Why do we hate gays so much??

Zelcorpion said:
I would not accept Jack Donovan at all in the manosphere, simply because he is gay. From what I understood - a huge part of Alt-Right leadership were suddenly masculine gay guys which is really strange.

Even if Donovan speaks the truth on many subjects, he is part of a subculture similar to Milo. And I like Milo more because he is more honest in his bearings. Donovan reeks of government funded psyop frankly.
Sure, you might very well be right. I don't know too much about him but I think wheter or not one would accept him in the manosphere is for another discussion.

Topic here is why men hate gay guys. And the argument was made that it sort of can be related back to our human history and why males that displayed weakness and faggot behaviour weren't an evolutionary advantage for anyone else in a tribe.
 

SlickyBoy

Ostrich
I don't hate them any more than I hate alcoholics, and as with alcoholics I would never accept that their lifestyle is healthy, normal, or should be taught as a valid alternative lifestyle.

At least alcoholics occasionally recognize they have a problem and I've rarely heard one recommend or promote their way of life. Not to mention there isn't an entire subversive messaging and influencing infrastructure running rampant in government, entertainment and education the way there is with the homosexual agenda.
 

Scoundrel

Kingfisher
Dr. Joseph Nicolosi — whose YouTube interviews & lectures on the nature of homosexuality I highly recommend — made an interesting point in one of his talks about why male homosexuality so often evokes a response of disgust and contempt.

Male sexuality always involves an element of conquest. The "top" desires to sexually conquer another man; this strikes us as wrong and perverse. The "bottom" wants to be conquered, which strikes us as sickening; a total inversion of what it means to be a man.

So-called "masculine homosexuals" (a la Jack Donovan) are often seen as much more palatable than fairies and queens, at least on the surface: They retain enough male characteristics to be able to pass for straight men. The effeminate homosexual, on the other hand, is a pitiable being. His deformity is obvious, if not actively broadcast to the world.

I don't hate homosexuals; I feel sorry for them. What I can't stand are the relentless efforts, on the part of both gays and straights, to turn what is clearly a psychological aberration into something the rest of us must accept as normal.
 

Bain

Woodpecker
Most religions written by the brightest scholars of the their times have spent a lot of thought on the matter and wrote about it in their respective religions with great care. All religions seem to say the same thing. When Homosexual values infiltrate and dominate a hetro society -- it leads to its destabilization by breaking up the traditional family unit. At first women get attracted to the homosexual lifestyle bc of the feminity, parties, and colorful life and freedom. They divorce their husbands and take the wealth leaving hetro men broke and rudderless with no purpose or meaning in life. Children get raised in single female households which also confuse them. Hence society eventually begins to deteriate and crumble.

This is pretty well what we see happening now in western feminist societies where LGBT have been accepted and put on a pedestal by mostly women.

The main religions however I do not believe ever said that homosexuality is wrong. They said homosexual values are wrong. Most of the religions accept homosexuals - but not their lifestyle. Homosexuals just like prostitution has and will likely always exist but it has to be kept in check.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
SlickyBoy said:
I don't hate them any more than I hate alcoholics, and as with alcoholics I would never accept that their lifestyle is healthy, normal, or should be taught as a valid alternative lifestyle.

At least alcoholics occasionally recognize they have a problem and I've rarely heard one recommend or promote their way of life. Not to mention there isn't an entire subversive messaging and influencing infrastructure running rampant in government, entertainment and education the way there is with the homosexual agenda.
A perfect encapsulation of the issue.

This is the sort of stuff that makes the forum great.
 

ElFlaco

Kingfisher
Gold Member
A lot of disapproval is rooted in DISGUST, which is probably biological in origin. You think of homosexual sex, and that provokes a reaction like imagining eating rotten meat. But it's not persuasive to say you're opposed to something because it disgusts you (different strokes), so you convince yourself that your opposition stems from intellectual arguments.

That said, gay male culture is clearly toxic both for society and for the individuals involved.

1. Gay marriage is not real marriage. They're usually open relationships, and they're even open about being in open relationships, which is worse. Critics warned that embracing gay marriage would end up having a negative impact on straight marriage, but no one listened. They were right. Of course, marriage is on the edge already, but embracing open marriage is just pushing it off the cliff.

2. A common misconception is that gays want to indoctrinate children so they can sleep with them. The indoctrination part is right, but not mostly for that reason. Gays want to normalize homosexuality in children because it justifies their own condition. Same reason they're doing it to Hollywood. They want to see it everywhere, especially in the next generations.

3. Gays are stuck in adolescence and lack emotional maturity. They're basically girls, right down to their fondness for petty gossip, back stabbing, fashion, pop music; weakness, whining, moral flexibility and so on.

