Why do so many middle aged men feel so lost? (Telegraph, UK)

[Foolsgo1d]

What the fuck is a male-specific toiletry?

Hair gel, shaving creams and after lotions. Deodorant (body spray), shavers, hair clippers. Basically anything you can use to alter and smooth out your appearance.

A lot of middle aged guys are trucking away with the realisation their pensions are fucked thanks to Labour and the bankers. They're too old to start all over because they have families or a bitch from hell they can't get rid of without resorting to financial ruin.

This doesn't take into account men who are already divorced, desire a new path and have a bad sex life. Basically they are left with scraps.

Meanwhile younger guys are able to adjust quicker and avoid the traps and pitfalls. Never before have so many men go to Asia just to fuck, even if it does include middle aged and old men. These guys wished they were younger to play around throughout the Asian continent.

 

[MrLemon]

There's an easy solution to a male crisis: start a nice big world war and kill off a few hundred million people.

This has been the preferred solution for all of human history, why change it now?

 

[Barron]

Why do middle-aged men feel as though they're on a road to nowhere? (ALAMY)
As my friend Tom, a counsellor, says, “Whereas women stride forwards and get themselves together, [in general] men just don’t do that. They like things to remain as they were. They don’t like change. They like women to support them, really, so they are emotionally or spiritually or physically lazy. Some are all three and this laziness is very prevalent in the sandwich generation men, and it often leaves them lost, lonely and drifting towards an uncertain future when they should be at an age whereby everything is settled.”

If a male journalist published this crap about women he would be out of a career.

What's even funnier, if you change the wording so that the quote is about females (of the same age demographics) rather than males, it becomes far more truthful

 

[jimukr104]

he answer, Real says, is to understand and then reject that old, outdated part of the masculine code, which gave a sense of entitlement, a sense that men can “go home, rip open our belts, pop open a beer, belch and be loved. We just don’t get away with that anymore.”

Guess he/she never been to EE!

 

[The Reactionary Tree]

Why do middle-aged men feel as though they're on a road to nowhere? (ALAMY)
As my friend Tom, a counsellor, says, “Whereas women stride forwards and get themselves together, [in general] men just don’t do that. They like things to remain as they were. They don’t like change. They like women to support them, really, so they are emotionally or spiritually or physically lazy. Some are all three and this laziness is very prevalent in the sandwich generation men, and it often leaves them lost, lonely and drifting towards an uncertain future when they should be at an age whereby everything is settled.”

If a male journalist published this crap about women he would be out of a career.

What's even funnier, if you change the wording so that the quote is about females (of the same age demographics) rather than males, it becomes far more truthful

I think we have a tendency in this part of the internet to assume that all men are like ourselves. The truth is that most men are not. Most are blue pill. The truth is that most men are really like that: lazy, want to be supported by a woman, etc. Especially nowadays in a society where entitlement is so rampant that most individuals fail to recognize subtle entitlement behaviors.

 

[SlickyBoy]

^excellent observation.

 

[CRR]

I'm 39 and none of my friends in my age range seem 'lost'.

There could only be two reasons:

1) Job market. Men define themselves to a degree, and women certainly judge them on, their job. And since the recent recession hit men the hardest, and they are having the hardest time making up lost time, that could be a reason. Of course feminists don't care about men, so this is underreported, they just want to bitch about the non-existent pay gap.

2) The marriage market. Most women are unmarriageable. The fat ones are completely off the radar, and finding an attractive woman who is also tolerable to be around is far more difficult than it should be. The feminist mantra of "act however you want and no one can judge you" is creating a lot of cat ladies.

Men can fill that void through camaraderie with other men, and sex with younger women. As I've mentioned, friends my age and even a few years older have no problem meeting younger women. Sure, some guys I know are happily married to good women. But theirs is a marriage based on compromise. I'd say most of us would want to settle down, but we're unwilling to do so under what is considered the terms of marriage these days, which is whatever a woman wants it to be.

So articles like this, and the media in general, likes to pile on men from an emotional point of view. But the facts are that the job market has changed, and the sexual market has changed. As much as they want to push the notion of being a fat whale is just 'curvy', or that men should date some 'age appropriate' barren ghoul, men are going to naturally resist this.

So it's not 'lost', rather that our voice isn't heard, certainly not on an equal platform as women, especially feminists. Note the plethora of articles written by obese young women and fat middle-aged spinsters about their issues. As has been said, years ago they'd be put in a mental institution, now they are given a platform. If a man said such things, he'd be told to go to the gym and work on his skills. Women should be held to the same standards. THAT would be equality.

 

[Aurini]

I think we have a tendency in this part of the internet to assume that all men are like ourselves. The truth is that most men are not. Most are blue pill. The truth is that most men are really like that: lazy, want to be supported by a woman, etc. Especially nowadays in a society where entitlement is so rampant that most individuals fail to recognize subtle entitlement behaviors.

And if you try to point out to them that there is hope, that they can amend their behaviours and improve their own life, all they do is lash out in rage with an Elliot Rogers rant about how you were born lucky, or you're just a manipulative PUA.

 

[N°6]

This is why 'lifestyle game' rather than the more flash in the pan PUA versions is the way to go.

A man must now take ownership of his life and design it in such a way that he fully expresses his true desires and interests.

The days of trying to improve yourself as either a Beta-$ or a pseudo-Alpha are gone because this is done to attract women.

With lifestyle game, women are attracted but they are of secondary or tertiary importance.

I need to take up more hobbies so that when I am 50, I will be better at them.

 

[SlickyBoy]

They're not talking about boomers, but Gen X, really - the boomers are way past their fifties and still acting like overgrown children.

