Why do so many white men prefer Asian women?

Eusebius

Hummingbird
Gold Member
On the "only 3% of Americans have a healthy lifestyle" I think what makes it so low is the criteria for eating the recommended amount of fruit and vegetables, which I've always known is unnecessarily high and few people do. It's not natural to chew our way through mountainous plates of plant matter, even to optimise our health. After years of experimenting I now eat a small side of vegetables once a day and I think it's plenty.

Welcome to another episode of true stories…

Came back to USA after a few years living in Mexico. The obesity level there is just as bad as here. We’ll get to that…

Disclaimer, not blaming women. I love women. Men are fat, too. Less than 3% of US adults have a healthy lifestyle.

Repeat:
Less than 3% of US adults have a healthy lifestyle.

And this is old news:

I blame the lack of a caregiver (mom/dad/grandparent/etc) in the home. The first line of care and defense is busy, stressed, or brainwashed. The main advocate and caregiver for preparing real food for kiddos is weakened or absent.

Kids grow up clueless. Past age 18 most people are beyond saving. They think they can exercise their way out of being fat. Half of fat people won’t even admit they are fat.

Not that it matters. The pharmaceutical industry has them now. Incentivized illness. Aka sickcare.

Moreover, the American diet has shifted to 70% of calories from ultra-processed foods. Aka foods with 5+ ingredients and chemical names. This is not real food and it is unhealthy (despite the marketing and packages claiming it is).

How does this play out in the dating market? Matchmaker, matchmaker!

I have friends who organize events in NYC. They begged me to come to a speed dating event before I left. They desperately need attractive single men to attend!!!

Sounds great?! Well…

Yes these meetup events now have FAR more women than men. We are around, but hardly any men are willing to show up anymore. It seems the male sex is checking out on American society. It’s just not worth it, anymore.

2030 projection = 80% overweight/obesity.

Good luck with that. You have so little to work with now. The remaining 20% is mostly skinny-fat. Only 1% are healthy women who meet the following four criteria:

1. Non smoker
2. Eating daily requirement of fruits and veggies.
3. Doing 150 min of exercise/week.
4. Body fat under 30% (20% for men).

This last one is important. People lie. They’re wishful thinking. They self report to these studies on their 24 hour food journal or weekly exercises. But the waistline doesn’t lie.

So, if you’re a high level male dating is worth it (top 5% and mainly for hookups, not so much relationships).

If you are not a super high value man, it may better to give up on American relationships. At best it can be a waste of time. At worst, torture.

So I went to the event. I’m polite. I chat dozens of women. Several told me I look like Superman. All except one (deer in headlights) were laughing and flirty. I get usual matches.

BUT something unusual has happened. Only the obese women matched me. Mistake?

Actually yeah, I had same number as an older guy. Now I know how it feels not to be a Chad. It hurts. It hurts bad.

Due to my inquiry it slipped out that, not to worry because the *less* overweight women matched no one. A few even walked out in disgust after a few minutes.

Oh wow. It’s gotten bad. Real bad.

Seems American women are getting impractically picky. The event organizer said the company is shifting gears into other things. These events are now nonprofitable and potential cancel culture magnets.

Moreover, the women are always complaining to them about interactions with matches after the event is well over like childish tattle tails. They are sick of it. No surprise, their last event had zero men attend.

Keep in mind, some women had driven over an hour to be there! Not only did they not match a single guy—they walked out in disgust. And they were ALL significantly overweight.

Some matches took the first step to message me. Again I was polite. We exchanged social media. Then I dropped it. I’m honestly just looking for friends (and said as much in person). In fact, I’m not even a U.S. resident anymore.

One obese woman got pushy. She wanted to know why I wouldn’t take her out? Was I disappointed? Etc. She kept demanding. I asked if she really wanted honesty.

Again I was polite. I said nothing directly about her obesity. I stated my observation that EVERY woman at the dating event was overweight (and several obese).

Yet by contrast several men (myself included) had single digit body fat and lean muscle mass showing through our clothing. They were also well paid and looking for serious relationships.

I chatted with the few healthy men after the event. We all had the same attitude. We didn’t like unhealthy bodies, but had to be realistic. We’d be open to dating and/or marrying almost all of the non-obese women.

We were willing to overlook the overweight and perhaps even obesity (if it was something special). There are other qualities besides the physical…

It was the women who are now actually the ones being picky.