4. Gay socialization into identify politics is why gays have become so dangerous. Gay teenagers learn that being gay means jumping on a whole bandwagon on ideas and behavior.

5. With gays, everything is about sex. The 'gay lifestyle' is real. It's still underground to some extent but it's visible enough to have a normalizing effect at a broader level.

6. I didn't see the transgender stuff coming. It's funny because gays used to be against transgendered. I think this ultimately has the potential to cause even more harm.

I don't think there's an easy way to roll any of this back at a societal level. If I had a gay nephew, I'd teach him to be very careful about who he associates with, and I'd tell him exactly why. Values are contagious.

I know some other normal gay guys but they stay far away from gay culture.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Bain said:
Most religions written by the brightest scholars of the their times have spent a lot of thought on the matter and wrote about it in their respective religions with great care. All religions seem to say the same thing. When Homosexual values infiltrate and dominate a hetro society -- it leads to its destabilization by breaking up the traditional family unit. At first women get attracted to the homosexual lifestyle bc of the feminity, parties, and colorful life and freedom. They divorce their husbands and take the wealth leaving hetro men broke and rudderless with no purpose or meaning in life. Children get raised in single female households which also confuse them. Hence society eventually begins to deteriate and crumble.

This is pretty well what we see happening now in western feminist societies where LGBT have been accepted and put on a pedestal by mostly women.

The main religions however I do not believe ever said that homosexuality is wrong. They said homosexual values are wrong. Most of the religions accept homosexuals - but not their lifestyle. Homosexuals just like prostitution has and will likely always exist but it has to be kept in check.
Leviticus 20:13.
 
I don't think anyone hates gays, hate is a strong word. Hate would be certain countries in MENA where it is punishable by death... But I think people object to it, because it seeps into the culture and then liberal society starts to promote behavior that shouldn't be encouraged--if they're adults and that's part of their nature, it's not my business to tell them what to do in the bedroom. A like of people that lean culturally libertarian like myself believe, i think mistakenly, that it won't impact our lives or "hurt" us. But what we're seeing now is that when you accept it and legalize gay marriage, it does start to impact your life, leading to different government policies, and the government condoning it as normal, which it's not. Media plays a part in it too, and so a lot of millenials think a third of people, this is an actual statistic, are lgbtq. Something like only 3-5 percent of people identify as lgbtq+ or whatever you want to call it. It is not that common at all, and you sure can't call it normal.
 

Matsufubu

Pelican
Ugh, the "it happens in nature so it's natural" argument.

We accept that taking a shit is natural.

Doesn't mean that we need to collectively roll around in it and call ourselves progressive.
 

Elster

Pelican
Gold Member
On the "it happens with other animals" angle:
It would be interesting to bring up verified statistics on what percentage of what specific species do effectively engage in behavior we can clearly define as sexual intercourse within members of the same sex and if they do it in nature or in captivity.
So that would exclude creatures like gastropods and earth worms to give an example.

Furthermore, when analyzing nature, let us remember cost efficiency is the law and a creature that engages on intercourse with members of its same sex is technically an evolutionary dead-end and thus would likely not be able to perpetuate its psychological preferences to the gene-pool. Therefore reducing over time the number of individuals in said gene-pool that would be more likely to engage in such behaviors...

Anyhow, there are biological field people in the forum if I'm not mistaken. Would they care to comment?
 

RatInTheWoods

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Piankhi said:
I could care less if some guy wants a dick in his ass, less competition for striaght men.
This is my position, hardly hate them.

There is evidence they are born that way. No point hating someone for having blue eyes or liking dick up the ass.
 
RatInTheWoods said:
Piankhi said:
I could care less if some guy wants a dick in his ass, less competition for striaght men.
This is my position, hardly hate them.

There is evidence they are born that way. No point hating someone for having blue eyes or liking dick up the ass.
Yeah - probably 50% are born this way, but roughly 100% of straight men are disgusted by the sight of two men kissing:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/gay-men-kissing-disgusts-straight-men-news-at-11/

But it was clear that the physiological reactions in the present study could not be explained by the participants’ sexual prejudices alone.

“What is most important to note is that the responses did not differ as a function of self-reported levels of prejudice or self-reported levels of aggression towards gay men,” Blair explained. “In other words, it was not our highly prejudiced individuals who were experiencing a heightened physiological response to the images of same-sex couples kissing, it was everyone in the sample, even those with very low levels of prejudice.”
Haha, so #LoveWins “tolerant” straight shitlibs (practically an oxymoron) are just as disgusted by PDGay, a feeling which they spend inordinate energy denying to anyone who will listen. Libocrisy is the crisis of our age!
The study shows that even SJWs have an involuntary negative reaction to gays kissing even if they openly applaud and cheer them on.

