Why do you not use Steroids?

Steelex

Kingfisher
I've posted pics here a couple times, but anyway im 6'2 255 at about 13-15% bodyfat.

I use test enanthate because it's very available to me.

5 years ago I was 170.
 

JohnGalt007

Pigeon
I used steroids before and experienced huge gains relative to training without them. After Quitting it was depressing and took almost a year to feel "normal again" and subsequently lost most if not all of my gains. Every man has to make his own decisions. I made the decision to try it and will never do it again. I do not judge those that utilize steroids. I prefer to focus on lean , functional muscle gains with priority to function at organically sustainable levels.

Some things I do I feel effective at increasing gains and Test levels since I have made the decision not to utilize artificial hormones is the following:

1. NO Fap-- There is a thread on this forum on this to do your own research.
2. Krav maga Training -- I think simulating fighting taps into the primitive areas of a man's brain to increase test production. I train at a no bullshit Gym in Estonia with serious russian dudes whom I fully respect.
3.Paleo Diet- Makes me feel like a lion.
4. Quitting Caffeine- I sleep better and more deeply and recover faster which is when muscles grow.
5. Intermittent fasting- Also a thread on this forum to conduct your own research.
 

Kwisatz

Woodpecker
"Steroids" and "I made the decision to try it" are words that carry a lot of ambiguity. Please, be specific. What were your measurable gains, what were you taking, how did you take it, how long did you take it, Hows old were you the, how old were you when you took your last injection or pill, and did you have Post Cycle Therapy?

JohnGalt007 said:
I used steroids before and experienced huge gains relative to training without them. After Quitting it was depressing and took almost a year to feel "normal again" and subsequently lost most if not all of my gains. Every man has to make his own decisions. I made the decision to try it and will never do it again. I do not judge those that utilize steroids. I prefer to focus on lean , functional muscle gains with priority to function at organically sustainable levels.
 

Kwisatz

Woodpecker
Do not buy from anyone that was not referenced by a friend who buys from the person they are recommending. Be sure to ask all your friends for a source, don't be shy. Several of your gym-buddies are taking something and never told you.

You'd be surprised.

When you do buy, get 10-20 ml. No big/bulk orders until you know they are legit. Rich Piana was a verified racist, but he was also a wealth of information about steroids. He did a 5-minute video I recommend.


In other videos, he was open about knowing that he was not using steroids, he was abusing steroids. He also talked about how big his heart was because of all the high doses of substances he used and that he knew for certain he would die early because of it.

germanico said:
Hadnt read from you in a while Kwisatz, great to see you still around here.

To those guys buying under the counter, how are you making sure you are getting the real deal?
 

Kwisatz

Woodpecker
350 is an interesting number to inject. Are you using Propionate, Ethanate, Cypionate, or one of the many unholy blends of Testosterone there are?

Check these out:



sonoran_ said:
I love the direction this thread took. From "don't do steroids" to discussing different methods.

Kwisatz, I'm going on for the first time. I didn't want to do 250 cause that just seems like a high trt dose and I don't want to do a standard 500 cause I'm not sure how I'll react to that high dose.
I've read first timers can get good results at 350 mg mark with easier to manage sides.

Just waiting for ancillaries to come in from India by end of September.
 

sonoran_

Kingfisher
Gold Member
My plan is the following:

Cypionate 2 times a week Sub Q injection for total of 300-350 / week.

Taking dutasteride 5-7 times per week cause Im DHT sensitive.

Anastrozole every 2-3 days

I have HCG so depending on how I feel about shut down Ill use that 2-3 times a week at a low dose.
 

rudebwoy

Peacock
Gold Member
^^I use to enjoy Rich Piana's videos on YouTube.

Dude died of a heart attack and was taking too much gear, plus sniffing blow.

Not a good example to post here.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
rudebwoy said:
^^I use to enjoy Rich Piana's videos on YouTube.

Dude died of a heart attack and was taking too much gear, plus sniffing blow.

Not a good example to post here.

Are you saying that taking roids and sniffing cocaine is a bad combination? I don't know rudebwoy, sounds like bro science to me.
 

Steelex

Kingfisher
Truth be told, rich was more about the drugs than the training.

If you want a better role model for how to gain size without doing that sort of damage to your health, go look into YouTube videos featuring dusty hanshaw or Evan centopani. No they're not drug free but there is more of a focus on diet and training.
 

blck

Pelican
Gold Member
Stop dissing Rich

rudebwoy said:
^^I use to enjoy Rich Piana's videos on YouTube.