So, I think the more appropriate question is:

Why do American women not prefer white/black/etc men? Women are rejecting men. Not the other way around.

This is nothing new, BTW. Women have always been deciders to some extent. They just qualified far less in past generations.

Men tend to be practical. We will work with what we can get.

Modern women may be becoming too impractical for their own good. They aren’t satisfied with any of the available options.

Some of this is because a female 5-6 can hookup online with an 8+ male. This has distorted things.

But also we have a problem with obesity/overweight bodies in America.

That obese woman tried to screenshot and complain about my honest reply (which she asked for). But not before she attacked me personally for having a bad attitude and blah blah.

Since then, I followed up with at least 2 other men who indicated that was their first and last dating event. Make it 3.
 

ItalianStallion9

Woodpecker
Protestant
Being a little chubby (ie: having a dad bod) isn't a huge deal for females looking for men. Lots of women would rather date a bigger/fatter dude with confidence and cool vibes over a fit soyboy.

For men, a fat chick is automatically unattractive. Their thinness is much more valuable than a man's thinness.

That being said, asian women are much more likely to be thin and remain thin during marriage.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Being a little chubby (ie: having a dad bod) isn't a huge deal for females looking for men. Lots of women would rather date a bigger/fatter dude with confidence and cool vibes over a fit soyboy.

For men, a fat chick is automatically unattractive. Their thinness is much more valuable than a man's thinness.

That being said, asian women are much more likely to be thin and remain thin during marriage.

I guess it depends on the kind of Asians. The asian women I see the most where I live are mainly philipinas or chinese. Most of them are either short and pudgy or have weirdly shaped bodies.

Maybe there are skinny and good looking ones. Probably they dont hang out in the streets since they drive their husbands' expensive cars?
 

PolishCalifornian

Robin
Catholic
In Silicon Valley its common to see tech bros in their 20s and 30s with cute Asian women in their 20s. White women at that age and level of attractiveness (or even a few points lower) simply wouldn’t be interested in somewhat nerdy but otherwise affluent and in-shape men. I think the closer IQs and technical minds of these Asian women (mostly Chinese) are also more appealing as a partner to them than a white woman would be. As far as white couples, most of what I see are teens or people in their 30s and beyond. Marriage-aged white women are either sharing the same Alpha carousel or staying celibate, @Roosh wrote about this in his PUA days about women being like sexual camels who could go years at a time without sex or relationships.

I don’t blame the white guys going for Asian women, its the best choice they have, but I feel sorry for the mixed kids. Half-asian, half-white “hapa” women are often even more attractive than “stock” asians, but they have to deal with a lifetime of identity issues, even in ostensibly “tolerant” areas like coastal California, because of their parents’ choices. Even if I found a great Catholic Asian woman as a potential wife (or any other non-European ethnicity), I would be very reluctant to pursue it for this reason. I’ve had enough identity problems growing up 100% Polish in the US, I can’t imagine being mixed on top of it.
 

MartyMcFly

Kingfisher
Other Christian
What choice does he have?

Going to the gym will do nothing for that older man…

He’ll still be rejected by the majority of American women—who honestly are now just as “hard to look at.”

At least she is smiling and looks agreeable. I bet her parents aren’t divorced, she’s not medicated, and doesn’t need to be.

20% or so of American women are on head meds. Relationships are not just about physical attraction.

Men are no longer willing to be tortured. Air-o-planes exist. For now…

I wanted to post a funny photo but can’t. Another match just asked me right out of the gate if I was circumcised and how that is a deal breaker for her.

Talk about looking for every little thing to disqualify men! Or in my case not so little. Where is that banana emoticon when you need it?

Her: can I ask you a personal question?

Me: maybe after introductions. Hi I’m __. I live in ___.

Her: (a day later) ok fine. I’m __. From __. Now can I ask my question?

Me: pushy. Why don’t you share some of your personal info and context regarding the nature of your question. Then maybe ask or let it come out naturally.

Her: I am *NOT* female circumcised. So are you cut or uncut?? [she added a peeled banana emoticon]

Me: oh wow. Seriously.

Her: This is ALWAYS my first question. This is an absolute dealbreaker for me.

[look back at her profile thinking WTF? It says she is absolutely only looking for something special and long term relationship. No hookups. But we all know what that means.]

Me: Uh.. so I guess… like which do you prefer? [trying to keep it appropriate and not take bait to talk about my dick].

