Why is the left going nuts about healthy lifestyle choices?

Zevs

Sparrow
It's humanity. It has nothing to do whether you are right or left, in your thinking, or in your politics, or social views. We are all sinners and we all choose what to do. One thing I have learned, doesn't matter if a man is a devil or a preacher, a righteous man or evil man, young or old, If a woman's cleavage is showing, that man is going to look.
 

Geomann180

Ostrich
Gold Member
The left is a death cult and they want to take you with them.

Each new healthy habit you adopt, each new unhealthy habit you discard, is a nail in their coffin that you plucked from yours. Misery loves company, envy, crabs in a bucket; call it what you want but I say again - the left is a death cult.


^I got the turn of phrase from him.

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Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
I said a month ago that they'll come for the teetotallers next. They'll label sobriety as "far right" or whatever. Others have laid out the reasons why they do this above.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
All of the issues mentioned in this thread are not problems per se, but symptoms of a greater problem. That problem is the dissolution of the American family -- brought to you first by whacked-out '60s leftists and feminists and now by global corporations who co-opted their messages for profit.

1). When men were preoccupied with wives, they rarely had time or energy for porn.

2). When women were married and cooking proper meals for their husbands and kids, they hardly ever got fat.

3). When the majority of adults were busy with spouses and kids, they didn't have time to waste on arcane political issues or "virtue signaling." Their virtues were self-evident in their families.

As the saying goes, it only takes a few drops of cinnamon to taint the taste of a gigantic bowl of Cream Of Wheat. As such, it only took a small percentage of permanently single adults to taint the culture of America.

Even wonder why 1950s TV looks a lot like 1980s TV, with all the game shows and sitcoms? It's because when the large majority of the country was married couples with families, their tastes held sway. Advertisers sold to them and producers catered to them.

Now we have a society on the level of "Sex In The City" or Ariana Grande's "Seven Rings" and the entertainment industry focues on that. Since men, by nature, aren't big TV watchers except for sports, they cornered the video and porn markets.

So, instead of blaming the fat lards and porn addicts, it would be better to look at the root cause of why they're that way. You can find it in our businesses, our entertainment, our schools, our colleges, and even in our houses of worship (hat tip to Dalrock). Sorry, but I don't have an answer as to what could change things.
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
Many good points.

On this:

LEMONed IScream said:
They do not have kids. There is a great divide between the worldview and preocupations of those who do and those who don't.

It's another way of giving meaning to their barren life, which will end their story in the genetic ocean of existence.

Of course, it will fail. Just like pets as a substitute for children.
I noted that everyone I know went through some sort of crisis, starting at around 29. The crisis was the direction of their life. It was the crossing from childhood to adulthood. Others seemed blissfully unphased, but as the years rolled by the ones that put off grapling with this were hit much harder; and all dosed themselves up with drugs to haze it off, but eventually it bites and they felt they were too old to deal with it. Particularly as they saw others accelerating away from them.

As it is true that women hit the wall at 30, so it is true for men, if they don't orientate themselves financially, mentally and have goals by the time you are about thirty.

I'm watching as those who did not choose responsibility in this time crust out dramatically. And there is nothing I can do to change it for them.

One friend who has all the right ideas is now having a child and want to pump out as many as his wife can manage. The wife's idiot childhood friends are now distancing themselves from her, criticising her; and she is doing the same conversely and gravitating towards new friends (mothers) and friends who would like to be mothers.

There is a great separation between those who are trying to be better, trying to build something and trying to leave something behind; and those who are rolling down hill, grasping for control of society hoping that being an ugly, useless blob will come into vogue.

This sums it up well:

 

kel

Pelican
gework said:
I noted that everyone I know went through some sort of crisis, starting at around 29. The crisis was the direction of their life. It was the crossing from childhood to adulthood.

...

As it is true that women hit the wall at 30, so it is true for men, if they don't orientate themselves financially, mentally and have goals by the time you are about thirty.