Dude died of a heart attack and was taking too much gear, plus sniffing blow.

Not a good example to post here.



You're telling me that he died because of blow and roids, I call Bullshit !!!



It was because of the 5 scoops !
 

Tex

Kingfisher
Gold Member
scotian said:
rudebwoy said:
^^I use to enjoy Rich Piana's videos on YouTube.

Dude died of a heart attack and was taking too much gear, plus sniffing blow.

Not a good example to post here.

Are you saying that taking roids and sniffing cocaine is a bad combination? I don't know rudebwoy, sounds like bro science to me.

Last I checked rubebwoy isn't a cardiologist. Real lifters know that all the guys on gear sniff cocaine because it actually gives your heart a solid workout for maximum gains. I would actually recommend meth myself, though.

The main reason I don't consider doing steroid use is because if you take it far enough you'll be in deep waters with an effective means of getting a heart attack before 30, and it seems to me that the entire point of steroids is to take things far.
 

realologist

Ostrich
Gold Member
Tex said:
scotian said:
rudebwoy said:
^^I use to enjoy Rich Piana's videos on YouTube.

Dude died of a heart attack and was taking too much gear, plus sniffing blow.

Not a good example to post here.

Are you saying that taking roids and sniffing cocaine is a bad combination? I don't know rudebwoy, sounds like bro science to me.

Last I checked rubebwoy isn't a cardiologist. Real lifters know that all the guys on gear sniff cocaine because it actually gives your heart a solid workout for maximum gains. I would actually recommend meth myself, though.

The main reason I don't consider doing steroid use is because if you take it far enough you'll be in deep waters with an effective means of getting a heart attack before 30, and it seems to me that the entire point of steroids is to take things far.

Amateur hour Tex. Can't forget the most important step of taking a hit of heroin in your after work out whey protein shake to give you proper head bobbing rest needed to recover those muscles for MAXIMUM GAAAIINNNSSSS!!!

For a real answer. I'll consider TRT when I get older. Only 27 now and my levels are plenty high. No competitive reasons to hop on them either.
 

rudebwoy

Peacock
Gold Member
scotian said:
rudebwoy said:
^^I use to enjoy Rich Piana's videos on YouTube.

Dude died of a heart attack and was taking too much gear, plus sniffing blow.

Not a good example to post here.

Are you saying that taking roids and sniffing cocaine is a bad combination? I don't know rudebwoy, sounds like bro science to me.

Yeah they go together like peanut butter and jelly on a sandwich.

Roids + Coke + Skanks = one helluva a goodnight, I've heard. :)
 
helmutschmidt31 said:
I have done many steroid cycles. I wish I never had touched the stuff. Reasons not to do steroids

1) The prominent effects, especially from stuff like Trenbolone, are transient. You might look great for a few months, but you can't take these drugs forever.
2) Recovery is much worse than most people admit. A huge number of users resort to running cycles 24/7 because they can't handle the comedown. I have abused steroids in the past, and one particularly difficult recovery was brutal. Seriously messed my life up.
3) Steroids induce mania in most people. Roid rage is an extreme case, but most people will at the very least be irrationally self confident and excessively sexual.
4) There are real, negative health consequences. Simply look at the number of bodybuilders who are dead in their 40s. The biggest issue is high red blood cell counts.
5) It gets real old sticking a needle in your body EOD.
6) Sex is more pleasurable when you're off the stuff.
7) the evidence is clear that steroids cause a significant increase in risk for mental illness. While it is always difficult to prove causation, I will say that I am not the same person I was before I ever started cycling.

My recommendation to anyone looking to cycle is to try running Clomid 25mg ED and Proviron 50mg ED. You will get the self confidence you want, and the clomid will increase your testosterone levels to the maximum level. You'll blow huge loads, and sex will be great.

If you do cycle, I would ignore all bodybuilding websites, with the possible exception of thinksteroids.com. Whatever you do, do not use long estered products. The shit stays in your system for months. Oral steroids are far safer, out of your system quickly, and give better results than most admit.

What's your opinion on running the bottom basic: 500 mg test/2x wk + AI, hCG, PCT etc?
 

Fortis

Crow
Gold Member
Funny, I went back and looked at the photos OP posted and if that guy is running that much shit and only looks like that I'm sort of puzzled.

I won't claim I'm that lean but I've had similar leanness just running LOW dosages of test, Dbol and deca. Masteron is fucking pricy. I'd be mad if I only looked like that on mast.

I've got a friend running a gram of test on a blast and while he looks awesome he doesn't look that much better than when he was on 300mg for his cruise.
 
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