Her: answer first!

Me: America seems more toxic than ever!

Then I blocked her.

I didn’t bother reporting her. Oh and she was overweight, too. Now really. I mean really?

It’s not ok for me to comment on a major health pandemic like obesity. But I must answer cock related questions to a stranger?

Did I miss something down in mexico? When did this happen??
"At least she is smiling and looks agreeable. I bet her parents aren’t divorced, she’s not medicated, and doesn’t need to be."

This is a key point. She is not attractive, but she is just as good-looking as 80% of women her age range in the USA and she might have a better personality than many American women. Most American women (or men) don't seem to age well due to hard lifestyles and crappy diets.

However, I will say that The Philippines seems an odd choice for wife hunting. Compared to many other Asian nations, the women are less attractive on average and the country is not well-organized. I visited there briefly and would say less than 5% of women are attractive that I saw. Of course, the religion and language barriers are less which might be the big factor and the nation is pro-American when compared to Vietnam, Thailand, and China. If you want a Christian wife, this will likely not be easy in China or Thailand.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
"At least she is smiling and looks agreeable. I bet her parents aren’t divorced, she’s not medicated, and doesn’t need to be."

This is a key point. She is not attractive, but she is just as good-looking as 80% of women her age range in the USA and she might have a better personality than many American women. Most American women (or men) don't seem to age well due to hard lifestyles and crappy diets.

However, I will say that The Philippines seems an odd choice for wife hunting. Compared to many other Asian nations, the women are less attractive on average and the country is not well-organized. I visited there briefly and would say less than 5% of women are attractive that I saw. Of course, the religion and language barriers are less which might be the big factor and the nation is pro-American when compared to Vietnam, Thailand, and China. If you want a Christian wife, this will likely not be easy in China or Thailand.
Marty, you know the deal, for the man it is literally the inverse of the in-shape European or South American woman coming to America. Pizza (you know, the other P) delivery for the man, or gobs of attention to the woman, making each feel like a god or goddess where he/she typically never felt that way before. A total drug. An average to below average man, who gets basically no play or attention in the US, can for several reasons be bombarded by at least some attention in places like the Philippines.

Like Polish said, caucasians have been hollowed out, it's either young, or "bail me out, I'm 30 now." The plight of black americans is even worse, but there are so many pathologies there it's hard to know where to even begin, so I won't.
 

Martinlb

Chicken
Other Christian
I am currently dating a chinese woman, she is 37 and has one kid, not ideal perhaps, but so far she has been very sweet and pleasant to be around. I would be very interested to hear what experiences people have with chinese girls, anything particular to watch out for? We met at a chritian dating site. I tend to mostly get in contact with the asian girls as the girls of my country will reject me for not fitting in with their very narrow idea of what is an acceptable man. I also prefer the looks and more feminine personality of SE asians even if they are culturally "third world". Also dated a philippina last year and my experience is similar to others here, they are like the archetypical nurse, very caring and also strong willed and hard working, but not smart. The chinese girl however is much smarter, she works a corporate job, has her own house etc, the questions she asked me indicates she knows how to zoom in on what is important and relevant for a relationship even if it means being very direct. It is like she is testing me by asking slightly personal and embarrasing questions, it is not so much about what the answer is, but if i am sincere and straightforward in my answering. Anyway this is my first post to this forum that has been a blessing to me during the so called pandemic.
 

BLMeToo

Sparrow
Catholic
As for why white guys like Asian women: White millennial liberal women are a giant undifferentiated blob of MSM talking points, SSRIs, birth control pills, CRT/C19/BLM/LGBT/Climate panic propaganda, dyed hair, pronouns, nose piercings and Reddit memes.

The problem is, most of the Asian women in major US cities are like this too. See Subtle Asian Traits on Facebook. It's a smorgasbord of progressive cringe and degeneracy (minus the dyed hair and piercings). Here in NYC, the only women who aren't pozzed normies are basically Hasidic Jews.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
There's the yellow fever guys who have a preference for Asian women which has been discussed a lot. But what I think isn't discussed as much are the white guys don't necessarily have a preference for Asian women but they end up with one because Asian women tend to favor white guys more than any other non-white group which means that a white guy who doesn't have as many choices end up with Asian women a lot of times simply because those are the only choices available to them. It's either date an Asian woman or be perpetually single.