Yes, I am acting like a child.. spending my time with guitars, motorcycles, movie making and girls waaaayyyyy younger...... and I love it. Good thing you are a more serious person, and will be a much more dignified old man.

:catlady:

IKE, you're coming off as a bit inconsistent to me. You put on the face of a joyous, happy go lucky rebel who's proud to never grow up, yet in most of your other posts, your tone is more somber and cautionary, almost warning the rest of us not to wind up in your shoes.

So which is it? Are you happy with your current situation or are you consumed with regret? Not trying to be a pain in the ass, just genuinely curious - your perspective is rare around here.


BTW, when I referred to "never growing up" as it relates to boomers, I meant the wake left by the sixties crowd and the concomitant socio-political movements that ushered in many of he SJW tendencies we are witnessing today. They by and large never became adults in the same manner as their parents did (arguably, as a result of their parents indulging them during their upbringing).

 

[SlickyBoy]

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[Foolsgo1d]

They're not talking about boomers, but Gen X, really - the boomers are way past their fifties and still acting like overgrown children.

Yes, I am acting like a child.. spending my time with guitars, motorcycles, movie making and girls waaaayyyyy younger...... and I love it. Good thing you are a more serious person, and will be a much more dignified old man.

:catlady:

IKE, you're coming off as a bit inconsistent to me. You put on the face of a joyous, happy go lucky rebel who's proud to never grow up, yet in most of your other posts, your tone is more somber and cautionary, almost warning the rest of us not to wind up in your shoes.

So which is it? Are you happy with your current situation or are you consumed with regret? Not trying to be a pain in the ass, just genuinely curious - your perspective is rare around here.


BTW, when I referred to "never growing up" as it relates to boomers, I meant the wake left by the sixties crowd and the concomitant socio-political movements that ushered in many of he SJW tendencies we are witnessing today. They by and large never became adults in the same manner as their parents did (arguably, as a result of their parents indulging them during their upbringing).

He is being sarcastic about his situation. You're trying to project onto him what you think he means.

 

[RexImperator]

I think part of the reason may be that we live in a "youth" culture. Therefore the wisdom that comes with age is not really as valued as it might have been in the past.

 

[Vaun]

They're not talking about boomers, but Gen X, really - the boomers are way past their fifties and still acting like overgrown children.

Yes, I am acting like a child.. spending my time with guitars, motorcycles, movie making and girls waaaayyyyy younger...... and I love it. Good thing you are a more serious person, and will be a much more dignified old man.

:catlady:

IKE, you're coming off as a bit inconsistent to me. You put on the face of a joyous, happy go lucky rebel who's proud to never grow up, yet in most of your other posts, your tone is more somber and cautionary, almost warning the rest of us not to wind up in your shoes.

Does it occur to you that in order to have what most men here consider to be the ideal masculine lifestyle at IKE's age(and yes Im 40 and currently surrounded by guitars), that he might of learned a few things to get to where he's at now? That he can warn younger men and lend some thoughtful introspection and advice about what to avoid?

Whats a "mature" man in his 50's to you? Married? Graying, aged, boring, pot bellied? Smoking a pipe in a library, with some old woman making sandwiches in the kitchen while you discuss the NYTimes, listening to your Bose radio? I plan to be a ski bum again.

 

[SlickyBoy]

Yes, that occurred to me, his approach is what puzzled me. IKE is never quite so upbeat in his posts as he was just then, and the only sarcasm I detected was what he directed at me. That's all I'm pointing out. I believe the what he says - that he's boffing all kinds of young women in the Phils. and hope he's living large.

 

[Vaun]

Yes, that occurred to me, his approach is what puzzled me. IKE is never quite so upbeat in his posts as he was just then, and the only sarcasm I detected was what he directed at me. That's all I'm pointing out. I believe the what he says - that he's boffing all kinds of young women in the Phils. and hope he's living large.

I'd honestly still like to hear your take on what a "mature" man is in his 50's, who is "grown up."

Can we guess that you think a man at that age should be married?

 

[SlickyBoy]

When I made the reference to boomers not having grown up, it had nothing to do with IKE's kind of MGTOW lifestyle, but more to do with boomer's effect on the socio-political development of America, full stop.

I never offered nor insinuated anything about how someone should act in their 50s.

 

[Vaun]

When I made the reference to boomers not having grown up, it had nothing to do with IKE's kind of MGTOW lifestyle, but more to do with boomer's effect on the socio-political development of America, full stop.

I never offered nor insinuated anything about how someone should act in their 50s.

Get off my lawn

 

[Mr. Wolf]

I'm calling bullshit on this entire article. I don't believe most of it, and this alleged quotation from the author's friend "Henry" just doesn't sound like anything any man would ever say, ever:

A friend of mine, Henry, 50, who divorced seven years ago, considers himself as part of a group he refers to as “remaindered men”. “It is the sense that we colluded in the process of making ourselves surplus to requirement,” he explains. “We married capable women who took over every aspect of life. They ran the household, the children, the social life. For a while it seems a good meal ticket to be on, but in the end the horrible logic of the process results in us being without any kind of a role at all and not much self-confidence to find another one within the existing framework.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

So it's not 'lost', rather that our voice isn't heard, certainly not on an equal platform as women, especially feminists. Note the plethora of articles written by obese young women and fat middle-aged spinsters about their issues. As has been said, years ago they'd be put in a mental institution, now they are given a platform. If a man said such things, he'd be told to go to the gym and work on his skills. Women should be held to the same standards. THAT would be equality.

Precisely. A breath of reality's fresh air here, hitting like a freight train.