Hate however - as others noted - that is too strong a word.

And another thing - there is an Amazonian tribe where the people have sex multiple times a day and there are zero % of gays among them. They have no concept of such a behavior, though we certainly have not enough scientific knowledge about it and certainly in our globohomo-times we won't find out jack shit. Gay therapies work on some and there are documented cases, so it cannot be purely physical.

A sane society would have a tolerant but firm viewpoint of gays. You can do whatever you want, but don't expect us to equate your relationships with straight couples and pretend like being raised by two dads or two lesbian man-hating women will be beneficial to children. We should acknowledge that their sexual behavior deviates strongly from heterosexuals and so long as they keep it to themselves, then we live and let live.
 

Paracelsus

Crow
Gold Member
Piankhi said:
I saw a video on youtube about homosexuality in animals and insects. Does that mean that it is natural?
Here we fucking go, naturalistic fallacy all over again. Honest to God, this bullshit about how "it's natural, animals do it, therefore it's okay and we don't have to worry about it" really just does my head in sometimes. There's plenty of behaviour in the animal world that we choose not to do in human society because it damages that society and our psyches. Cuckoo chicks overtake the nests they get into. Spiders are cannibals, they eat their own young. The female praying mantis beheads its partner after it copulates. You would be an absolute muppet to think that these behaviours in humans would be acceptable or excusable on the basis that they're natural, so why does buttfucking get a pass?

On top of that, the "animals are beautiful homosexuals" proposition has a lot of stupid exaggerations and distinctly unscientific thinking attached to it.

This little pearler somehow got through the LGBTWXYZ filters at Wikipedia on the subject: Many of the animals used in laboratory-based studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally. Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory

So if anything it appears to be unnatural.

As said, though, scientists as a group are morons. Particularly Peter Bockman, one of the buttfucking cheer squad who claims to be a scientist but actually allowed this statement to pass his lips:

No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis.

Those of you who understand the intellectually dishonest tactic of "prove a negative!" will understand right away why this was straight spin. Those of you who understand science as being composed of falsifiable propositions tested will likewise see the error here. And the simplest answer is this: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Homosexuality is not a reproductive behaviour, and it's not a productive behaviour either. The societal ills and harm attached to it all but compel one to adopt a via negativa approach to it: don't do it yourself, and don't associate with others who do.
 
< Science in our times has been motivated by agenda.

When you find out that the often cited highly promiscuous Bonobos only behave like that behind bars, then you realize what bullshit those SJW-zoologists have been pushing. Scientists who studied Bonobos in the wild know that those animals are patriarchal, aggressive, territorial and they are fucking only females - also far less than behind bars, because survival takes energy and you cannot spend your time banging around 24/7 like in the human luxury prison.
 
Personally, i don't hate gays. However, there is a certain type of gay that I do hate and that's the flamboyant loud moth ghetto gay. All other types are tolerable and hell some even likable but the flamboyant ones are annoying.

Plus it's the idea of their sex life that is disgusting. I've had multiple gay friends who I never had a problem with. That is until one day one of them posted a snap about sucking d*ck. That gave me a moment of disgust.

On the other hand, maybe it is biological. Growing up i went to a Catholic school, I kept the same class from preschool to 8th grade. in 1st grade, our class was watching power rangers and arguing which one of us was the blue red or black ranger. In the midst of all the arguing, one boy yelled "I wanna be the pink ranger" All of us looked at him in disgust
 

Piankhi

Robin
Being a man is hard. Nothing is handed to you and your entire life is a struggle. Being a woman is a walk in the park minus child labour. I feel that is why some men are drawn to being gay. It is the easy way out.
 

PharaohRa

Kingfisher
Raylan Givens said:
Homosexuality is the most ultimately selfish and hedonistic worldview in existence. Homosexuality is a death cult because it is a sexual act done for it's own sake with no chance of life coming from it. Furthermore, the homosexual movement is a plague upon a society. The rates of STDs, infections, mental health disorders, pedophilia, and suicide attempts bear this out. Individual homosexuals can be okay and have their merits, but as a group they are akin to a horde of diseased rats being let loose on a society.

Homosexual propaganda cannot be tolerated, it has a corrosive effect on humanity. It is dangerous and unhealthy.


This +1000. Homosexual behavior is degenerate, spreads diseases, poisons societies and causes mistrust amongst men. Furthermore, many homosexuals possess elitist behaviors that cause them to hate their own tribe and wish to destroy them for the sole purpose of power. There is a reason why homosexuals were purged from many civilizations and tribes (and why the ancient Indo-Europeans threw them in bogs)!
 
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