As for why Asian women like Caucasian men over their own men, I've seen it suggested before is that it's because Caucasian men are taller and more masculine which seems plausible at first thought but based on the many WM/AF couples I've seen through my lifetime it doesn't really seem like the white guys that Asian women end up with are particularly masculine. The stereotypical Chad with the square jaw ends up with sorority types, not Asian women. The typical WM/AF couple looks something like this

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I read on another forum that was similar to RVF 1.0 that suggested Asian women tend to be more tolerant of beta provider traits but I'm wondering if it's more than that and that Asian women actually actively prefer those sort of traits. I also think that while Asian women do prefer white physical traits and want their kids to have those traits, it's more than just height or looking more masculine. I think Asian women just like the white look (eye color, bone structure, etc.) and that a guy like the one in the picture above would still be considered more attractive by a lot of Asian women than a 6'0" built Asian guy just solely by him having white features.
 

Denam8487

Sparrow
Catholic
There's the yellow fever guys who have a preference for Asian women which has been discussed a lot. But what I think isn't discussed as much are the white guys don't necessarily have a preference for Asian women but they end up with one because Asian women tend to favor white guys more than any other non-white group which means that a white guy who doesn't have as many choices end up with Asian women a lot of times simply because those are the only choices available to them. It's either date an Asian woman or be perpetually single.

As for why Asian women like Caucasian men over their own men, I've seen it suggested before is that it's because Caucasian men are taller and more masculine which seems plausible at first thought but based on the many WM/AF couples I've seen through my lifetime it doesn't really seem like the white guys that Asian women end up with are particularly masculine. The stereotypical Chad with the square jaw ends up with sorority types, not Asian women. The typical WM/AF couple looks something like this

wu-Family-0002-1.jpg


I read on another forum that was similar to RVF 1.0 that suggested Asian women tend to be more tolerant of beta provider traits but I'm wondering if it's more than that and that Asian women actually actively prefer those sort of traits. I also think that while Asian women do prefer white physical traits and want their kids to have those traits, it's more than just height or looking more masculine. I think Asian women just like the white look (eye color, bone structure, etc.) and that a guy like the one in the picture above would still be considered more attractive by a lot of Asian women than a 6'0" built Asian guy just solely by him having white features.

I'm an Aryan looking guy with Aryan looking sisters and cousins and thus I was never attracted to the sorority blonde hair and blue eyes because I couldn't see them without seeing family members. My wife indicated to me that she never dated an Asian guy because they looked too much like family to her.

I also cannot underscore how horrible my dating experiences with white women had been from 2011 to the time I met my wife.

The height thing is definitely real as I have about 8-9 inches on my wife.

Although I look Aryan, my grandmother is full Japanese and my dad is half Japanese/Hungarian so it didn't seem that weird to me to end up marrying a VN woman. We were both virgins when we met, our parents hit it off right away and we're all practicing Catholics so it was pretty seamless.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
I also cannot underscore how horrible my dating experiences with white women had been from 2011 to the time I met my wife.
That's the real issue. The family reminder thing is real and possible, but very unlikely to occur given all the variation in the society out there, if they actually behaved and were suitable partners (which white women aren't by and large).

The other aspect is that there are just more white men around at this time (let's say in the USA), and you by definition grow up around them if you are an asian woman, and you also notice that they have more desirable traits. What random asian girl is going to get the asian Chad that is .01% of all asian men? Not gonna happen. Because of lesser asian sexual dimorphism (women far more neotonous and men far less masculine than other races), asian women don't mind guys like the above, as much as other women (black and white) would protest to them, unless they had gobs of resources/money. And the latter would only happen when she's well over 30.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Half-asian, half-white “hapa” women are often even more attractive than “stock” asians, but they have to deal with a lifetime of identity issues
This is an oddity to me. Why are HAPAs so bloody weird? Everyone one of them, I meet I always have a good first impression but eventually after getting to know them they end up doing something weird and shifty that makes me question who they really are.

And indeed they are actually good looking yet have so many complexes it blows my mind.

Like they approach the world as a white person but then eventually the scheming scammy Chinaman comes out ruining the relationship.

This is more pronounced in hapa men and women (who are more homely than cute).

It's weird because whites, including myself, see them as "white" or at least culturally white. They see this Asian white hybrid monster and it affects them deeply to the core.

