley-oops.
But for the other sports that aren't instantly gratifying, like soccer or baseball, you need to understand what's going on when there is no scoring. You learn these tactics as a youth playing the game.
A lot of Americans think baseball is mind numbingly boring--those are the ones that stopped playing when they were 10. They never learned all of the cool stuff that baseball has to offer like hit n runs, sacs, suicide squeezes etc. Americans today don't have a background in soccer as a child, and therefore find it hard to get into now. Once todays generation is older, they will be more likely to enjoy soccer because they grew up playing it.
No doubt in my mind that o. My lifetime the USA will win at least one world cup.
Excelsiors post was great, "soccer" does not rely on athleticism as much as other sports.
Example. One of the greatest players ever was a Brazilian called Socrates. His whole game was based around his technical ability (or skill) and his game intelligence. He played in midfield, in the engine room as we call it. However he would have told you himself, an engine is something he never had but his intelligence meant he knew exactly where he needed to be at the right time.
The reason he had no engine was because of his 40 a day cigarette habit combined with his heavy drinking. Imagine an elite sportsman doing that and still being recognised as one of the greats? Would that work in an american sport? He was also a Doctor funnily enough but this guy utilised his natural skills to become the Brazilian captain of the greatest team never to win the World Cup.
On another note the flexibility in football means those with athletic prowess can become greats however they still need that technical ability and intelligence to achieve that. Cristiano Ronaldo is a great example of someone who has amazing athletic prowess, forget your NBA stars and NFL linebackers, this guy as an athletic is only below F1 drivers (yep you read that right) however 10 years ago he was just a kid with great technical ability, he worked on his athletic abilities combined them with his technical skills and has become a great.
Finally why does football around the world transcend the sport? Socrates started the movement which brought down the military dictatorship in Brazil and led to their first multi-party elections. Only comparison to the US I could make was if Lebron James started a movement at Miami which forced Obama to step down.
Here's the drunk scoring a world cup goal
Example. One of the greatest players ever was a Brazilian called Socrates. His whole game was based around his technical ability (or skill) and his game intelligence. He played in midfield, in the engine room as we call it. However he would have told you himself, an engine is something he never had but his intelligence meant he knew exactly where he needed to be at the right time.
The reason he had no engine was because of his 40 a day cigarette habit combined with his heavy drinking. Imagine an elite sportsman doing that and still being recognised as one of the greats? Would that work in an american sport? He was also a Doctor funnily enough but this guy utilised his natural skills to become the Brazilian captain of the greatest team never to win the World Cup.
On another note the flexibility in football means those with athletic prowess can become greats however they still need that technical ability and intelligence to achieve that. Cristiano Ronaldo is a great example of someone who has amazing athletic prowess, forget your NBA stars and NFL linebackers, this guy as an athletic is only below F1 drivers (yep you read that right) however 10 years ago he was just a kid with great technical ability, he worked on his athletic abilities combined them with his technical skills and has become a great.
Finally why does football around the world transcend the sport? Socrates started the movement which brought down the military dictatorship in Brazil and led to their first multi-party elections. Only comparison to the US I could make was if Lebron James started a movement at Miami which forced Obama to step down.
Here's the drunk scoring a world cup goal
TheKantian
Robin
American football is a dead sport. As more research comes out people will find the very nature of the game is bad for the brain, i.e. tackling, blocking, etc. The NFL has already launched a massive propaganda campaign against this and I think, while they admitted it a couple years ago, still deny that football can lead to brain damage.
The only question is what is going to take it's place. I think either basketball or baseball and not soccer.
The only question is what is going to take it's place. I think either basketball or baseball and not soccer.
I was listening to NPR the other day and discovered that the World Cup has a bit of a following among women and gays, due to the physiques of the players. Therefore we should expect its popularity to grow.
I have nothing against it. When I attended a football match in Europe I thought it was a lot of fun. (Very drunk people in the stands...)
I have nothing against it. When I attended a football match in Europe I thought it was a lot of fun. (Very drunk people in the stands...)
bojangles said:
We're mostly in agreement with regard to everything else, but let us not get carried away here.
The major upside to the American NFL and NBA's overemphasis on raw athleticism relative to Soccer is precisely this: the athleticism of its participants.
Ronaldo is a great athlete, but he is not remarkable by NFL standards. He's got much more aerobic stamina than most NFL players (reasonable considering the nature of soccer as an aerobic sport and American Football as an anaerobic game), but beyond that he's merely good.
His speed, while elite by world soccer standards, is commonplace in the NFL (Ronaldo runs a 100meter in something like 11.0 seconds, a time typical for many skill position players in the NFL who often spend their teens running competititively on the track), and his size is nothing to write home about. There are quite a few players in the national football league who can best Ronaldo in a 100 meter dash despite outweighing him by 50lbs or more (example: Adrian Peterson, owner of a confirmed 10.33 100 meter time), and they do this while maintaining just as much agility (arguably more given American Football's emphasis on short-burst explosion) and also being FAR stronger. There are plenty of NFL linebackers who are just as explosive as Ronaldo despite being MUCH larger. That is what happens when you create a game that values raw athleticism over stamina, technical ability, intelligence and just about everything else.
The NBA is a similar story. There is nobody in soccer with the kind of raw athletic freakishness you'll see from the likes of LeBron James (incredible straight line speed, remarkable agility and explosion, great technical skill, all in a massive 6'8", 250lb package).
I love soccer and there are great athletes participating in the game, but it is unwise to downplay the athleticism we see in the NFL and NBA.
Excelsior said:
Ronaldo is more a very complete athlete, a good point being able the aformentioned stuff combined with great stamina. There is a documentary on youtube about Ronaldo where they analyze all his athletic skills and put him up directly with a 100m sprint guy (he loses in a straight line, but wins when he has to go around kegs). They also analyze his jumping ability for instance and at one point they shoot balls in the dark to him and he nets pretty much all of them based on a flash of interpretation on where the ball will land, very interesting to see. Your statement about guys a lot bigger than him outrunning him can be true, but is there any evidence of this? He is damn fast. A quick youtube search tells me he runs 96m in 10s, so that means he is faster than your example and near top level if the stats are correct. Nevertheless NBA/NFL guys have a lot of things going for them, nobody debates that, just different sports.
Excelsior said:
Cool, now let's compare skill and ratio's of people playing each sport:
Adrian Peterson: One of the best players in a sport played by a few million people worldwide
Lebron James: One of the best players in a sport played by a few million people worldwide
Cristiano Ronaldo: One of the best players in a sport played by billions worldwide
American Footbal is very unhealthy for the athletes. I heard some get really ugly spine injury.
But apart from that, I think soccer has some elegance American Football lacks. When I see American Football all I see is some buffed up guys running around with a ball in their hand, banging each other against the ground like neathertalers to get attention from the cheerleaders.
Soccer requires mastery over the ball. It is a gentleman sport and it envolves tactics and strategy to get the ball in the goal. You can't use your hands. That is cheating. Therefore it is all about technique and team work.
But apart from that, I think soccer has some elegance American Football lacks. When I see American Football all I see is some buffed up guys running around with a ball in their hand, banging each other against the ground like neathertalers to get attention from the cheerleaders.
Soccer requires mastery over the ball. It is a gentleman sport and it envolves tactics and strategy to get the ball in the goal. You can't use your hands. That is cheating. Therefore it is all about technique and team work.
Read a bit more into it and it seems fair to say indeed that NFL players are faster than football players, not that it really matters, but I though Id share that.
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