I'm watching as those who did not choose responsibility in this time crust out dramatically. And there is nothing I can do to change it for them.
Our generation (millennials, but it's true of gen x and zoomers, too) was sold infantile regression, quite literally. The "I don't want to grow up" thing was very explicitly pushed, the idea that becoming an adult was losing out on fun, becoming a square with responsibilities. People should hold on to a bit of their childhood, that spirit of wonder and optimism, but people my age are (wo)manchildren for a large extent, focusing their attention on cartoons and toys and superheros and just kind of sleepwalking through life.
 

placer

Kingfisher
Lace em up said:
Lefties are not critical thinkers. Everything is a knee jerk reaction for them. Everything is about what is easiest for them.
Teedub said:
I said a month ago that they'll come for the teetotallers next. They'll label sobriety as "far right" or whatever. Others have laid out the reasons why they do this above.
The leftists came for Alcoholics Anonymous back in the mid-2010s. As is typical of left-wing thinking, a number of articles got publishes across the left-wing press about how Alcoholics Anonymous is ineffective and doesn’t help anyone get sober. They even claimed AA has a 5% success rate.

The numbers the leftist media came up with are pure BS.

AA actually has a 67% long term success rate for people who actually get their butt to a meeting once a week or more (other studies show similar or better numbers, e.g. Fiorentine 1999 shows a 75% success rate). We know this is because AA itself helps keep alcoholics sober and is not “self selection” as claimed by the critics.

I should explain the what this “self selection” stuff is. A whole bunch of studies have come out showing that, of the people who get their butt to a meeting regularly, they usually get sober. So the critics say “Well, correlation does not mean causation, and those same people would had gotten better anyway even if AA did not exist”. So, finally, in 2014 they released a study using complicated statistical modelling which shows that, in fact, those people are doing better because they were going to AA.

Point being, a program with an 85-year proven record of helping people with drinking problems get on their feet again by letting go of their atheism and letting God in to their lives has been attacked by the leftist media which doesn’t want people to improve themselves.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
kel said:
gework said:
I noted that everyone I know went through some sort of crisis, starting at around 29. The crisis was the direction of their life. It was the crossing from childhood to adulthood.

...

As it is true that women hit the wall at 30, so it is true for men, if they don't orientate themselves financially, mentally and have goals by the time you are about thirty.

I'm watching as those who did not choose responsibility in this time crust out dramatically. And there is nothing I can do to change it for them.
Our generation (millennials, but it's true of gen x and zoomers, too) was sold infantile regression, quite literally. The "I don't want to grow up" thing was very explicitly pushed, the idea that becoming an adult was losing out on fun, becoming a square with responsibilities. People should hold on to a bit of their childhood, that spirit of wonder and optimism, but people my age are (wo)manchildren for a large extent, focusing their attention on cartoons and toys and superheros and just kind of sleepwalking through life.
This actually started in the 80's, believe it or not. I remember living in Ground Zero Berkeley and seeing a bunch of people in their early twenties already nostalgic for their childhoods and wearing clothes and watching shows to reflect this new attitude. And, of course, there were stores popping up that catered directly to this new attitude that sold candy they used to eat when they were kids, shirts with favorite cartoons on them and the like. People started carrying around the lunch boxes they used to have in grammar school. True, this was only a small segment of the population, only, it had to start somewhere.

At the time, nostalgia for youth was considered only appropriate for senior citizens and this new hopelessness for adulthood, and regression to eating pixie sticks and pop rocks, was extremely alien to those of us who had just graduated from college and were looking forward to adulthood.

In the early nineties I first heard what would become more common later, an 18 year old talking of feeling like an old lady with all the high schoolers she saw running around.

Struck me as odd at the time, and now, it is hard not to think creating a demoralized generation or two might not be a top down strategy for controlling people. It has only intensified since, and I find it hard to blame the individuals or their generations.

Probably more likely a social engineering experiment to create atomization and lack of hope. Who is easier to control than a person who feels like a failure before they have even tried?
 

Easy_C

Crow
At the individual level I’ve noticed for them it’s always boiled down to, to borrow a quote from a movie, that “Being Vegan just makes you better than people”.

It’s just narcissism.
 

Monty_Brogan

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I think everyone is over thinking this. It is tough work for a man to sculpt a body and get the classic American Action Hero Body. Very tough work. At least 6 days a week of heavy lifting with probably three of those days having some intense cardio.