Such a shame.
 

fireshark

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
When it comes to white man/asian woman couples, the most common version I see is something like on this picture: middle aged white man, oftentimes divorced and a happy, good natured but rather hard to look at PhillipinaView attachment 34515.
Obviously I'm not going to dox myself with a picture, but my wife and I are younger, fitter, and far better looking and not the stereotype that you see here.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The other aspect is that there are just more white men around at this time (let's say in the USA), and you by definition grow up around them if you are an asian woman, and you also notice that they have more desirable traits. What random asian girl is going to get the asian Chad that is .01% of all asian men? Not gonna happen. Because of lesser asian sexual dimorphism (women far more neotonous and men far less masculine than other races), asian women don't mind guys like the above, as much as other women (black and white) would protest to them, unless they had gobs of resources/money. And the latter would only happen when she's well over 30.

You don't see other non-white races women in the West date white guys at the same rates that Asian women do so it can't just be a matter of being around mostly white people. Indian American women still overwhelmingly marry Indian American guys for example.

As for for the masculinity thing, the type of white guys that Asian women go after aren't really any more masculine then the typical Asian guys so I don't think that's really the reason that Asian women go after white guys. Does this guy really look more masculine than the average Asian guy?

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What the this white guy does have that places him at an advantage over Asian men are his blue eyes and light complexion as well as his other white features.
 

AwakenedApe

Sparrow
Agnostic
From what I have heard, many asian women in Asia like the white guys’ confidence, their hollywood appeal, that they have a reputation to treat women with respect, their worldliness, their passport, their income etc. My girlfriend got cheated on by her local boyfriend when she was a teen, then she decided to date white guys as she doesn’t trust the local men to stay faithful.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Ape, that's true, but that's an international (or that country's issue). The local men have better women precisely because they don't pay them mind, and yes that includes all sorts of stuff western men were either taught not to do or for whatever reason, wouldn't dream of doing (mostly because other men would do stuff to them here). I'm not putting any value on anything, just telling it how it is.

As for Wutang's comments, they can still be explained. Caucasian features, even if in a subpar man let's say, still are the most desired in the world. It's an objective reality and obvious why, if you are honest and not emotional about it. Indians are like jews in that not only are they mostly leftists, they have arranged marriages, or similar to them (pressures), the most frequently. You see pressure on kids of east asian descent to be great students/professionals/musicians, but the parents either don't care or think also that caucasians are a genetic step up too.

The answer to your last question is yes, which is another comment on east asian men, of course. But he's also with a girl who is average, so I don't see a disparity; yes, he'd never get a white girl who was even a 6, that's true.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
As for Wutang's comments, they can still be explained. Caucasian features, even if in a subpar man let's say, still are the most desired in the world. It's an objective reality and obvious why, if you are honest and not emotional about it.

I agree that Caucasian features are viewed as the most desirable. What I was disputing is that it has something to do with being more masculine looking. Black features are the ones that are the most masculine on average so if masculinity was the biggest deal then it should be blacks who are cleaning it up with Asian women.
The answer to your last question is yes, which is another comment on east asian men, of course.
Will have to disagree here. To me both of the white guys are about as masculine looking as the average Asian guy if not less. I was using them as examples of how it's obvious (at least to me) that having masculine looking features isn't the reason their Asian mates find them to at least be acceptable looks wise - rather it's just having white features in themselves is attractive. The girl is average but I think the guy is below average (I have met the guy irl and he's about 5'4" so shorter than even compared to the average Asian guy) so to me this is a case of him being able to punch higher than his weight class due to him leveraging his white features rather than having anything to do with him being more masculine looking than a typical Asian guy. If he was dating a white woman she would likely be fat and below-average looking.

Blue eyes or light skin isn't inherently masculine in themselves but they do signal high status to most women and I would argue Asian women for whatever reason find these traits to be even more attractive than most other women do.
 
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thetruewhitenorth

Woodpecker
Orthodox
During my younger secular, hedonistic years, I tried awkwardly hitting on some Easter European girls as that was all I knew being EE myself. Cant forget how cold, snobbish and shallow most of those girls I met at different parties were. Like those princesses with frozen hearts from European folks tales.

Then somehow I went to a party where there were a few Hispanic girls. They were all smiling, happy, had that very pleasant vibe about them, they were very alive and they were eager to get to know me. A polar opposite of immigrant Eastern European girls.

That was my dating pool for quite a while until I married one)

Sometimes you gotta find your niche. Maybe its the same with white guys and Asian girls, who knows.
 
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