And then we factor in the White Male angle.... and nobody wants to see a white man better himself and get away from the ((())) degenerate bullshit.

The left is overweight, skinny, or just plan mediocre. So of course you don’t want to see your “enemies,” the right better themselves.
 

Repo

Hummingbird
Im still confused if this post is from an alternate reality where all of the states leading in obesity arent red?

**edit** I see OP lives in UK, maybe things are different there
 

Abelard Lindsey

Woodpecker
You guys must live around some very strange people.

I live a clean, healthy life style in that I work out regularly in the gym (both body building and aerobic), eat well and do not overeat, moderate social drinker (e,g, two rum/cokes on Friday night, 1-2 beers on Saturday, none during the week) and certainly do not use any illegal substances at all. I have never, ever encountered any flak over my life style choices. If anything, people respect my life style choices for these reasons.

BTW, I live in the liberal-lefty paradise of Portland, Oregon (actually the Vancouver side, which is more conservative).
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
A friend who is a teacher says a number of parents, all lefty idiots, are now letting their child raise themselves. In that they think the child has innate wisdom that should not be smothered by the structural oppression of their inherited culture.

So rather than the child inheriting 1,000s of years of the fruits of trial and error, they construct their own reality.

Result? Unbearable narcissism.

This general trend can be found in naming custom. In more primitive societies would pour meaning into their children with their name. They wanted to imbibe in them a nature they knew would help them in the harsh world. As societies developed this shifted to naming children for venerated people: leaders, saints, Biblical figures.

It took 100s of years for names to come in and out of fashion if at all. Now names come in and out of fashion with each generation. Few want to name children with the names of their elders. They don't want to give them the names of leaders, friends etc. They want to give them a name that will make them an individual, a blank slate that will write it's own story.

This is why I am averse to boomer-shaming.

Kel posted an article on Bio-Leninism.

One of the key points is that the left is sucking up the untalented and incompetent into their hierarchy because they are inherently low status and will owe everything to the corrupt left-wing system. Thus ensuring loyalty.
 

Monty_Brogan

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I think everyone is over thinking this. It is tough work for a man to sculpt a body and get the classic American Action Hero Body. Very tough work. At least 6 days a week of heavy lifting with probably three of those days having some intense cardio.

And then we factor in the White Male angle.... and nobody wants to see a white man better himself and get away from the ((())) degenerate bullshit.

The left is overweight, skinny, or just plan mediocre. So of course you don’t want to see your “enemies,” the right better themselves.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
gework said:
A friend who is a teacher says a number of parents, all lefty idiots, are now letting their child raise themselves. In that they think the child has innate wisdom that should not be smothered by the structural oppression of their inherited culture.
I saw Demi Moore on a talk show once when she was a new mother, and the interviewer asked her when she was going to stop breastfeeding her baby. She said that she was going to let the baby decide that.

As if one day the baby would say, "Forget this, I wanna steak."
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
Days of Broken Arrows said:
All of the issues mentioned in this thread are not problems per se, but symptoms of a greater problem. That problem is the dissolution of the American family -- brought to you first by whacked-out '60s leftists and feminists and now by global corporations who co-opted their messages for profit.
You're right that idleness is a big problem, but I just can't fully or mostly blame societal factors. The human heart is an idol factory and men are led by their passions, and the internet and all the conveniences of modern society have simply made it easy to gratify them... and there are a lot of men gaining money and power from that. There's a famous if unattributed story that an English paper once requested reader submissions of what is wrong with the world. GK Chesterton's responded with this letter: "Dear Sirs, I am."
 

Abelard Lindsey

Woodpecker
debeguiled said:
kel said:
gework said:
I noted that everyone I know went through some sort of crisis, starting at around 29. The crisis was the direction of their life. It was the crossing from childhood to adulthood.

...

As it is true that women hit the wall at 30, so it is true for men, if they don't orientate themselves financially, mentally and have goals by the time you are about thirty.

I'm watching as those who did not choose responsibility in this time crust out dramatically. And there is nothing I can do to change it for them.
Our generation (millennials, but it's true of gen x and zoomers, too) was sold infantile regression, quite literally. The "I don't want to grow up" thing was very explicitly pushed, the idea that becoming an adult was losing out on fun, becoming a square with responsibilities. People should hold on to a bit of their childhood, that spirit of wonder and optimism, but people my age are (wo)manchildren for a large extent, focusing their attention on cartoons and toys and superheros and just kind of sleepwalking through life.
This actually started in the 80's, believe it or not. I remember living in Ground Zero Berkeley and seeing a bunch of people in their early twenties already nostalgic for their childhoods and wearing clothes and watching shows to reflect this new attitude. And, of course, there were stores popping up that catered directly to this new attitude that sold candy they used to eat when they were kids, shirts with favorite cartoons on them and the like. People started carrying around the lunch boxes they used to have in grammar school. True, this was only a small segment of the population, only, it had to start somewhere.

At the time, nostalgia for youth was considered only appropriate for senior citizens and this new hopelessness for adulthood, and regression to eating pixie sticks and pop rocks, was extremely alien to those of us who had just graduated from college and were looking forward to adulthood.

In the early nineties I first heard what would become more common later, an 18 year old talking of feeling like an old lady with all the high schoolers she saw running around.

Struck me as odd at the time, and now, it is hard not to think creating a demoralized generation or two might not be a top down strategy for controlling people. It has only intensified since, and I find it hard to blame the individuals or their generations.

Probably more likely a social engineering experiment to create atomization and lack of hope. Who is easier to control than a person who feels like a failure before they have even tried?
I know what you guys are talking about here. But I have never understood this mentality of idolizing childhood. Adulthood has been FAR more fulfilling to me than childhood ever was. You assume responsibility for yourself as an adult. But what you need to realize is that self-responsibility is really self-empowerment. You can go out into the world and create your own life and your own future. You certainly cannot do this as a kid.
 

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
gework said:
By healthy lifestyle choices I mean: quitting drugs, smoking, alcohol; quitting porn/no fap; working out; going to church; meditation and so on.
The fat acceptance movement, which is really morbid-obesity acceptance movement, is a crabs in the bucket/misery loves company/envy movement.

It's very human to feel a sting of frustration when they see others with a problem you have get better, especially if you are not very close or love the person. It can feel painful. The trick is to not listen to that feeling, and use your conscience to feel happy for the person, or at the very least indifferent.

Far-left morbid-obesity acceptance people are creating an academic movement based on that initial primal feeling of envy.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
kel said:
MichaelWitcoff said:
I’m surprised anyone on this forum even interacts with leftists anymore. What’s the point?
Depending on where you live and what you do, it's pretty much impossible to avoid them. Until I can get out of the city I'm fucking surrounded. I can break through their shells from time to time, and of course there's a good chance that a decent percentage of people I interact with are hiding their power levels like I am, but in financial metropolises if you're in a group of more than three people deviating from approvedthink is a risky proposition. I try to see the best in individuals and find common ground where I can, but the group dynamic is very very strong.
I find it difficult. Fact is, the majority of people (well meaning, nice, normal, regular people, not overly passionate about politics) do have a fair amount of brainwashing, or at least are scared to go outside approvedthink and will softly argue for it.

Even just sitting around the TV watching sports you'll have 1 in 3 advertisements pushing some aspect of the inverted agenda and it gets really hard to bite your tongue. You either have to learn to tread very gently and respectfully, or keep your mouth shut.

The alternative to that is being 'that guy', not getting invited to the BBQs anymore and finding yourself some new friends (although you might build an echo chamber yourself which isn't good either). The hard part is to find people that can discuss these topics like an adult without throwing a tantrum.
 

PharaohRa

Kingfisher
I view the Left as modern day aristocrats. Hell, many of them are descended from aristocrats. Their motto is as follows:

All for me and none for thee!

The Left wants everyone else to live in Hell for their sins because they cannot bear to pay for them. They are just as bad as the (((usual suspects))) and are their partners in crime. If it were not for the Left, we would not have (((them))) pestering Western Civilization. Look how the Left and (((them))) act when attacking their right-wing rivals!
 
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